webfact Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 UK surgeon admits to burning initials on livers of two patients Matthew Cooper London: A surgeon has admitted burning his initials on to the livers of two unconscious patients during transplant operations. Simon Bramhall, 53, admitted two counts of assault by beating at Birmingham Crown Court but pleaded not guilty to alternative charges of assault occasioning actual bodily harm. In a statement, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said Bramhall wrote his initials on the livers of the two patients without their consent and for no clinical reason while working as a liver transplant surgeon at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital. Full story: http://www.smh.com.au/world/uk-surgeon-admits-to-burning-initials-on-livers-of-two-patients-20171214-h04x1f.html -- Sydney Morning Herald 2017-12-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilacme Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 That is sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johncat1 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 If this was during a transplant the entire team of transplant surgeons and nurses must have been witness to it if not complicit in the act Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 It simply beggars belief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Sounds harmless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Doctor on a power trip playing God. Good he got caught. Maybe the next time he goes to get his teeth done, the dentist can etch a suitable epithet on the back of one of his teeth without his knowledge or consent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve187 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, katana said: Doctor on a power trip playing God. Good he got caught. Maybe the next time he goes to get his teeth done, the dentist can etch a suitable epithet on the back of one of his teeth without his knowledge or consent. etched on the front teeth ' idiot' i hope he is now on the dole Edited December 14, 2017 by steve187 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nausea Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 13 hours ago, johncat1 said: If this was during a transplant the entire team of transplant surgeons and nurses must have been witness to it if not complicit in the act "It was done in the presence of colleagues" (main article) Sounds like something out of Carry on Nurse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesinnz Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Sadly this is what happens when people get into authoritative positions where they feel they are untouchable and are given messages or only listen to messages telling them they are some sort of God. It is the disease of our time and there are plenty of examples all around us. One might suspect this is what is to be expected as a society enters terminal decline... a point all societies reach at some stage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 maybe he was drunk while he did it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon4637435435 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 If i had a liver transplant that saved my life they could dam well enscribe the koran all over mine. Couldnt careless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I was wondering how they found out about it. The Guardian has more information: "The 53-year-old was first suspended from his post as a consultant surgeon at Birmingham’s Queen Elizabeth hospital in 2013 after a colleague spotted the initials “SB” on an organ during follow-up surgery on one of Bramhall’s patients". "Speaking after Bramhall’s suspension, Joyce Robins, of Patient Concern, said: “This is a patient we are talking about, not an autograph book.”" https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/13/surgeon-admits-marking-his-initials-on-the-livers-of-two-patients Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 4 hours ago, nausea said: "It was done in the presence of colleagues" (main article) Sounds like something out of Carry on Nurse. I wish you had never made that post! I just lost an hour and a half of my day watching 'Carry on Nurse' - They don't make em like that any more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 46 minutes ago, ballpoint said: I was wondering how they found out about it. The Guardian has more information: "The 53-year-old was first suspended from his post as a consultant surgeon at Birmingham’s Queen Elizabeth hospital in 2013 after a colleague spotted the initials “SB” on an organ during follow-up surgery on one of Bramhall’s patients". "Speaking after Bramhall’s suspension, Joyce Robins, of Patient Concern, said: “This is a patient we are talking about, not an autograph book.”" https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/13/surgeon-admits-marking-his-initials-on-the-livers-of-two-patients Depressing. I'd hoped/assumed it was other staff present during the ops. that had reported him. Apparently they didn't...... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 10 hours ago, steve187 said: etched on the front teeth ' idiot' i hope he is now on the dole The awful thing is, last I heard was the GMC hadn't suspended or struck him off yet and he was still practising as a general surgeon at another hospital. It's like the omerta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonltr Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Well. At least he didn't write " Kilroy was here" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madusa Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) Having lived in Britain for 5 long years I got to know the easy going side of some British people. I imagine the patient when he was told about this probably say something like, "oh, he did that?, that's naughty". Or he would say something like, "oh, I wouldn't be able to show my friends the initials would I ? that's a pity." Edited December 15, 2017 by madusa add more words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Lemonltr said: Well. At least he didn't write " Kilroy was here" We are showing our age and roots! That's one of the first things I thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Downgrade him to GP and make him serve out a sentence helping patients for the rest of his career at a modest stipend and subject to regular review as an alternative to wasting his talents in the clink. Time served to be equivalent to what he would get in prison if subject to a custodial sentence. Or he gets to work in the prison hospital /clinic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champers Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 20 hours ago, nausea said: "It was done in the presence of colleagues" (main article) Sounds like something out of Carry on Nurse. Ooooh. Matron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champers Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 This man must consider himself an artist and likes to sign his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexlowe Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I know this is bloody serious. (But no one's looking and I can't help but have a little chuckle at the audacity. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, champers said: Ooooh. Matron! You beat me to the exact same quote by ten minutes 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 As an aside, isn't scarring of the liver one of the preliminary causes of damage leading to a liver transplant anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryPattaya Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 12/15/2017 at 11:37 AM, bsdthai said: If i had a liver transplant that saved my life they could dam well enscribe the koran all over mine. Couldnt careless. I agree it’s like an artist signing his painting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 15/12/2017 at 10:07 AM, klauskunkel said: maybe he was drunk while he did it... That excuse would work in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) A liver surgeon who branded his initials (4cm high) on the livers of two patients has been fined £10,000. (12/01/18) "Bramhall, of Tarrington, Herefordshire, admitted two counts of assault by beating at Birmingham Crown Court... He was also sentenced to a 12-month community order. ...one of the two victims was left feeling "violated" and suffered ongoing psychological harm." This was conduct born of professional arrogance of such magnitude that it strayed into criminal behaviour. What you did was an abuse of power and a betrayal of trust that these patients had invested in you..." Continued:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-42663518 (12/01/18) Edited January 13, 2018 by katana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I think my liver has 'Chang' written on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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