Military absolves its own over the death of cadet

[Rhys]

Just sad for the cadet's family.... closure will not come this way... be strong.

[spidermike007]

THE MILITARY-ESTABLISHED fact-finding committee has concluded that the death of 18-year-old cadet Phakhapong “Meay” Tanyakan was not caused by any punishment. 

The committee, however, confirmed that Phakhapong was subject to inappropriate penalties at the Armed Forces Academies Preparatory School (AFAPS) during the 48 hours before his death on October 17. 

 

An 18 year old suffering from cardiac arrest. What are the chances? The absolute BS, filth, deflection and nastiness that this military and this government are able to get away with, is astonishing, depressing, disappointing, and mind boggling. There is not one nanogram of integrity, truth, or compassion within the power structure here. Do not believe anything. Believe anything you are told, at your own peril. Anything coming from the military or this administration is absolutely fake news. 

[lvr181]

12 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

THE MILITARY-ESTABLISHED fact-finding committee has concluded that the death of 18-year-old cadet Phakhapong “Meay” Tanyakan was not caused by any punishment. 

The committee, however, confirmed that Phakhapong was subject to inappropriate penalties at the Armed Forces Academies Preparatory School (AFAPS) during the 48 hours before his death on October 17. 

 

An 18 year old suffering from cardiac arrest. What are the chances? The absolute BS, filth, deflection and nastiness that this military and this government are able to get away with, is astonishing, depressing, disappointing, and mind boggling. There is not one nanogram of integrity, truth, or compassion within the power structure here. Do not believe anything. Believe anything you are told, at your own peril. Anything coming from the military or this administration is absolutely fake news. 

"... is absolutely fake news."  Yessir, Mr Donald T Rump. 

 

All jokes aside you're correct.

[evadgib]

Was this a national serviceman? Why do parents continue sending them and why in the 21st century does it only apply to males?

[Bob12345]

1 hour ago, TKDfella said:

Well, as far as I am aware cpr may be administered for for long periods BUT only when the patient cannot be connected to appropriate hospital equipment. The reasons are that a single person would find it difficult to maintain the necessary rhythm (100 per min) for long periods and damage to the Sternum and/or ribs. So in this case are we to assume that proper hospital equipment was not available? That's hard to believe.

CPR is normally administered for 30 minutes, after which the person is pronounced death.

Other guidelines say 20 minutes is enough.

 

 

Only reason to go beyond that period of time is when the patient came bad shortly during the CPR (pulse found, hearth monitor shows a few beatings).

If a patient's heart comes back and stops beating again there is a good chance there is a cause that can be fixed which makes is useful to continue CPR till an emergency procedure can be done.

 

Main reason CPR is done longer than 30 minutes without a pulse coming back on and off is that the people doing the CPR cannot let go (that can be out of guilt, but also because they know the patient).

 

Without details given (did his pulse come back) it is impossible to say if the long period of CPR was justified or not.

 

(source: ER specialist from Thai hospital)

[Jonnapat]

5 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Once again the Government show themselves to be utterly spineless and to allow a murder to go unpunished. They clearly don't have the intelligence to realise that by doing so, they are doing nothing to prevent this from happening again. Their is a mindset in the military that is totally wrong. This was an opportunity to address that, but clearly honesty is not and never has been a strong point for the Junta.

Did anyone really expect anything different? This is face-saving Thainess at it's finest.

[dinsdale]

5 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Once again the Government show themselves to be utterly spineless

The "Government" is the Military. Chances are they're assisting in the cover up.

[Srikcir]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Was this a national serviceman? Why do parents continue sending them and why in the 21st century does it only apply to males?

While Thailand has a mandatory registration for conscription, it's a lottery draw that determines actual military draft service. Thailand is one of more than 20 nations with conscription. Google it.

Justification doesn't appear to be related to national security as Thailand has no external threats. It does have a limited insurgency in the southern provinces but largely handled by paramilitary and defense volunteer forces.

However, maintaining an excessive military command may be useful in supporting military coupes (12 to date since 1933), suppression of human rights for pro-military governments and justification for a top heavy flag general command (more generals than in the US military command).

There also may be an economic purpose of "employing" young men as conscripts in the military: keeps unemployment rate seemingly low for the nation.

[Sir Swagman]

It amazes me that lying is done so badly. Dispels the 'practice makes perfect' mantra.

[HHTel]

7 hours ago, rooster59 said:

The committee, however, confirmed that Phakhapong was subject to inappropriate penalties at the Armed Forces Academies Preparatory School (AFAPS) during the 48 hours before his death on October 17. 

And what were these 'inappropriate penalties'.  That needs to be answered.

 

The result is no surprise.  Everyone expected it from the Army, the very institution accused of misconduct!

[Jonmarleesco]

Now there's a surprise.

 

'... Chawarat said that ... Some of his cardiac muscle cells also had an abnormal size – something not usually found among teenagers.'

 

And that didn't show up in the pre-entry medical? Or was the doctor who carried out also incompetent and/or corrupt? 

 

 

[Jonmarleesco]

2 hours ago, Sir Swagman said:

It amazes me that lying is done so badly. Dispels the 'practice makes perfect' mantra.

Like the politicians. They're still behind the curve when it comes to the intelligence of the man on the street. 

[metisdead]

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[TKDfella]

4 hours ago, Bob12345 said:

CPR is normally administered for 30 minutes, after which the person is pronounced death.

Other guidelines say 20 minutes is enough.

 

 

Only reason to go beyond that period of time is when the patient came bad shortly during the CPR (pulse found, hearth monitor shows a few beatings).

If a patient's heart comes back and stops beating again there is a good chance there is a cause that can be fixed which makes is useful to continue CPR till an emergency procedure can be done.

 

Main reason CPR is done longer than 30 minutes without a pulse coming back on and off is that the people doing the CPR cannot let go (that can be out of guilt, but also because they know the patient).

 

Without details given (did his pulse come back) it is impossible to say if the long period of CPR was justified or not.

 

(source: ER specialist from Thai hospital)

Am aware of this. My remarks were really about situations where the patient may be waiting for the arrival of medics and trying to highlight that in this case there really was no excuse at all.

[Sirbergan]

8 hours ago, Bob12345 said:

CPR is normally administered for 30 minutes, after which the person is pronounced death.

Other guidelines say 20 minutes is enough.

 

 

Only reason to go beyond that period of time is when the patient came bad shortly during the CPR (pulse found, hearth monitor shows a few beatings).

If a patient's heart comes back and stops beating again there is a good chance there is a cause that can be fixed which makes is useful to continue CPR till an emergency procedure can be done.

 

Main reason CPR is done longer than 30 minutes without a pulse coming back on and off is that the people doing the CPR cannot let go (that can be out of guilt, but also because they know the patient).

 

Without details given (did his pulse come back) it is impossible to say if the long period of CPR was justified or not.

 

(source: ER specialist from Thai hospital)

Not all that hard to call BS on four hours of CPR in a military facility in Thailand. The only way that could happen, would be if the people doing the CRP didn't call it in. And if that happened, well …

[mikiea]

On 12/16/2017 at 8:12 AM, darksidedog said:

Once again the Government show themselves to be utterly spineless and to allow a murder to go unpunished. They clearly don't have the intelligence to realise that by doing so, they are doing nothing to prevent this from happening again. Their is a mindset in the military that is totally wrong. This was an opportunity to address that, but clearly honesty is not and never has been a strong point for the Junta.

to the mother i feel pity for, i know she will never have peace because the truth may never be known . RIP

[chama]

Clearly this is very inconvenient for the military. They operate best when they have impunity so this is causing them great discomfort. Poor, poor, poor Generals! If this keeps up someone from the ol' gang is going to have to take one for the team. Draw straws anyone? Or has anyone upset the most equal amount equals? Time to clean out the trousers boys! This one is gaining traction.