Prayut defends economic effort after Chuan letter

By The Nation

 

File photo: Lt-General Sansern Kaewkamnerd

 

GOVERNMENT spokesman Lt-General Sansern Kaewkamnerd said yesterday that Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha had expressed his thanks to former Democrat prime minister Chuan Leekpai for his concerns and suggestions on plunging household incomes of people in the South.

 

The government, the spokesman said, had not overlooked the problem and tried to address it via its initiatives.

 

Chuan submitted the letter via Deputy Prime Minister Wissanu Krea-ngam to express concern about dropping household incomes in the South and to recommend action to improve the situation.

 

While the premier appreciated Chuan’s outreach, Sansern said, it was necessary to look at the causes of the problem and address them properly. 

 

During a recent trip to the South, the government learned that especially Yala, Trang and Ranong lacked adequate development, particularly in infrastructure, Sansern said. 

 

Most residents, he added, made their livings based on conventional agriculture and lacked access to loans.

 

Politics prior to the 2014 coup was plagued with conflicts and divisions, Sansern said, which partly disrupted the work of past governments to improve people’s living conditions. 

 

The junta government had been working to lift people’s standards of living and the overall economy had improved, as noted by a number of economic agencies, Sansern said.

 

The government realised that it is not easy to quickly raise people’s quality of life and their incomes, he added.

 

A number of recommendations made in the letter by Chuan had already been pursued by the government, and a number of initiatives were being worked on to improve people’s living conditions, Sansern said. 

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30333707

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2017-12-12

 

Nothing to do with us. We've only had 3.5yrs to work on these issues, its because of past governments! But the economy is prospering, honest....

My crystal ball sees loans coming for the South right before elections. It's not a political campaigning though and certainly not vote sweeteners. ??

Since the junta usurped power, only the wealthy have benefited.  The only thing the junta has created is fear not happiness amongst the average Thai. 

Edited December 12, 20178 yr by yellowboat

 

"While the premier appreciated Chuan’s outreach, Sansern said, it was necessary to look at the causes of the problem and address them properly."

 

Meaning since we took over we've done F all 

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Politics prior to the 2014 coup was plagued with conflicts and divisions, Sansern said, which partly disrupted the work of past governments to improve people’s living conditions. 

imagine if your job was the listen to this guy all the time

37 minutes ago, Dave67 said:

the causes of the problem and address them properly."

One cause - military unnecessary hardware.  Another Prawit's accumulation of 30 million in six years + bling.

I noticed a brand new Mercedes Benz in Ayutthaya on Saturday with "POLICE" sign written on each side, could buy and install at least 6 speed cameras for that price. Nice to see the government have their priorities on spending under control. Yep the economy is in good hands and well managed. Who mentioned the south?

The Dem criticize and get a explanation and a thank you note. Phue Thai criticize got a stern warning and a computer crime charge. Same same but different. 

5 hours ago, yellowboat said:

Since the junta usurped power, only the wealthy have benefited.  The only thing the junta has created is fear not happiness amongst the average Thai. 

 

So does that mean that under Thaksin's many attempts at government spread over at least 10 years poverty was eliminated and everybody was rich in 6 months? Does that mean that all the poor people out in rural Thailand are now riding around in Mercedes Benz instead of 20 year old pick up trucks and that they all now live in McMansions?

 

Quite a few people benefitted under his governments, but I am sure that the poor didn't as they are still poor while the rich got richer.

 

 

11 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

So does that mean that under Thaksin's many attempts at government spread over at least 10 years poverty was eliminated and everybody was rich in 6 months? Does that mean that all the poor people out in rural Thailand are now riding around in Mercedes Benz instead of 20 year old pick up trucks and that they all now live in McMansions?

 

Quite a few people benefitted under his governments, but I am sure that the poor didn't as they are still poor while the rich got richer.

 

 

Back to Thaksin again...

 

The longest serving Prime Minister in human history-1934 to 2014.

 

The very incarnation of a wickedness so vast that Genghis,Attila, Adolf and Bob the Builder were mere choir boys in comparison.....

Edited December 12, 20178 yr by Odysseus123

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

 

So does that mean that under Thaksin's many attempts at government spread over at least 10 years poverty was eliminated and everybody was rich in 6 months? Does that mean that all the poor people out in rural Thailand are now riding around in Mercedes Benz instead of 20 year old pick up trucks and that they all now live in McMansions?

 

Quite a few people benefitted under his governments, but I am sure that the poor didn't as they are still poor while the rich got richer.

 

 

If his or any other elected politician's performance was sub par, he would have been voted out.  He then could either try again next time or do grow melons like other politicians.  With the Junta, they will always be around and cannot be voted out.  Rigging the government to do the elite's bidding. is probably worse than buying votes.  Wouldn't you agree ?

6 hours ago, yellowboat said:

If his or any other elected politician's performance was sub par, he would have been voted out.  He then could either try again next time or do grow melons like other politicians.  With the Junta, they will always be around and cannot be voted out.  Rigging the government to do the elite's bidding. is probably worse than buying votes.  Wouldn't you agree ?

 

Not really.

 

When a convicted criminal fugitive owns a political party in the the country he ran away from, nominates his BIL to be PM followed by his sister who has NO political experience whatsoever,  and runs the country by proxy as he has done during the PPP and PTP governments, he has NO right to complain. He rigged the PTP to do his bidding when the TRT tried to ram an amnesty through for him, is far worse than buying votes.

 

Wouldn't you agree?

 

Both sides did vote buying, so they more or less cancel each other out.

 

At least Prayuth is still in Thailand.

 

Thaksin fled and is unlikely ever to return.

13 hours ago, YetAnother said:

imagine if your job was the listen to this guy all the time

Does he teach lying at a uni here, he would be very good at it if he did.

They got what they asked for.  Tough luck now.  The longer the junta is in power, the more the people will have any saying.

6 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

Not really.

 

When a convicted criminal fugitive owns a political party in the the country he ran away from, nominates his BIL to be PM followed by his sister who has NO political experience whatsoever,  and runs the country by proxy as he has done during the PPP and PTP governments, he has NO right to complain. He rigged the PTP to do his bidding when the TRT tried to ram an amnesty through for him, is far worse than buying votes.

 

Wouldn't you agree?

 

Both sides did vote buying, so they more or less cancel each other out.

 

At least Prayuth is still in Thailand.

 

Thaksin fled and is unlikely ever to return.

So you are saying that it is okay for a military to deny a population universal suffrage in the short and foreseeable future because those people they elected were bad ?

 

Because Yingluck, a person who won a fair election by a land side, had no previous experience in politics, it was okay for the military to remove her from office?  There were no laws about her talking to a family member or criminals about her job.

 

You seem to have a problem with the imperfections of Thai law and universal suffrage.  Universal suffrage is still the most fair way to elect a leader, unless you can think of a better way. 

 

The vote for giving Thaksin amnesty was in an of itself legal, and sadly now the military's control of the government has been made legal without the say of the Thai people.    So unelected people running a government is something you support ?

 

 

 

7 hours ago, yellowboat said:

So you are saying that it is okay for a military to deny a population universal suffrage in the short and foreseeable future because those people they elected were bad ?

 

Because Yingluck, a person who won a fair election by a land side, had no previous experience in politics, it was okay for the military to remove her from office?  There were no laws about her talking to a family member or criminals about her job.

 

You seem to have a problem with the imperfections of Thai law and universal suffrage.  Universal suffrage is still the most fair way to elect a leader, unless you can think of a better way. 

 

The vote for giving Thaksin amnesty was in an of itself legal, and sadly now the military's control of the government has been made legal without the say of the Thai people.    So unelected people running a government is something you support ?

 

 

 

 

If the vote to grant Thaksin a legal amnesty why did the PTP lie to the opposition Democrats that it would not be discussed any more that day and then deliberately hold a vote, in parliament at 4.30 am without the opposition being present or even notified?

 

If it was a legal vote then why was it withdrawn?

 

Would you try to answer the question that I ask instead of wandering off at a tangent once again.

 

I replied to your earlier post which you failed to answer and went off elsewhere and now you are doing it once again.

 

There is NO point in trying to have a discussion with you as you have a fixed bias that Thaksin has never done a thing wrong in his life and it is all a political conspiracy to keep him out of Thailand.

 

Until you try to open your mind I will not be interested in you very biased posts.

Edited December 13, 20178 yr by billd766

^^

"Prayut defends economic effort after Chuan letter."

Click on the last post out of interest and what do we have? 'But, but the Thaksin amnesty...' I mean, Jesus Christ...

49 minutes ago, billd766 said:

If the vote to grant Thaksin a legal amnesty why did the PTP lie to the opposition Democrats that it would not be discussed any more that day and then deliberately hold a vote, in parliament at 4.30 am without the opposition being present or even notified?

The 500-member House of Representatives passed the bill after 19 hours of acrimonious debate, which culminated in the entire opposition walking out of the chamber and refusing to vote.

 

 

43 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The 500-member House of Representatives passed the bill after 19 hours of acrimonious debate, which culminated in the entire opposition walking out of the chamber and refusing to vote.

 

 

 

That is not the way that I remember it Eric.

 

It appears that I am wrong and I do apologise to you.

 

However the Senate rejected the bill and it was never passed into law.

 

https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21589436-governments-latest-attempt-get-thaksin-shinawatra-back-has-united-almost-everyone-against

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/11/thailand-protests-amnesty-bill

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-24903958

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-politics-risk/political-tension-flares-in-thailand-over-amnesty-bill-idUSBRE9A009J20131101

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/05/thailand-political-amnesty-bill-shinawatra

 

https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/asia/thai-senate-rejects-amnesty-bill-opposition-mounts.html

 

http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Thailand/sub5_8a/entry-3201.html

 

https://www.news24.com/World/News/Amnesty-bill-proposed-for-Thaksin-Shinawatra-20131030-2

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

 

That is not the way that I remember it Eric.

 

It appears that I am wrong and I do apologise to you.

 

However the Senate rejected the bill and it was never passed into law.

 

https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21589436-governments-latest-attempt-get-thaksin-shinawatra-back-has-united-almost-everyone-against

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/11/thailand-protests-amnesty-bill

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-24903958

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-politics-risk/political-tension-flares-in-thailand-over-amnesty-bill-idUSBRE9A009J20131101

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/05/thailand-political-amnesty-bill-shinawatra

 

https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/asia/thai-senate-rejects-amnesty-bill-opposition-mounts.html

 

http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Thailand/sub5_8a/entry-3201.html

 

https://www.news24.com/World/News/Amnesty-bill-proposed-for-Thaksin-Shinawatra-20131030-2

It was an extract from the South China Post newspaper. 

 

Agree with you that that the senate reject the bill. 

On 12/13/2017 at 1:04 PM, billd766 said:

 

If the vote to grant Thaksin a legal amnesty why did the PTP lie to the opposition Democrats that it would not be discussed any more that day and then deliberately hold a vote, in parliament at 4.30 am without the opposition being present or even notified?

 

If it was a legal vote then why was it withdrawn?

 

Would you try to answer the question that I ask instead of wandering off at a tangent once again.

 

I replied to your earlier post which you failed to answer and went off elsewhere and now you are doing it once again.

 

There is NO point in trying to have a discussion with you as you have a fixed bias that Thaksin has never done a thing wrong in his life and it is all a political conspiracy to keep him out of Thailand.

 

Until you try to open your mind I will not be interested in you very biased posts.

Sorry for my late response.  Was working and traveling. 

 

My posts are biased and do not condone or, in the very least, sympathize with the seizure of power by an armed force.  Your retorts point more to ethical conduct as opposed to legalities.  My point being however bad the Shinawatras acted, were they in fact actually breaking the law?  And if so, why isn't a legal mechanism for removing them ?   Yes, Yingluck did know of criminal misconduct and for that she should have been removed in a civil manner, not with men carrying guns. 

 

Taiwan, South Korea and Japan all have legal means in dealing with head of state fail to perform ethically.  Thailand prefers shortcuts and it hurts the country.

 

After three years of crushing participatory government, the junta is leaving a legacy of diminishing the power of the average Thai's vote.  That sadly has become legal under the junta's sham government.

 

There is no bright spot going forward in Thailand under junta control. 

3 hours ago, yellowboat said:

Sorry for my late response.  Was working and traveling. 

 

My posts are biased and do not condone or, in the very least, sympathize with the seizure of power by an armed force.  Your retorts point more to ethical conduct as opposed to legalities.  My point being however bad the Shinawatras acted, were they in fact actually breaking the law?  And if so, why isn't a legal mechanism for removing them ?   Yes, Yingluck did know of criminal misconduct and for that she should have been removed in a civil manner, not with men carrying guns. 

 

Taiwan, South Korea and Japan all have legal means in dealing with head of state fail to perform ethically.  Thailand prefers shortcuts and it hurts the country.

 

After three years of crushing participatory government, the junta is leaving a legacy of diminishing the power of the average Thai's vote.  That sadly has become legal under the junta's sham government.

 

There is no bright spot going forward in Thailand under junta control. 

 

Having been in Thailand on and off since 1993 I don't think I have ever seen a government, elected or after a coup that I could honestly say this consists of moral, ethical , trustworthy MPs whose concern is for ALL of the Thai people and not for themselves, family, mates or hangers on etc.

 

There has not been a government yet whose concern is openness, transparency, reliability, good governance.

 

I don't expect to see one in my lifetime (I am 73), possibly in my wife's as she is only 52 but most likely in our son's lifetime as he is only 13.

 

If there were only some entity who could stamp out corruption Thailand would be perhaps 30 or 40% financially better off, some entity that could stamp out nepotism in the police, military, civil service and the monks/abbouts etc the whole country would be far better off morally and finally some entity who could deal with the entrenched HiSos It would be wonderful.

 

This would be on my wish list for 25th December but I don't somehow see that happening.

 

Knights in shining armour on white horses seem to be in short supply around here.

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

 

Having been in Thailand on and off since 1993 I don't think I have ever seen a government, elected or after a coup that I could honestly say this consists of moral, ethical , trustworthy MPs whose concern is for ALL of the Thai people and not for themselves, family, mates or hangers on etc.

 

There has not been a government yet whose concern is openness, transparency, reliability, good governance.

 

I don't expect to see one in my lifetime (I am 73), possibly in my wife's as she is only 52 but most likely in our son's lifetime as he is only 13.

 

If there were only some entity who could stamp out corruption Thailand would be perhaps 30 or 40% financially better off, some entity that could stamp out nepotism in the police, military, civil service and the monks/abbouts etc the whole country would be far better off morally and finally some entity who could deal with the entrenched HiSos It would be wonderful.

 

This would be on my wish list for 25th December but I don't somehow see that happening.

 

Knights in shining armour on white horses seem to be in short supply around here.

It is for the Thai people to elect that person, not to be forced by inbred elite and their heavily armed enablers who are inept and wealthy because they are wealthy.   Taiwan, South Korea and Japan all  have systems that are guarded.  Thailand's systems are undermined and defiled once an entitled person finds them inconvenient.  Thailand has created huge opportunities and annoying problems for our business, but going forward we see better opportunities outside of Thailand.     

 

Toon Bodyslam for PM !