Weapons find ‘no reason to delay poll’

[rooster59]

Weapons find ‘no reason to delay poll’

By JAKRAWAN SALAYTOO, 
JITRAPORN SENWONG 
THE SUNDAY NATION

 

 

POLITICIANS SAY SUCH A MOVE WOULD POINT TO JUNTA’S FAILURE TO MAINTAIN LAW AND ORDER

 

POLITICIANS have urged the junta not to use the recent discoveries of arms cache in Chachoengsao province as an excuse to delay the election, as this would only demonstrate the regime’s failure to keep peace and order in the country.

 

The politicians were responding to Deputy Prime Minister General Prawit Wongsuwan’s latest warning about not lifting the ban on political activities because of certain occurrences threatening national security, including the recent discovery of two caches of active military weapons.

 

Wirat Kalayasiri, the chief of the Democrat Party’s legal team, said the government should thoroughly investigate whether there was a genuine movement posing a risk to national security, as the junta has claimed.

 

He said the junta has ruled the country for more than three years and has held power through laws, weapons and troops, so it should not use this reason to delay the election. Investigating the source of the weapons was more important than using it as excuse to delay the election, he added.

 

Creating doubts

“When Prime Minister Prayut [Chan-o-cha] announced election will be held in November next year, shares in the stock market rose. But if the government declares a delay in the election, I’m concerned that it will make the current economic situation worse,” Wirat added.

 

Former Democrat MP for Ubon Ratchathani, Supachai Srila, said the excuse of using the anti-junta movement or the discovery of weapons as reasons to not relax the ban on political activities or to delay the election could point to a failure of the powers-that-be in ruling the country.

 

“There are two sides to the coin,” Supachai said. “The excuses you [the junta] make could be interpreted as your failure to solve the same old problems – or it is just an excuse to prolong your period in power?”

 

Supachai said Prawit should be careful not to create doubts in society about the junta’s intentions, adding that the deputy prime minister “should work rather than speak” regarding the discovery of the weapons in Chachoengsao.

 

Prawit had said the weapons were purportedly stored in preparation for an attack in the capital.

 

On Wednesday, deputy national police chief Pol General Srivara Ransibhramanakul held a press conference to announce the discovery of the first cache, which included 30 RGD-5 grenades, 2 M79 grenades, 7 pipe bombs, three bars of C4 explosive, two AK-47 assault rifles, some ammunition and bomb fuses.

 

On Friday, police found 50 more M79 grenades and one RPG (rocket-propelled grenade) in a paddy field opposite the swamp where the first cache was found in Chachoengsao’s Bang Nam Priao district, an official said. The second cache was found after the authorities widened their search of rice fields in the area.

 

Srivara linked the weapon cache to an extremist political group led by prominent red shirt Wuttipong “Ko Tee” Kottham-makhun.

 

Tracing the explosives

 

He said serial numbers on the RGD 5 explosives found are believed to be similar to those on weapons allegedly found at the site of a 2014 red-shirt rally in Muang Nonthaburi and in search on March 18 of Wuttipong’s business offices in Pathum Thani.

 

Srivara said on Friday that police had learned who owned the first cache of arms and were seeking arrest warrants. He said he expected those to be approved next week.

 

Police are checking the serial numbers of the grenades found in the second cache to try to establish their links to the owners, Srivara said.

 

Meanwhile, the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) spokesman, Maj-General Piyapong Klinpan, said the discovery of the weapons had prevented people with ill intentions from harming others.

 

He said the NCPO was still following the law, and the road map to the election, but the situation at hand must also be considered before any relaxation of the political ban.

 

The junta banned political gatherings of five or more people shortly after its 2014 coup, resulting in all politics-related activities, including party meetings, being prohibited.

 

He said three things had to be determined before the ban could be lifted: the law, the situation regarding peace and “other” circumstances. The spokesman declined to specify what “other” meant.

 

Piyapong insisted that the junta was still following the road map despite the NCPO’s refusal to revoke the political ban even after the promulgation of the organic law on political parties.

 

He said the NCPO understood that politicians had to make calls for a relaxation of the ban, as that was their role. However, the NCPO was asking for cooperation.

 

“I want to assure you that everything is in line with the law and the road map. But the current situation also needs to be taken into consideration,” the NCPO spokesman said. “We have to look at the situation and then see what the priority is.”

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30333054

 

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2017-12-03

[Ossy]

2 hours ago, rooster59 said:

He said the NCPO was still following the law, and the road map to the election, but the situation at hand must also be considered before any relaxation of the political ban.

These cretins think and talk like they're still in the dark ages and what makes their pantomime even more laughable is the way they assume everyone else is as thick as they are. Once they agree to lift those poli-restrictions, they're in for a very steep learning curve regarding how normal people, with normal ethics and dignity and respect set about the task of restoring Thailand's national identity and pride.

Edited December 3, 2017 by Ossy
spelling

[stephen tracy]

The torrent of male cow defecation never stops. 

[Chris Lawrence]

According to some sources, the wild haggis's left and right legs are of different lengths. It is further claimed that there are two varieties of haggis, one with longer left legs and the other with longer right legs. The former variety can run clockwise around a mountain (as seen from above) while the latter can run anticlockwise.^[5] The two varieties coexist peacefully but are unable to interbreed in the wild because in order for the male of one variety to mate with a female of the other, he must turn to face in the same direction as his intended mate, causing him to lose his balance before he can mount her. As a result of this difficulty, differences in leg length among the haggis population are accentuated.

 

The current Government reminds me of the Haggis. Scared to mount the stage for election, just in case it falls off the country's wish list as a preferred Government.

 

[Ossy]

21 minutes ago, Chris Lawrence said:

According to some sources, the wild haggis's left and right legs are of different lengths. It is further claimed that there are two varieties of haggis, one with longer left legs and the other with longer right legs. The former variety can run clockwise around a mountain (as seen from above) while the latter can run anticlockwise.^[5] The two varieties coexist peacefully but are unable to interbreed in the wild because in order for the male of one variety to mate with a female of the other, he must turn to face in the same direction as his intended mate, causing him to lose his balance before he can mount her. As a result of this difficulty, differences in leg length among the haggis population are accentuated.

 

The current Government reminds me of the Haggis. Scared to mount the stage for election, just in case it falls off the country's wish list as a preferred Government.

 

I'd have given anythin' for a slice of grilled haggis until this post popped up . . . I'm not so sure now, though. Are they IVF'ing the poor sods?

[AGareth2]

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Tracing the explosives

the army

[YetAnother]

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Wirat Kalayasiri, the chief of the Democrat Party’s legal team, said the government should thoroughly investigate whether there was a genuine movement posing a risk to national security, as the junta has claimed.

perhaps so but nothing would come of it; military investigating military never turns up anything reported back to the public; 

if the military even disingenuously did this, it would likely even intensify the scare-mongering with further made-up 'threats to security'

[Eric Loh]

4 hours ago, rooster59 said:

 

POLITICIANS SAY SUCH A MOVE WOULD POINT TO JUNTA’S FAILURE TO MAINTAIN LAW AND ORDER

Precise and correct. I thought the coup was to bring back order to the country. So it didn’t. Maybe they should investigate the cause not the symptom. Bingo, the cause is the coup and the national insecurity is due to the junta hardline policies and incompetencies. 

 

[Ossy]

5 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Police are checking the serial numbers of the grenades found in the second cache to try to establish their links to the owners, Srivara said.

I'll give you 22 to 1 that they're a small part of the 'farewell to the army' pilfering, by the 2P's, back in May '14. The rest will be in P1's understairs cupboard and, like bananas, declining in value as they become unstable. Just think: the rest could go off at any time . . . when he's nipping upstairs for a number 2, maybe. Yes, I like that picture  . . . any of you guys remember Blaster Bates and his 'Shower of Shit over Cheshire' story? 'Bangkok' or 'Nak Ratch' would fit the story just as well . . . perfectly well, on reflection.

[Sid Celery]

Nobody seems to have mentioned it, so I will.

 

Cache no. 1: Out in the sticks, in a rice field, under water. Been there for some time because the deterioration is manifest. What is the likelihood that the police force or the army found this in the course of their investigations?' None. If they were 2 feet off, the arms would not have been found. No, there was an informed tip-off. Who? When? Why? The finger must be pointed either at the owner of the land, or the person/people who buried them. Red-shirts? I doubt it. Landowner? Incriminate himself/herself? I doubt it. The person/people in the army who buried the arms without the land-owners knowledge and who kept or who had a precise location? Now we're talking... GPS? Probably. Not a local farmer? Definitely.

 

Cache No 2: Another rice field, this time after harvest much less deterioration = secreted much more recently. All other comments as per cache 1.

 

This my friends is a put-up job, if not under the instructions of Prawit, then with his knowledge. If not under the instructions of Prayuth, then with his knowledge. If this pair did not know, then all the recent blatherings in respect of 'intelligence' (oxymoron noted but not mentioned) are just BS; stumbling about in the dark, looking for reasons to break their most recent election promises.

 

Edited December 3, 2017 by Sid Celery

[Ossy]

32 minutes ago, Sid Celery said:

This my friends is a put-up job, if not under the instructions of Prawit, then with his knowledge. If not under the instructions of Prayuth, then with his knowledge. If this pair did not know, then all the recent blatherings in respect of 'intelligence' (oxymoron noted but not mentioned) are just BS; stumbling about in the dark, looking for reasons to break their most recent election promises.

 

An excellent post, Sid.

Boy, are we in for some fun and games as the shit gets nearer the fan . . . and then everyone just better keep low.

Edited December 3, 2017 by Ossy
clarity

[Sid Celery]

3 minutes ago, Ossy said:

An excellent post, Sid.

Boy, are we in for some fun and games as the shit gets nearer the fan . . . and then everyone just better keep low.

 

Thank you kind sir. And yes indeed, Time to buy a new umbrella and a poncho I think. The clock is now 5 to midnight or thereabouts. I wonder how the watermelon counter-coup planning is going...

[Eric Loh]

38 minutes ago, Sid Celery said:

This my friends is a put-up job,

Not surprising. First they did a put-up job of creating the condition for the coup. Then they crafted the put-up constitution. So it follows that they again did a put-up job to procrastinate on the election promise. Classic junta put-up strategy since 1932. 

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Precise and correct. I thought the coup was to bring back order to the country. So it didn’t. Maybe they should investigate the cause not the symptom. Bingo, the cause is the coup and the national insecurity is due to the junta hardline policies and incompetencies. 

 

 

Well Eric, they're aren't people lobbing bombs at judges, courts, anti Shin amnesty protesters, or machine gunning someone's mum's house because her daughter blew a whistle at someone's ex wife, are there?

 

Nor are there mass protests causing big disruptions anywhere.

 

Theses weapons seem to have been buried in wet fields with no protection for some time - possible by the highly competent red shirts!

 

 

 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Sid Celery said:

Nobody seems to have mentioned it, so I will.

 

Cache no. 1: Out in the sticks, in a rice field, under water. Been there for some time because the deterioration is manifest. What is the likelihood that the police force or the army found this in the course of their investigations?' None. If they were 2 feet off, the arms would not have been found. No, there was an informed tip-off. Who? When? Why? The finger must be pointed either at the owner of the land, or the person/people who buried them. Red-shirts? I doubt it. Landowner? Incriminate himself/herself? I doubt it. The person/people in the army who buried the arms without the land-owners knowledge and who kept or who had a precise location? Now we're talking... GPS? Probably. Not a local farmer? Definitely.

 

Cache No 2: Another rice field, this time after harvest much less deterioration = secreted much more recently. All other comments as per cache 1.

 

This my friends is a put-up job, if not under the instructions of Prawit, then with his knowledge. If not under the instructions of Prayuth, then with his knowledge. If this pair did not know, then all the recent blatherings in respect of 'intelligence' (oxymoron noted but not mentioned) are just BS; stumbling about in the dark, looking for reasons to break their most recent election promises.

 

 

Sid, Sid, Sid.

 

In your opinion a put up job. So someone, military, bury a cache of arms some years ago, looking the deterioration, so they can dig it up a few years later when needed for a convenient excuse for something or other.

 

You really think they think and plan such detail? If that's your opinion then fine. But unless you have real evidence it's no more than your opinion.

 

Or perhaps a red shirt group acquired those weapons, buried them and never retrieved them for whatever reasons.  Then there could be a number of scenarios - someone found something and alerted the military/police; a disgruntled former member or informer told the military/police where to go an look etc etc.

 

We'll never know, and can speculate all we want. One of the speculations might be true or there might be another. One thing interesting would be to know how long the authorities have known about this cache before making it public if it isn't a false flag. 

 

The only thing for sure is the smoke and mirrors never stops and the truth's out there somewhere but never likely to be found by a bunch of farangs!

[PREM-R]

7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Well Eric, they're aren't people lobbing bombs at judges, courts, anti Shin amnesty protesters, or machine gunning someone's mum's house because her daughter blew a whistle at someone's ex wife, are there?

 

Nor are there mass protests causing big disruptions anywhere.

 

Theses weapons seem to have been buried in wet fields with no protection for some time - possible by the highly competent red shirts!

 

 

 

" Theses weapons seem to have been buried in wet fields with no protection for some time"

 

     If the image in the OP is of the 'find' they appear to be mint, no sign of discolouration or soil / water damage to the boxes, in fact they look as if they could have been taken from  army storage  and placed in the field just before the photograph was taken.

[Baerboxer]

3 minutes ago, PREM-R said:

" Theses weapons seem to have been buried in wet fields with no protection for some time"

 

     If the image in the OP is of the 'find' they appear to be mint, no sign of discolouration or soil / water damage to the boxes, in fact they look as if they could have been taken from  army storage  and placed in the field just before the photograph was taken.

 

That's good point. Other photos show some very poor condition grenades and magazines. Whilst these boxes look pretty pristine, not even the slightest sludge marks and almost recently polished!

 

Of course we don't know what if anything was actually dug up and what journalistic "license" might have been taken in any photos. Someone could've just brought some old rusty stock of ammo and chucked it near some recent dug holes for all we know. Or someone could have informed on the cache. 

 

The point is, we'll never know, just as we'll never know about all the other mysteries or what goes on in the background. 

 

 

[PREM-R]

5 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

That's good point. Other photos show some very poor condition grenades and magazines. Whilst these boxes look pretty pristine, not even the slightest sludge marks and almost recently polished!

 

Of course we don't know what if anything was actually dug up and what journalistic "license" might have been taken in any photos. Someone could've just brought some old rusty stock of ammo and chucked it near some recent dug holes for all we know. Or someone could have informed on the cache. 

 

The point is, we'll never know, just as we'll never know about all the other mysteries or what goes on in the background. 

 

 

"Someone could've just brought some old rusty stock of ammo and chucked it near some recent dug holes for all we know." 

 

The question then arises, which 'someone' would have the most to gain from the discovery of an arms cache at this precise moment in time?

[Sid Celery]

23 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Sid, Sid, Sid.

 

In your opinion a put up job. So someone, military, bury a cache of arms some years ago, looking the deterioration, so they can dig it up a few years later when needed for a convenient excuse for something or other.

 

You really think they think and plan such detail? If that's your opinion then fine. But unless you have real evidence it's no more than your opinion.

 

Or perhaps a red shirt group acquired those weapons, buried them and never retrieved them for whatever reasons.  Then there could be a number of scenarios - someone found something and alerted the military/police; a disgruntled former member or informer told the military/police where to go an look etc etc.

 

We'll never know, and can speculate all we want. One of the speculations might be true or there might be another. One thing interesting would be to know how long the authorities have known about this cache before making it public if it isn't a false flag. 

 

The only thing for sure is the smoke and mirrors never stops and the truth's out there somewhere but never likely to be found by a bunch of farangs!

 

Baer Baer Baer.

 

Would you be so kind as to point to where I said or claimed this was any more than just an opinion? Or that I have other than rationality as evidence?

 

I thought not.

 

Would you please stop trolling me? It's undignified.

[Baerboxer]

4 minutes ago, Sid Celery said:

 

Baer Baer Baer.

 

Would you be so kind as to point to where I said or claimed this was any more than just an opinion? Or that I have other than rationality as evidence?

 

I thought not.

 

Would you please stop trolling me? It's undignified.

 

Well Sid old boy, you didn't didn't actually say this was only your opinion, now did you? No of course not.

 

What's rational to you, isn't necessarily rational to others. It seems you exclude other possible scenarios which  don't support your agenda.

 

Difference is Sid your rationality always seems to be fitted to a particular objective rather than exploring all the scenarios possible.

 

Sidney, you started the trolling, and usually aimed at belittling anything remotely critical of one faction. Come out the closet Sid. 

[baboon]

37 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

That's good point. Other photos show some very poor condition grenades and magazines. Whilst these boxes look pretty pristine, not even the slightest sludge marks and almost recently polished!

 

Of course we don't know what if anything was actually dug up and what journalistic "license" might have been taken in any photos. Someone could've just brought some old rusty stock of ammo and chucked it near some recent dug holes for all we know. Or someone could have informed on the cache. 

 

The point is, we'll never know, just as we'll never know about all the other mysteries or what goes on in the background. 

 

 

So would you agree that these finds are indeed no reason to delay elections, regardless of how they got there?

[Baerboxer]

5 minutes ago, baboon said:

So would you agree that these finds are indeed no reason to delay elections, regardless of how they got there?

 

Absolutely. 

 

 

[Eric Loh]

59 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Well Eric, they're aren't people lobbing bombs at judges, courts, anti Shin amnesty protesters, or machine gunning someone's mum's house because her daughter blew a whistle at someone's ex wife, are there?

 

Nor are there mass protests causing big disruptions anywhere.

 

Theses weapons seem to have been buried in wet fields with no protection for some time - possible by the highly competent red shirts!

 

 

 

So who exactly did all those nasty things. As Suthep said that he planned all this set-up since the day Yingluck won the election. False flag maybe. Just how highly competent are those red shirts to hide

the weapons without protection waiting to be discovered by the police. Too easy I say and too convenient for the junta for an excuse to delay political activities. 

[Baerboxer]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

So who exactly did all those nasty things. As Suthep said that he planned all this set-up since the day Yingluck won the election. False flag maybe. Just how highly competent are those red shirts to hide

the weapons without protection waiting to be discovered by the police. Too easy I say and too convenient for the junta for an excuse to delay political activities. 

 

So you seriously believe/suggest that all the attacks were not carried out by Shin minions but were false flag ops?

 

And the clever buggers even put plants at red shirt meetings and in PTP to applaud the murder of innocent children did they?

 

Right oh, Eric, take it steady!

[Sid Celery]

21 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Well Sid old boy, you didn't didn't actually say this was only your opinion, now did you? No of course not.

 

What's rational to you, isn't necessarily rational to others. It seems you exclude other possible scenarios which  don't support your agenda.

 

Difference is Sid your rationality always seems to be fitted to a particular objective rather than exploring all the scenarios possible.

 

Sidney, you started the trolling, and usually aimed at belittling anything remotely critical of one faction. Come out the closet Sid. 

 

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So you seriously believe/suggest that all the attacks were not carried out by Shin minions but were false flag ops?

 

And the clever buggers even put plants at red shirt meetings and in PTP to applaud the murder of innocent children did they?

 

Right oh, Eric, take it steady!

“The point is, we'll never know, just as we'll never know about all the other mysteries or what goes on in the background“.

 

An old sage said the above. 

[Sid Celery]

2 minutes ago, Sid Celery said:

...you started the trolling, and usually aimed at belittling anything remotely critical of one faction

 

Right... I think they call this 'Freudian Projection' or just 'projection''. 

 

Still, remain calm, remain dignified. It's important. You can.

[Sid Celery]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

“The point is, we'll never know, just as we'll never know about all the other mysteries or what goes on in the background“.

 

An old sage said the above. 

 

And it's true, except that we can assume certain conclusions if we assume the actions are intelligent and competently performed.

 

Oh, sorry. Forgot where I was for a moment.

[Becker]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Well Eric, they're aren't people lobbing bombs at judges, courts, anti Shin amnesty protesters, or machine gunning someone's mum's house because her daughter blew a whistle at someone's ex wife, are there?

Nor are there mass protests causing big disruptions anywhere.

 

That is absolutely correct. Instead we have military d rule with the d military ruler giving himself godlike powers and a total amnesty.

Under this blessed calm peaceful protesters and people who click "like" on the wrong Facebook posts are prosecuted by military courts where they have no representation and no right of appeal.

Now, you might prefer this but I don't and I'm pretty sure that if you put it to the vote neither would the voters.

[candide]

1 hour ago, PREM-R said:

"Someone could've just brought some old rusty stock of ammo and chucked it near some recent dug holes for all we know." 

 

The question then arises, which 'someone' would have the most to gain from the discovery of an arms cache at this precise moment in time?

It's only an hypothesis among others (), but maybe they have a dump of obsolete weapons and ammunition that they keep to plant them when needed.

"Chief, why do we keep rusty weapons?"

"That's for planting them, dumb-ass!