sanemax Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 2 hours ago, scottiejohn said: They came around, I am not disputing your account. But were they fake. I am still waiting for an answer from the OP re this immigration investigation place he said people were taken to. When the music licence police tried it on at my place I pointed to the security cameras that were pointing at them and asked for their ID. They left and never came back to me but tried it on elsewhere. As to whether I carry documents etc that is my business. This is nothing to do with your music licence How is he supposed to know where people are taken , "fake" police do not usually take anyone anywhere . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 hours ago, scottiejohn said: When the music licence police tried it on at my place I pointed to the security cameras that were pointing at them and asked for their ID. They left and never came back to me but tried it on elsewhere. Please show us the security tapes... or it never happened. These police officers were very polite but efficient. Very professional. They weren't the least bit pushy nor intimidating. They were just doing their routine job in a routine manner. Very different from all the 'supposed' reports of the aggressive music police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simoh1490 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 hours ago, scottiejohn said: They came around, I am not disputing your account. But were they fake. I am still waiting for an answer from the OP re this immigration investigation place he said people were taken to. When the music licence police tried it on at my place I pointed to the security cameras that were pointing at them and asked for their ID. They left and never came back to me but tried it on elsewhere. As to whether I carry documents etc that is my business. A single attempted scam involving fake police doesn't make all reports of police and immigration activity fake. You'd do well to consider all these reports true, unless proven otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 27 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said: Please show us the security tapes... or it never happened A disgraceful comment. Please retract it. I have accepted your statements as true. You at least should extend the same courtesy to myself. I had no need to keep the security tapes as the scammers fled when told they were being recorded. Ask any bar owner who has run any establishment playing music (especially 5-10 years ago) how often they have been approached by the scam artists chasing public entertainment licenses and "confiscating" computers etc and detaining staff until the "fine" was paid to the scammers who were supported by certain BIB from a certain station in CM You appear to have been here in CM long enough to know about the scams I am talking about. I do not trust people trying to enforce laws that don't exist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 33 minutes ago, simoh1490 said: You'd do well to consider all these reports true, unless proven otherwise. I do the opposite. Anyone trying to enforce a non existing law is normally a scammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 17 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: A disgraceful comment. Please retract it. I have accepted your statements as true. You at least should extend the same courtesy to myself. I had no need to keep the security tapes as the scammers fled when told they were being recorded. Ask any bar owner who has run any establishment playing music (especially 5-10 years ago) how often they have been approached by the scam artists chasing public entertainment licenses and "confiscating" computers etc and detaining staff until the "fine" was paid to the scammers who were supported by certain BIB from a certain station in CM You appear to have been here in CM long enough to know about the scams I am talking about. I do not trust people trying to enforce laws that don't exist! You must know that the situation in Chiang mai regarding the Police has changed a lot in the last few years . The Army are now in charge and they have cut down on corruption . Once again , two Police asking in your bar about music licences 5-10 years ago has nothing to do with the Police checking peoples visa an I.D today Just because the police attempted to scam you once before , a long time ago , that doesnt mean that every policeman tries to scam everyone all the times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 hour ago, sanemax said: How is he supposed to know where people are taken , "fake" police do not usually take anyone anywhere . Sorry but the OP stated the victims were taken to a specific location. Where is it? On your 2nd point they were taken somewhere but they were not fake police they were real and escorting the bar staff to their police station until the owners turned up and paid the "fines" (and got all their computers etc back). When bar owners started to confront them with things like threatening video evidence etc it all stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simoh1490 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: I do the opposite. Anyone trying to enforce a non existing law is normally a scammer. I'm pretty sure the police have got the right to ask anyone they want for ID, that's not exactly a scam and is the same in many countries if not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, sanemax said: You must know that the situation in Chiang mai regarding the Police has changed a lot in the last few years . The Army are now in charge and they have cut down on corruption . That must be the joke comment of the year. You must wash in Persil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I carry a scaled-down laminated copy of the photo page of my passport in my wallet at all times. Despite the fact that it doesn't show current visa standing, they looked at it, matched my face to the photo, and handed it back and moved on. From what you wrote would it be correct to conclude that you did not have your visa checked since you provided no visa information? Or is there additional information someplace?Sent from my iPod touch using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, simoh1490 said: I'm pretty sure the police have got the right to ask anyone they want for ID, that's not exactly a scam and is the same in many countries if not all. Legally asking for ID is of course legitimate and correct. Scamming and extortion under the pretext of legal enforcement are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Just now, scottiejohn said: That must be the joke comment of the year. You must wash in Persil! Are the Police now enforcing licensing laws ? Did thePolice used to accept bribes from bars to stay open late ? The answer to both questions is "Yes" The Army have cut down on Police corruption . No doubt you are one of these barstool guys who likes to moan and complain about everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simoh1490 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Just now, scottiejohn said: Legally asking for ID is of course legitimate and correct. Scamming and extortion under the pretext of legal enforcement are not. So what do you want o do here, declare that the OP might well have reported a legitimate case of Immigration Police doing their jobs or keep looking for Reds under the bed! And if for proof you're waiting for the OP to tell you the name and location of the office they were going to take people to, get real, the OP is simply reporting an incident, not doing a forensic investigation. I mean, what would any rational farang do in that situation, confront the police and demand to know the location, right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, sanemax said: Are the Police now enforcing licensing laws ? Did thePolice used to accept bribes from bars to stay open late ? They are still not enforcing licensing laws (everywhere) and are still accepting bribes! Get real and turn your bar stool the other way up. PS; I never sit on bar stools. Just shows what you know or don't know about me. Edited December 22, 2017 by scottiejohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: On your 2nd point they were taken somewhere but they were not fake police they were real and escorting the bar staff to their police station until the owners turned up and paid the "fines" (and got all their computers etc back). When bar owners started to confront them with things like threatening video evidence etc it all stopped. Stop going off topic, we are not talking about what happened to you a number of years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 55 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: A disgraceful comment. Please retract it. I have accepted your statements as true. You at least should extend the same courtesy to myself. Do you mean the same way that you accepted the OP's original statement... and made a second demand that he produce the location of the police office? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. 25 minutes ago, Bill97 said: From what you wrote would it be correct to conclude that you did not have your visa checked since you provided no visa information? Or is there additional information someplace? Yes, that is correct. They never asked for my visa. I don't know why. I do carry a photocopy of it, but when asked for my passport, it's my habit to show the small, laminated card. They looked at it, looked at me, handed it back, and said; "Thank you." They did very carefully look at the wait-staff's documents, and spent at least 10-15 minutes copying down information in some sort of ledger they were carrying. The wait-staff in this restaurant are all Burmese. But again, they just handed the documents back, said 'Thank you,' and moved on to the various people at the tables in the restaurant. Edited December 22, 2017 by FolkGuitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: They still are! No they are not , not on the scale from a few years ago . There may be the odd one nowadays, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: They are still not enforcing licensing laws (everywhere) and are still accepting bribes! Get real and turn your bar stool the other way up. PS; I never sit on bar stools. Just shows what you know or don't know about me. Where are they not enforcing the licencing laws then ? <deleted>, it cant be bothered arguing with you . Its all corrupt, bribes, police blah blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 What is it with the CM forum, its the same as when someone posted about the felang guy on the streets with a very bad leg, someone posts a thread to try to help him and a few posters questioned his intentions , became quite unpleasant and got the thread closed . That guy is still on the streets in a bad way, looks like his leg has gangerine and people on TV wanted to help him, yet the abusive people got the thread closed down . Why cant people just be thankful for others trying to help, rather than chasing them away off the thread ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyL Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 minute ago, sanemax said: What is it with the CM forum, its the same as when someone posted about the felang guy on the streets with a very bad leg, someone posts a thread to try to help him and a few posters questioned his intentions , became quite unpleasant and got the thread closed . That guy is still on the streets in a bad way, looks like his leg has gangerine and people on TV wanted to help him, yet the abusive people got the thread closed down . Why cant people just be thankful for others trying to help, rather than chasing them away off the thread ? The person with the bad leg should go to Suan Dok hospital, aka CM University or Maharaj Hospital. His Embassy or Consulate should be contacted. Also, Lanna Care Net could be of assistance, too. The gov't hospitals have a U.N. obligation to provide emergency care regardless of ability to pay and this sounds like an emergency situation. It may be that the gentleman is concerned about having to give up some of his habits if he goes to the hospital, but given the cold weather and your description of his leg, he really should seek help. And be forthright with the staff in the emergency room about any substances he may consume on a regular basis, so they can help wean him off in a medically appropriate fashion during his hospital stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkles Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I finally may have found a use for my pink Thai ID card......surely nothing could go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, NancyL said: The person with the bad leg should go to Suan Dok hospital, aka CM University or Maharaj Hospital. His Embassy or Consulate should be contacted. Also, Lanna Care Net could be of assistance, too. The gov't hospitals have a U.N. obligation to provide emergency care regardless of ability to pay and this sounds like an emergency situation. It may be that the gentleman is concerned about having to give up some of his habits if he goes to the hospital, but given the cold weather and your description of his leg, he really should seek help. And be forthright with the staff in the emergency room about any substances he may consume on a regular basis, so they can help wean him off in a medically appropriate fashion during his hospital stay. He has been to a hospital and they wanted to amputate his leg , but he refused and hes hoping its going to heal up . The leg below the knee is all in scaffolding, pins going through the leg . Hes hoping for it to heal, but it looks in a bad way , he seems quite well spoken and doesnt seem to be on drink or drugs . This cold weather could finish him off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 hour ago, FolkGuitar said: demand that he produce the location of the police office? I did not demand anything, I asked for clarifaication as the OP did not say anything about a "Police Office" he stated they were taken to a "immigration investigation office". I know of no such place. I would love to know if this place exists. The first sign of a scam on the web is innacurate statements/information or typos which show ignorance of the actual subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 2 hours ago, sanemax said: Stop going off topic, we are not talking about what happened to you a number of years ago Scams are ongoing. Timelines have nothing to do with it. Take your blinkers off and send money to my Nigerian bank account please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 47 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: I did not demand anything, I asked for clarifaication as the OP did not say anything about a "Police Office" he stated they were taken to a "immigration investigation office". I know of no such place. I would love to know if this place exists. The first sign of a scam on the web is innacurate statements/information or typos which show ignorance of the actual subject. Why would you assume that he would know the location, or even the exact title of where some stranger else was taken? Yet you keep asking for it, and by association, your comments that it's some sort of scam. But... here is a photo that I shot here in Chiang Mai... it's the Immigration Detention Cell (if that is its correct name.) Do you know that this place exists? Edited December 22, 2017 by FolkGuitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hml367 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 47 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: I did not demand anything, I asked for clarifaication as the OP did not say anything about a "Police Office" he stated they were taken to a "immigration investigation office". I know of no such place. I would love to know if this place exists. The first sign of a scam on the web is innacurate statements/information or typos which show ignorance of the actual subject. The Investigations Office for Chiang Mai Immigration is at the location on the road to the airport where they are constructing the new building. If you go straight in through the entrance gate and continue going straight you would run right into the Investigations Office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daoyai Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I passed by the North Gate jazz club last night at about 22:30, there were 3 police pickup trucks outside with lights flashing and many officers standing in front. Maybe related to this visa "crackdown" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Details aside, one must wonder at the logic behind this. Tourism has only really picked up in the last couple of weeks and now the authorities seem adamant on detaining/ deterring the new arrivals. Can we expect checks in the local Starbucks/ McD's and upmarket hotels, and if not then maybe why not is a pertinent question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedomnow Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 47 minutes ago, daoyai said: I passed by the North Gate jazz club last night at about 22:30, there were 3 police pickup trucks outside with lights flashing and many officers standing in front. Maybe related to this visa "crackdown" ? A friendly heads-up to help other members seems to have turned into a multi-headed monster (this thread). Having your passport / a photocopy of latest visa and and or entry stamp with expiry date clear and main photo page, or a photo of said pages on your phone saves people getting entangled for a length of time trying to prove your visa status to immi. officers who have been going from business-to-business focused on Thai or foreign owners 7 days ago (trying to route out illegal workers with threats of heft daily retroactive fines for any caught illegals) and now in last few days tourists in old city ( trying to route out overstays or anything else they can tip you upside down for $$$$$.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 37 minutes ago, cmsally said: Details aside, one must wonder at the logic behind this. Tourism has only really picked up in the last couple of weeks and now the authorities seem adamant on detaining/ deterring the new arrivals. Can we expect checks in the local Starbucks/ McD's and upmarket hotels, and if not then maybe why not is a pertinent question. Only overstayers are getting detained , tourists will not have any issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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