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Trump calls for death penalty for Uzbek man charged in New York attack

By Gina Cherelus and Barbara Goldberg

 

U.S. President Donald Trump stands during a joint statement with Singapore’s Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong at the White House in Washington, DC, U.S. October 23, 2017. REUTERS/Joshua Roberts/Files

 

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump called for the death penalty on Wednesday for an Uzbek immigrant accused of plowing a truck down a New York City bike path, killing eight people, describing the man as a "terrorist."

 

Sayfullo Saipov, 29, who was hospitalized after he was shot by a police officer and arrested, told investigators he had been inspired by watching Islamic State videos and began planning Tuesday's attack a year ago, according to a criminal complaint filed against him on Wednesday.

 

"NYC terrorist was happy as he asked to hang ISIS flag in his hospital room. He killed 8 people, badly injured 12. SHOULD GET DEATH PENALTY!" Trump tweeted.

 

Saipov was charged with one count of providing material support and resources to a foreign terrorist organization, specifically Islamic State, and one count of violence and destruction of motor vehicles causing the deaths of eight people.

 

Manhattan acting U.S. Attorney Joon Kim said the first count carries a maximum penalty of life in prison, while the second would make Saipov eligible for capital punishment if convicted, if the government chose to seek the death penalty. Additional or different charges could be brought later in an indictment, Kim said.

 

Vehicle assaults similar to the New York attack took place in Spain in August and in France and Germany last year, claiming dozens of lives.

 

Saipov confessed to authorities that he made a trial run with a rental truck on Oct. 22 to practice turning the vehicle and "stated that he felt good about what he had done" after the attack, the complaint said.

 

The 10-page charging document said Saipov waived his rights to remain silent and avoid self-incrimination in agreeing to speak to investigators without an attorney present from his bed at Bellevue Hospital Center in Manhattan.

 

The complaint said Saipov had requested permission to display the flag of the Islamic State militant group in his hospital room.

 

It said he was particularly motivated by seeing a video in which Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who led the campaign by Islamic State - also known as ISIS - to seize territory for a self-proclaimed caliphate within Iraq and Syria, exhorted Muslims in the United States and elsewhere to support the group's cause.

 

Investigators found thousands of ISIS-related propaganda images and videos on a cellphone belonging to Saipov, including video clips showing ISIS prisoners being beheaded, run over by a tank and shot in the face, the complaint said.

 

The Federal Bureau of Investigation said it had located another Uzbek man, Mukhammadzoir Kadirov, 32, wanted for questioning as a person of interest in the attack.

 

U.S. law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing, told Reuters that Saipov had been in contact with Kadirov and another person of interest in the investigation, though they did not elaborate.

 

ASSAULT DEADLIEST SINCE SEPT. 11, 2001

 

Tuesday's assault was the deadliest in New York City since Sept. 11, 2001, when suicide hijackers crashed two jetliners into the World Trade Center, killing more than 2,600 people.

 

Of those killed, five were Argentine tourists, who were among a group of friends visiting New York to celebrate the 30th anniversary of their high school graduation, one was a Belgian citizen, one was a New York resident and one lived in New Jersey.

 

Saipov allegedly used a pickup truck rented from a New Jersey Home Depot store to run down pedestrians and cyclists along a 20-block stretch of the bike path that runs along the Hudson River before slamming into a school bus.

 

According to authorities, he then exited his vehicle shouting "Allahu Akbar" - Arabic for "God is greatest" - and brandishing what turned out to be a paint-ball gun and a pellet gun before a police officer shot him in the abdomen.

 

Saipov lived in Paterson, New Jersey, a one-time industrial hub about 25 miles (40 km) northwest of lower Manhattan.

 

Saipov, seated in a wheelchair, appeared for a brief hearing in Manhattan federal court Wednesday evening before Magistrate Judge Barbara Moses, appointed public defense attorney David Patton to represent him.

 

Saipov did not ask for bail and was remanded to federal custody. It was not immediately clear where he would be held.

 

Earlier in the day, Trump said he would be open to transferring Saipov to the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where other suspects including alleged Sept. 11 plotters are held.

 

Kim, the federal prosecutor, said there was nothing about charging Saipov in civilian court that would necessarily prevent him from later being declared an enemy combatant.

 

(Additional reporting by Jonathan Allen, Melissa Fares and Devika Kumar in New York, Joseph Ax in Paterson, New Jersey, Mark Hosenball and Tim Ahmann in Washington and Brendan O'Brien in Milwaukee; Editing by Nick Macfie)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-11-02

[ilostmypassword]

LIke all modern Presidents before him, Donald Trump understands the importance of not issuing inflammatory statements in order to avoid giving the suspect grounds for an appeal if convicted.

[nausea]

So in the US you can download "thousands of ISIS-related propaganda images and videos" and it doesn't ring any bells anywhere; oh my, where's Big Brother when you need him.

[lust]

I love Trump. He’s the leader the US needs. Hollywood, cnn, and a large majority of liberals are just too stupid to realize it. =)

[InMyShadow]

And for 25 years at God knows what expense, he will be fatter from free food and get books and TV and eventually be put to sleep. No doubt with one more definite alua akbar. 

[riclag]

These Islamic terrorist should all be publicly humiliated  and tortured unmercifully  to show other's we will not tolerate Martyrs using a 72 Virgins "jihad" ideology.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, lust said:

I love Trump. He’s the leader the US needs. Hollywood, cnn, and a large majority of liberals are just too stupid to realize it. =)

 Right on ! Trump screamed bloody hell about this latest act of Islamic  terrorism .He voiced what most people feel after

these despicable act's.

Edited November 2, 2017 by riclag

[ilostmypassword]

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

 Right on ! Trump screamed bloody hell about this latest act of terrorism .He voiced what most people feel after

these despicable act's.

And of course, that's his primary duty as President, inciter for the angry mob. For the chief executive of the federal govt. to contaminate the legal process is actually a good thing.

[dunroaming]

1 hour ago, lust said:

I love Trump. He’s the leader the US needs. Hollywood, cnn, and a large majority of liberals are just too stupid to realize it. =)

You see this is why Trump is so blatantly stupid.  To call upon the death sentence for someone looking for martyrdom. Duh!  That is exactly what he wants Donald and you would hand it to him on a plate.

 

"The leader the US needs?"  It would be laughable if it were not so tragic!

[dunroaming]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

How popular would Martydom be if western countries publicly  dismembered the entire families of these terrorist?

Can't see the connection.  Westerners are all infidels and the scourge of the earth according to the terrorists so if westerners acted in the same way as they do they would probably be fine about it.  They are the one's who become martyrs (in their eyes).

 

But back on topic.... By Trump tweeting the comments about the death sentence for Saipov he actually jeopardises the case against him if the defence argues that it means he cannot get a fair trial.  Trump sets new depths of stupidity almost daily.

[riclag]

13 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Can't see the connection.  Westerners are all infidels and the scourge of the earth according to the terrorists so if westerners acted in the same way as they do they would probably be fine about it.  They are the one's who become martyrs (in their eyes).

 

But back on topic.... By Trump tweeting the comments about the death sentence for Saipov he actually jeopardises the case against him if the defence argues that it means he cannot get a fair trial.  Trump sets new depths of stupidity almost daily.

There are millions of people who share the same feelings as Mr. Trump ,don't you think? He Tweet's to get his message out.Besides the defense can't argue .The excrement already admitted to the crime.

 

Edited November 2, 2017 by riclag

[dunroaming]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

There are millions of people who share the same feelings as Mr. Trump ,don't you think?

Not sure how many people are that stupid.  I do agree that there are millions out there that respond in a knee-jerk way and speak (or tweet) before engaging their brain.  Extremely worrying when that includes the president of the USA.

[Andaman Al]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

There are millions of people who share the same feelings as Mr. Trump ,don't you think?Besides the defense can't argue .The excrement already admitted to the crime.

 

It seems lawyers and legal experts in the USA disagree with you. It is a fact that in a civilised and law abiding society everyone must be given the right to a fair trial and fair treatment as part of the judicial process, regardless of how heinous someones crimes are. Trump has jeopardised that process because he does not have the maturity or intellect to keep his mouth shut and let the legal process take it's course.

[quadperfect]

Fair trial. Death penalty. This guy will still be alive long after north korea has fallen and trump has finished his second term. 

 

[riclag]

13 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Not sure how many people are that stupid.  I do agree that there are millions out there that respond in a knee-jerk way and speak (or tweet) before engaging their brain.  Extremely worrying when that includes the president of the USA.

How else would he get his message out?The President is human and speaks his mind. Most of the time it's a effective way of communicating. Fortunately there are millions who really don't care how he get's his message communicated. He wasn't elected because of his lack of politically correct prose .

Edited November 2, 2017 by riclag

[dunroaming]

10 minutes ago, quadperfect said:

Fair trial. Death penalty. This guy will still be alive long after north korea has fallen and trump has finished his second term. 

 

I would stick that in your diary and re-visit it again this time next year.  I suspect at that point you may need some tippex to remove your embarrassment. 

[Thaidream]

It has nothing to do with being politically correct. What separates the US from the radical Islam world is an adherence to a fair and unbiased trial. Donald Trump as President of the US should have kept his mouth quiet and let the courts decide the disposition.  In America- everyone gets a jury trial but an unbiased jury is needed. Trump has given the defense ammunition to delay prosecution and possibly jeopardize the case. Declaring the perpetrator an enemy combatant is absurd and sending him to Guantanamo a violation of everything America stands for. Guantanamo is an abomination that will go down in History as a concentration camp. You cannot hold people indefinitely without charges and a trial.

[Andaman Al]

20 minutes ago, quadperfect said:

Fair trial. Death penalty. This guy will still be alive long after north korea has fallen and trump has finished his second term. 

 

I wondered when we would all have to return to La La land.

[riclag]

20 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

It has nothing to do with being politically correct. What separates the US from the radical Islam world is an adherence to a fair and unbiased trial. Donald Trump as President of the US should have kept his mouth quiet and let the courts decide the disposition.  In America- everyone gets a jury trial but an unbiased jury is needed. Trump has given the defense ammunition to delay prosecution and possibly jeopardize the case. Declaring the perpetrator an enemy combatant is absurd and sending him to Guantanamo a violation of everything America stands for. Guantanamo is an abomination that will go down in History as a concentration camp. You cannot hold people indefinitely without charges and a trial.

The guy already admitted to the crime.The defense doesn't exist it's just a formality now.Mr. Trump didn't say enough

Edited November 2, 2017 by riclag

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.  

[quandow]

12 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

Like all modern Presidents before him, Donald Trump understands the importance of not issuing inflammatory statements in order to avoid giving the suspect grounds for an appeal if convicted.

You took the damn words right outta my mouth and wrote it even more eloquently!

[IAMHERE]

Reverse Psychology by POTUS; the real goal is to see this terrorist behind bars for the rest of his life. Clever , that Donald.

Edited November 2, 2017 by IAMHERE
spellilng

[ballpoint]

Yes.  Torture the guy, maybe let people throw rocks at him before beheading him.  And then fly a cruise missile into a building back in his home country to teach them all a lesson?  And why not start cutting the hands off of any immigrant caught stealing?  And publicly shaming and beating any woman who dares to associate with a Muslim man?  Well done.  I never thought that so many Trump fans would be supporters of Sharia law.  Seems that radical Islam and radical Trumpism aren't that far apart after all.

[transam]

Chuck the shit in a pig sty....Much better than a quick exit in this case...

[beechguy]

15 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

Yes.  Torture the guy, maybe let people throw rocks at him before beheading him.  And then fly a cruise missile into a building back in his home country to teach them all a lesson?  And why not start cutting the hands off of any immigrant caught stealing?  And publicly shaming and beating any woman who dares to associate with a Muslim man?  Well done.  I never thought that so many Trump fans would be supporters of Sharia law.  Seems that radical Islam and radical Trumpism aren't that far apart after all.

I would just go with a double tap, and be done with it.

[attrayant]

 

12 hours ago, riclag said:

The guy already admitted to the crime.The defense doesn't exist it's just a formality now.Mr. Trump didn't say enough

 

If this guy can't get a fair trial and therefore doesn't get the death penalty, you'll have Trump to thank for that.  Here's what two federal prosecutors had to say about Trump's latest case of verbal incontinence:

 

 

Once again, clueless Trump proves he has no idea how the system works.

[boomerangutang]

Death penalty cases cost an average of $1.26 million. A regular prisoner costs about $60k/year.  Maintaining a death row prisoner costs taxpayers $150,000/year.

 

Proposed solution: If he's found guilty in court, send him to someplace like Somalia, where they will gladly kill him for $3,000.  Bullet to the head. Pow!  He's gone. 

 

Trump is beyond imbicilic for publicly calling the buttplug guilty.  That guarantees him a many-years' long appeal process or possibly life in prison.  If he lives decades in prison, that's many millions of $$'s.   If it's at Gitmo, it will be several times more.   The US does one thing very well:  spends insanely more for things than it should/could.  

 

[attrayant]

You know what's even worse?  Days after the Charlottesville attack where a white nationalist drove his car into a crowd of counter-protestors, Trump hesitated for two days before saying anything:

 

Quote

It is a very, very important process to me. It is a very important statement. So I don’t want to go quickly and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. I want to know the facts.

 

Yet just hours after the similar attack in Barcelona, and now this one in NYC, we all heard about it via Twitter.

 

Man drives his vehicle into a crowd in Barcelona.  Trump: RADICAL ISLAMIC TERROR!

Man drives truck onto New York City bike path.  Trump: DEATH PENALTY!

Man drives his vehicle into anti-Nazi protesters.  Trump: Now just hold on, let's wait for all the facts to come in.

[Get Real]

For god sake! When is this man going to realize that he is the president. Not a twitter fan that is going to engage privately and personally in a single matter.
Leave it up to the courts to decide, as usual. Again he shows what a moron he is.
Death penalty or life in jail without parole is not the question here- The question is when people are going to see Trump´s poor knowledge about the position he has been given by the voters.

Edited November 3, 2017 by Get Real

[attrayant]

37 minutes ago, Get Real said:

The question is when people are going to see Trump´s poor knowledge about the position he has been given by the voters.

 

Sixty-two percent see it.  Thirty-three percent see it but don't care because he's on their team.  They don't care if the country is on fire as long as their guy is holding the biggest blowtorch.  We have some of those partisan cheerleaders right here with us.

 

Gallup Poll: Trump hits all-time low in job approval

 

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President Trump's job approval rating has dropped to a new low, according to the most recent Gallup tracking poll. Just 33 percent of respondents in the Gallup daily survey approve of the job Trump is doing as president.

 

Statistically, there is a good chance for his approval rating to recover.  There's more room for it to go up rather than down.  Surely at some point I thought, simply by sheer chance, Trump has GOT to do something the public likes.  Or at the very least, stop doing so many things that the public dislikes.

 

But I also thought this back when it was 42%, then 38% and a few days ago 35%.

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2017 by attrayant