Valentine Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: Any idea what system to replace democracy To quote " Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, glenmohr said: If you wish to see infrastructure powering ahead, go to the Peoples Republic of China, but it would be a very brave man who would state that the millions folk doing the hard yards at the coal face enjoy any form of freedom I was in China last month, didn't see any oppression at all, seemed like every other country I've visited. Hardly any police around, all the business and markets seemed to be individuals making money. People seemed as happy as anywhere, women were all dressed up taking selfies on smart phones. Nobody was following me around, or even cared what I was up to, no restrictions on my travel. If you ain't been there and seen it yourself, why repeat your governments anti-China propaganda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Eric Loh said: There are elements of ‘76 in play. The sudden appearance of the Red Gaur could repeat. Agree with you that more like ‘92 and the role of Bankokians in that popular uprising. Wouldn’t like to see that happen and innocent lives lost. Hope he see the risks of delaying election and heed those warning signs. Better he step down and appoint an interim civilian PM till the election. I honestly think he may be pressured to do that. It's different to '92 in that back then there was no Thaksin so the middle class were united in opposing General Sujinda. At present many on the middle class, whilst disillusioned with Prayuth, also fear the return of Thaksin's proxies. So they really don't know who to support.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryasimight Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, glenmohr said: If you wish to see infrastructure powering ahead, go to the Peoples Republic of China, but it would be a very brave man who would state that the millions folk doing the hard yards at the coal face enjoy any form of freedom As I posted I can see it every day here, no need to go to China. This in Isaan the so called Shin heartland completely ignored until the last couple of years I hope there is a election soon but not for the reasons the reactionaries and activists claim. I don't personally know anyone who has been oppressed, reeducated or affected in any negative way, and I suspect not many other posters do either.In fact a lot of people are very happy with the improvement and expansion of the social security system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Have you ever read about Thailand's past? Are you really aware what could happen with the article 44 and a guy who's abusing the people of this country? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27419558 And please watch this one: My apologies for the bad quality of the film....[/url] It is a powerful film, and a telling reminder of what could eventually happen.Wasted on him, he probably thinks it was justifiable...Sent from my KENNY using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, bannork said: It's different to '92 in that back then there was no Thaksin so the middle class were united in opposing General Sujinda. At present many on the middle class, whilst disillusioned with Prayuth, also fear the return of Thaksin's proxies. So they really don't know who to support.. Point well noted. The awakened poor have replaced those middle class in opposing the military. More Bangkokians and middle class especially from academics have also abandon their support for the junta. They may not like Thaksin but that is less of their concern now than voicing their opposition to continue military rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 8 hours ago, PattayaAngel said: Yeah let's crush freedom everywhere! Tanks in New York too? YEAH!!! Tanks in London YEAH!!! same anywhere in the world? WHAT ARE YOU ON???? Little P's payroll or its the man himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I live in Issan..plenty improvements the last 3 years..new and upgraded hospitals, clinics,schools, roads etc...the people seem quite happySent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Smiles Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 hours ago, jenny2017 said: Have you ever had a chat with young people and listened to their thoughts? Are these the same young people who routinely murder each other with homemade guns and machetes just because they go to a different university? Tbh most young people cant find their own a$$ with both hands even on a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Smiles Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Eric Loh said: Looks like we may re-visit 1976 and 1992 if this junta continue to ignore the students and activists, Lol, I know your gagging for Thailand to be plunged into chaos but its going to take a lot more than a rent-a-mob of 200 redshirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Air Smiles said: Are these the same young people who routinely murder each other with homemade guns and machetes just because they go to a different university? Tbh most young people cant find their own a$$ with both hands even on a good day. Utter tripe. Vocational school students attack each other, not university students. As for your second sentence- just demonstrates your own lack of a good education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I lived in a UK city for 64 years before moving over here.Sadly..the violence in the UK is really shocking.My home city in the UK now has 2 areas where fire tenders..Doctors..District Nurses..Ambulances and motor bike paramedics are escorted by Police Officers.Violence is a massive global problem.Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, MaeJoMTB said: I was in China last month, didn't see any oppression at all.... I swear, some of the posters on this forum are so completely clueless they have probably been run out of their home countries. "I didn't see any oppression at all" - unbelievable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshissan Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 7 hours ago, steven100 said: He's supposed to be a politician not a supposed soldier! Get a life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton Rd Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Land of the free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABloke Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 8 hours ago, steven100 said: I don't think the UN or HRW have very much credability within the global world. True, but they have more credibility than Thailand's current Junta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 12 hours ago, robblok said: If millions are hoping for it the 200 people turnout is a bit low don't you think. Right now its a stupid thing to do. If they had say 200.000 sure... that might change thing... 200 does not change a thing and only gives the junta more excuses to hold onto power. The 200 are merely seeds that will grow. These courageous 200 realize the election will be a farce, so they don't want to waste another year waiting for the promise of an election.There may be only 200 there now, but millions are watching and thinking of joining them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Smiles Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, tropo said: The 200 are merely seeds that will grow. You make it sound like it's a new thing, but in reality this is the swan song of a dying movement abandoned long ago by its leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toughlove Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 The 200 are merely seeds that will grow. These courageous 200 realize the election will be a farce, so they don't want to waste another year waiting for the promise of an election.There may be only 200 there now, but millions are watching and thinking of joining them.I had more than 200 at my first wedding and the numb nuts here seem to think it's the start of a revolution [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terek Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I think all is better as is in Thailand and I hope no western style democracy there ever will be. Democracy is mob rule, corrupt fake lying illusion. Best system is, I think, is free market economy based on constitution and law not mob rule, it can be monarchy or constitutional republic. For what exactly these democrats are fighting? just for power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 17 hours ago, robblok said: Its stupid.. gives the junta the perfect excuse to cling onto power even longer. What's stupid is believing the Junta will ever relinquish power without an uprising. It begins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toughlove Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 What's stupid is believing the Junta will ever relinquish power without an uprising. It begins!It was over before it even started.. A complete and totally embarrassing fizzer [emoji16] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 9 hours ago, jenny2017 said: Because steven100 must be one of them who constantly lie about the the truth that uneducated people buy anything as the truth. But not the smart ones. And the smart ones are hopefully the ones who win. No more Pol Pots, Hitlers and Co. Peace, a PM who's for the people and not covering his corrupt brother while he's constantly telling others how bad corruption really is. I prefer watch lovers to liars. Please be careful what you say Jenny2017. Where did I lie about the Junta or the government ? It seems that it's the nayers who try to convince themselves that things are bad and all of thailand is going down the drain ..... yet all I read is progress, Tourist numbers are increasing, new roads, hospitals, schools, GDP is up, jobs, high speed rail .. etc .. Things are powering in Thailand .... so why say it's all going down ?????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 A post in violation of fair use policy has been removed as well as the replies. Off topic deflection posts and replies were removed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Terek said: I think all is better as is in Thailand and I hope no western style democracy there ever will be. Democracy is mob rule, corrupt fake lying illusion. Best system is, I think, is free market economy based on constitution and law not mob rule, it can be monarchy or constitutional republic. For what exactly these democrats are fighting? just for power. Democracy does allow for the majority of people to make decisions as to who will lead the government and that can lead to problems. But having unelected people with no oversight is worse. What about non western representative governments in places like Taiwan, South Korea and Japan ? Why isn't Thailand able to attain those country's high functioning status ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohy Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 As someone posted i think Prayutistan is now a much better name for thailand. Oh hail our great leader Little P someone should write a song about it .. oh he already has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 17 hours ago, steven100 said: I don't think the UN or HRW have very much credability within the global world. It's OK, as long as they have more credibility than an anti democrat like you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattayaAngel Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Just now, steven100 said: is that the rent-a-mob ? They want the right to march (in accordance with the UN charter) but you don't support the UN charter for Human Rights you support dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, PattayaAngel said: They want the right to march (in accordance with the UN charter) but you don't support the UN charter for Human Rights you support dictatorship. no ... i support peace and stability within a government. I support economic development that creates jobs and helps the poor as this government is doing. I support security, where as if they were not in control there would be an escalation in violence as has been in previous governments. Democracy is only a smoke screen, other so called democratic countries are riddled with corruption, just look at the banking system in Australia, it's a joke as the PM was an ex-banker himself, it's corrupt, they charge what they like, they do what they like, Democracy is only a word, nothing more nothing less .... How has been a democracy benefited the average joe... not very much. Thailand is ticking over with more projects running now then has been in years prior, and no one can honestly say things are down ... in fact it's all the opposite ... things are on the up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaanbanhou Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Just now, steven100 said: no ... i support peace and stability within a government. I support economic development that creates jobs and helps the poor as this government is doing. I support security, where as if they were not in control there would be an escalation in violence as has been in previous governments. Democracy is only a smoke screen, other so called democratic countries are riddled with corruption, just look at the banking system in Australia, it's a joke as the PM was an ex-banker himself, it's corrupt, they charge what they like, they do what they like, Democracy is only a word, nothing more nothing less .... How has been a democracy benefited the average joe... not very much. Thailand is ticking over with more projects running now then has been in years prior, and no one can honestly say things are down ... in fact it's all the opposite ... things are on the up. yes especially for high end watch sellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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