Valid pronunciations of 'กวน'

[tgeezer]

Boys, boys, boys, this way lies madness you can't go on like this. The English letter you choose to use is not relevant, suggest K then someone disagrees and says it is more like G, then someone else says G is too hard and so it goes on until you hear a recording and find that it sounds like ก.


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[MaeJoMTB]

3 hours ago, Ahab said:

The first letter of the word is "gor gai" (followed by wor-wan, and nor-noo) and that is where the "G' sound comes from. I am nowhere near an expert on the Thai language, but I have memorized the alphabet, vowels, tone marks, and have learned a small number of the grammatical rules. I can read some Thai script if given a lot of time (and it is not in a funky font). But the first letter of that word is where the "g" sound comes from.

Nor followed by wor-wen bur sara oo-waa .............

You having a problem recognizing shortened written forms of Thai vowels is not our fault (or problem).

Edited December 7, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[tgeezer]

MaeJoMTB why so hard on people? If you want to be pedantic it is called รูปสระ ตัว ว ที่ใช้โดยตรงหลังพยัญชนะแทนเสียงอัวเมือมีตัวสกด เช่น ช+อัว+น = ชวน

so if not wor-wen, dtua wo would be correct.

 

I consider it my concern if people post here and ask for help or I see things which I can help with. I fear though that I can't be very helpful if people cant read Thai because I have no idea how to write phonetics correctly.

 

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[carlyai]

Boys, boys, boys, this way lies madness you can't go on like this. The English letter you choose to use is not relevant, suggest K then someone disagrees and says it is more like G, then someone else says G is too hard and so it goes on until you hear a recording and find that it sounds like ก.


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Yes I see your point.

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[digbeth]

The Scottish actor Ewan McGregor when transcribed in Thai is ยวน 

 

 

[carlyai]

The Scottish actor Ewan McGregor when transcribed in Thai is ยวน 
 
 

Ahhh...I can see a gor gai in there somewhere. [emoji3]

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[bannork]

Sorry to lower the tone gentlemen -กวนตีน kuan dteen- to p-ss someone off.- dont use with people who may use violence on you, i.e. her indoors.

[Covertjay]

14 minutes ago, bannork said:

Sorry to lower the tone gentlemen -กวนตีน kuan dteen- to p-ss someone off.- dont use with people who may use violence on you, i.e. her indoors.

Bottom or sole of the feet. A good way to totally offend everyone you don't know very well. Avoid saying (and teaching) it. 

[digbeth]

ยียวนกวนตีน is the fuller version with gibberish attached 

 

ยวน alone is used in similar non-literal meaning of กวน eg: taking the mick, to harass

 

 

[bannork]

กวนประสาท to get on my nerves

that's a good one too.

[fire69water]

Very simple: ว right between two consonants serves as a อัว vowel, e.g., ขวด, รวย. The top little fish in between is omitted but is necessary for words with no final consonant, e.g., หัว, ตัว.

[Richard W]

On 06/12/2017 at 6:22 AM, WesternRobby said:

Is there a reason that it can't be กว + โ-ะ  + น in theory? Even though in this case it happens to be pronounced ก + อัว + น.

I don't think it can be excluded in theory, but vowels other than /a/, /aa/ or /ae/ (to use the extended RTGS system) are extremely rare after a medial /w/.

[Richard W]

In fact, there is an example, ขวนขวาย [R]khwon[R]khwaai 'to make an effort'.  Archaically, one can use just the first syllable.