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It is somewhat sad to read of people who count their lives of having had such little value, and the feelings of their heirs, relations and those who succeed them of having even less worth, that they wish for nothing more than to be burned, squashed, dissolved or otherwise dissipated ignominiously.

When we compare that to the dignity and respect that has historically been afforded in death to those admired in their lifetime, the contrast is striking.

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5 minutes ago, PerkinsCuthbert said:

It is somewhat sad to read of people who count their lives of having had such little value, and the feelings of their heirs, relations and those who succeed them of having even less worth, that they wish for nothing more than to be burned, squashed, dissolved or otherwise dissipated ignominiously.

When we compare that to the dignity and respect that has historically been afforded in death to those admired in their lifetime, the contrast is striking.

We are not living in those historical times now.  No one is getting mummified and shut in a giant pyramid, and most people no longer believe in an afterlife.

 

Why do you think the people think their lives have little value, or are worthless.. or even think  of their family as worthless?  Where are you getting that from?  

 

These people, same as the OP, put their priorities in the right place... in life and living.

 

Once you are dead that is it.  It's stupid to hold elaborate religious ceremonies or other such things.  Don't waste money and time on funeral nonsense... Surely that are being more loving and concerned with the people they leave behind if they leave them the money to use on their lives.. not on some gold plated satin lined box and religious nutters (who seem to always also want money for doing the funeral).

 

 

 

 

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I've donated my body.  Completed all the paperwork so it's a done deal.

 

My family and friends will have a party (wake) at my local bar/restaurant.  When I informed my family, not one person was against it, quite the opposite.

 

So my friends and family will have a last drink on me and hopefully medical students will learn something from my death.

 

N.B.  Students will address my body as 'Ajarn Yai' before I get taken apart!!

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25 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

We are not living in those historical times now.  No one is getting mummified and shut in a giant pyramid, and most people no longer believe in an afterlife.

 

Why do you think the people think their lives have little value, or are worthless.. or even think  of their family as worthless?  Where are you getting that from?  

 

These people, same as the OP, put their priorities in the right place... in life and living.

 

Once you are dead that is it.  It's stupid to hold elaborate religious ceremonies or other such things.  Don't waste money and time on funeral nonsense... Surely that are being more loving and concerned with the people they leave behind if they leave them the money to use on their lives.. not on some gold plated satin lined box and religious nutters (who seem to always also want money for doing the funeral).

 

 

 

 

Totally agree. Funerals in my village involve 24 hour eating and drinking, with all the village dregs turning up for freebies, yet they never even spoke to the deceased when they were alive. Monks morning and night, with new bloody robes and donations is crazy. Just pay to bury or burn a body, and let whatever money there is go to the family, spoude, children whatever.

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On 1/6/2018 at 7:22 PM, Jip99 said:

 

 

Unfortunately, the Thai hospitals etc don't always want your body.

 

A friend was rejected and had to have a conventional cremation.................. Thailand..... not welcome in life, not welcome in death! :smile:

That's what I call unwanted, I bet the flames went out at the cremation.

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42 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

We are not living in those historical times now.  No one is getting mummified and shut in a giant pyramid, and most people no longer believe in an afterlife.

 

Why do you think the people think their lives have little value, or are worthless.. or even think  of their family as worthless?  Where are you getting that from?  

 

These people, same as the OP, put their priorities in the right place... in life and living.

 

Once you are dead that is it.  It's stupid to hold elaborate religious ceremonies or other such things.  Don't waste money and time on funeral nonsense... Surely that are being more loving and concerned with the people they leave behind if they leave them the money to use on their lives.. not on some gold plated satin lined box and religious nutters (who seem to always also want money for doing the funeral).

 

 

 

 

If you live in a village most villages have a funeral insurance (dirt cheap) that you pay once a year, takes care of the funeral and the feasting. I also told my missus to forget the feasting just pay for the cremation but she objected that if she did that it would show lack of respect and she would be shunned in the village.

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8 hours ago, steven100 said:

what about getting someone to rent a tree muncher and feed you into that ....  it's inexpensive and you come out in little tiny pieces.

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the Coen bros thought about that in their award winning film Fargo...

 

 

highly entertaining it was, too...selected for preservation in the US National Film Registry by the Library of Congress...

 

 

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4 minutes ago, overherebc said:

A bit of a mis-quote that doesn't have the same meaning as the full quote.

Physics now suggests that at the most fundamental level the universe is non-local, there is no such thing as place or distance. The mystics who produced the unpanishads (basis for Hinduism and Buddhism) knew this 4,000 years ago 

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23 hours ago, KhunMhee said:

While I feel the exact way as the OP. Once you're dead then you're dead, but the question to the OP is even if you find the way you want to go you won't know if your wish is being followed anyway. So does it really matter?

Yes of course, but it is selfish to leave a burden for others behind.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Yes of course, but it is selfish to leave a burden for others behind.

 

 

Haha eh? How is it s burden here are 2 facts you're missing. 1 - everyone dies if it's a burden on you then you need to figure out how to live forever and try not to burden people with that. 2 - Once I'm dead that's the end of the game. I won't know what's happening to my body so if you burn it or simply feed it to the pigs it makes no matter. Rituals of death are not for the dead but for the living who need to believe. SHM burden thanks for the laugh this AM

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7 minutes ago, KhunMhee said:

Haha eh? How is it s burden here are 2 facts you're missing. 1 - everyone dies if it's a burden on you then you need to figure out how to live forever and try not to burden people with that. 2 - Once I'm dead that's the end of the game. I won't know what's happening to my body so if you burn it or simply feed it to the pigs it makes no matter. Rituals of death are not for the dead but for the living who need to believe. SHM burden thanks for the laugh this AM

No, one's corpse is a burden for others,  that one can make some prior efforts to minimize.

Do you not understand the phrase 'for others'??

 

Your 'Facts' are obvious and I have no need of them.

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1 minute ago, jacko45k said:

No, one's corpse is a burden for others,  that one can make some prior efforts to minimize.

Do you not understand the phrase 'for others'??

Oh my gosh why yes sir I most certainly do! Again how is your body a burden for others? Once you're dead its over. Are you talking about the cost to burn/bury the body? Again SMH that's a nominal cost. When it's my time to go then Mrs. Mhee can happily have a ceremony though like me she is absolutely not religious or spiritual. SO a quickie burn would do the trick I would suppose. Do you work for a funeral home? Trying to pinch a few bucks outta people who are like minded to me with the burden factor?

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2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

You may want to go back to bed and sleep it off!

Been awake for 2 hours and in my office offshore. No such luck. Still can't figure how I will be a burden and you have not once attempted to try to enlighten me on what you mean. So troll away

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1 minute ago, KhunMhee said:

Been awake for 2 hours and in my office offshore. No such luck. Still can't figure how I will be a burden and you have not once attempted to try to enlighten me on what you mean. So troll away

As stated. a corpse is a burden to be disposed of by others, that is all I mean.

You seem to be trolling for an argument, so goodbye.

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35 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Yes of course, but it is selfish to leave a burden for others behind.

 

 

Here you're saying something is a burden ( I will assume corpse )

21 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

No, one's corpse is a burden for others,  that one can make some prior efforts to minimize.

Do you not understand the phrase 'for others'??

 

Your 'Facts' are obvious and I have no need of them.

Here you're saying no corpse is a burden for others that make plans. ( I will assume you consider me to be unable to afford what ever my wife wants to do with mine )

4 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

As stated. a corpse is a burden to be disposed of by others, that is all I mean.

You seem to be trolling for an argument, so goodbye.

Now once again its a burden to others. ( I will assume you're off your rocker and talk in circles most of your days )

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On ‎08‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 5:04 PM, soalbundy said:

If you live in a village most villages have a funeral insurance (dirt cheap) that you pay once a year, takes care of the funeral and the feasting. I also told my missus to forget the feasting just pay for the cremation but she objected that if she did that it would show lack of respect and she would be shunned in the village.

I agree with you.  But I don't agree the true reason is 'lack of respect'.  More like loosing face by not showing off how much money the family has... one up on the neighbours.  

 

This being shunned by the village is like blackmail to have a funeral and a party and give everyone free food, drinks and a good time.  If these where true friends, or just nice people, they would not behave like that.  So, if it was me, and they shunned my for not having a funeral party for someone in my family.. I would not give a toss.  I mean, those kind of people don't deserve any respect or consideration... they are just selfish bullies.  

 

 

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20 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

I agree with you.  But I don't agree the true reason is 'lack of respect'.  More like loosing face by not showing off how much money the family has... one up on the neighbours.  

 

This being shunned by the village is like blackmail to have a funeral and a party and give everyone free food, drinks and a good time.  If these where true friends, or just nice people, they would not behave like that.  So, if it was me, and they shunned my for not having a funeral party for someone in my family.. I would not give a toss.  I mean, those kind of people don't deserve any respect or consideration... they are just selfish bullies.  

 

 

actually I haven't seen much one upman ship in my village, the feasting is low key and follows a standard pattern, a pig is slaughtered and all the women get together and cook,vegetables are from the village gardens. Surprisingly not much alcohol is drunk, usually two bottles of Leo for the men, although there is more if you want it, and some lau kao of course, haven't seen much drunkenness.When you leave you are usually given some cooked food and a couple of bottles of beer to take with you.Most people only go if they know the family well although anybody is welcome, the gatherings aren't that large, about 40 people at most. At the cremation almost everybody goes to the Wat, it is expected and they seem individually to take note of who is there. Funerals don't cost that much but it is probably different in big towns or cities, where I am it is mostly just a friendly get together, I think it would be unheard off if there was no feasting to speak off, it would show a lack of respect to the deceased.

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Mrs, Mhee had he best friends Grandmother die a few days ago in Sukhothai. The funeral was short she was burned 5 days after her passing. The ceremony was short 4 days total. No big food & drink extravaganza. I took a breath and asked why and the answer was " They don't have money for a big party " everyone understands. So sensible is a common approach in some provinces.  

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