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[webfact]

U.S. government shutdown fizzles out as Senate deal struck

By Susan Cornwell and Richard Cowan

 

U.S. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) gestures to reporters after lawmakers struck a deal to reopen the federal government three days into a shutdown on Capitol Hill in Washington, U.S., January 22, 2018. REUTERS/Leah Millis

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. senators struck a deal on Monday to lift a three-day government shutdown as Democrats agreed to end the standoff in exchange for President Donald Trump's Republicans promising a debate on the future of young illegal immigrants.

 

Legislation to renew government funding easily won enough support in a vote in the Senate and was expected to pass the House of Representatives, allowing government to reopen through Feb 8.

 

Most Democratic lawmakers had initially opposed the funding bill, demanding that the Senate also approve protections for young undocumented immigrants known as "Dreamers."

 

Democratic leaders - worried about being blamed for a disruptive shutdown - accepted a Republican promise to hold a full Senate debate over immigration and the 700,000 Dreamers who were brought to the United States illegally as children.

 

Trump's negotiations with Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer collapsed on Friday into recriminations and fingerpointing and the deal to reopen the government was cut without him.

 

The Republican president took a new swipe at Democrats as he celebrated.

 

"I am pleased that Democrats in Congress have come to their senses," Trump said in a statement. "We will make a long term deal on immigration if and only if it's good for the country."

 

Tens of thousands of federal workers had begun closing down operations for lack of funding on Monday, the first weekday since the shutdown, but essential services such as security and defense operations had continued.

 

The shutdown undercut Trump's self-crafted image as a dealmaker who would repair the broken culture in Washington.

 

It forced Trump to cancel a weekend trip to his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida and created uncertainty around his scheduled trip this week to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

 

The U.S. government cannot fully operate without funding bills that are voted in Congress regularly. Washington has been hampered by frequent threats of a shutdown in recent years as the two parties fight over spending, immigration and other issues. The last U.S. government shutdown was in 2013.

 

Both sides in Washington had tried to blame each other for the shutdown. The White House on Saturday refused to negotiate on immigration issues until the government reopened.

 

On Monday, Trump met separately at the White House with Republican senators who have taken a harder line on immigration and with moderate Democratic Senators Joe Manchin and Doug Jones.

 

LIBERALS ANGRY

 

Some liberal groups were infuriated by the decision to reopen the government.

 

"Today's cave by Senate Democrats - led by weak-kneed, right-of-center Democrats - is why people don’t believe the Democratic Party stands for anything," said Stephanie Taylor, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee.

 

Trump was expected to sign the legislation, which would give Congress more time to try to reach agreement on a long-term spending bill that would resolve issues including immigration, border security and spending caps.

 

Markets have absorbed the shutdown drama over the last week.

 

U.S. stocks advanced on Monday as each of Wall Street's main indexes touched a record intraday level after the shutdown deal.

 

A bipartisan group of more than a dozen senators, led by Republican Susan Collins of Maine and Democrat Joe Manchin of West Virginia, crowded in front of an ornate 19th century clock in a hallway outside the Senate chamber to claim credit for the breakthrough and pledge their interest in overcoming partisan gridlock.

 

"This represents the first time in a long time that we’ll have the Senate actually functioning, working," said Republican Senator Jeff Flake.

 

While there was optimism from Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer that an immigration bill to protect Dreamers and bolster border security can pass the Senate, it was not clear that the more conservative House would accept such legislation.

 

In 2013, the Senate passed a bipartisan, comprehensive immigration bill only to see the House, controlled by Republicans, refuse to act.

 

For Jovan Rodriguez of Brooklyn, a Dreamer whose family came from Mexico when he was three years old and ultimately settled in Texas, the latest development was more of the same.

 

"Why do we have to wait - again? It's like our lives are suspended in limbo," he said. And they have been for months. I don't trust the Republicans and I don't trust (Senate Majority Leader Mitch) McConnell with just a promise. That's not good enough any more."

 

(Additional reporting David Morgan, Ginger Gibson, Amanda Becker, Blake Brittain, Susan Heavey, Steve Holland, Diane Bartz, Lucia Mutikani, Yasmeen Abdutaleb, Patricia Zengerle in Washington, Megan Davies in New York, Sharon Bernstein in Sacramento; Writing by Doina Chiacu; Editing by Alistair Bell)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-01-23

[Samui Bodoh]

14 minutes ago, webfact said:

...and the deal to reopen the government was cut without him...

 

"...and the deal to reopen the government was cut without him..."

 

I think that this is the most telling sentence in the story. What happened to the vaunted businessman who 'made the greatest' deals? He was cut out of the loop by people who wanted to get something done.

 

Speaks volumes.

 

Glad to see this is over (for now). Perhaps the Congress can actually assist the 'Dreamers' now; if ever there was a group that deserved assistance, they are it.

 

[George Bowman]

l grew up in the states but have now lived in Thailand for almost 20 years. My observations show that the politicians in both of these countries are the same. Always looking for the same thing. Much like these panhandlers in Colorado.

[MajarTheLion]

So Democrats agreed to end the standoff. At least now we don't need any more debate over who owns the shutdown. But let's also go beyond Democrats' desire to put illegal aliens over US citizens and acknowledge that they caved on their own shutdown.

[MajarTheLion]

11 minutes ago, missoura said:

l grew up in the states but have now lived in Thailand for almost 20 years. My observations show that the politicians in both of these countries are the same. Always looking for the same thing. Much like these panhandlers in Colorado.

Except the panhandlers in your photo are probably more honest and direct.

[MajarTheLion]

18 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

"...and the deal to reopen the government was cut without him..."

 

I think that this is the most telling sentence in the story. What happened to the vaunted businessman who 'made the greatest' deals? He was cut out of the loop by people who wanted to get something done.

 

Speaks volumes.

 

Glad to see this is over (for now). Perhaps the Congress can actually assist the 'Dreamers' now; if ever there was a group that deserved assistance, they are it.

 

 

Indeed, I would like to see the *Dreamers* assisted- with immediate deportation. And whether their family gets torn apart is completely up to them. I see no rule that says a person being deported can't take their family with them when they go.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, MajarTheLion said:

So Democrats agreed to end the standoff. At least now we don't need any more debate over who owns the shutdown. But let's also go beyond Democrats' desire to put illegal aliens over US citizens and acknowledge that they caved on their own shutdown.

Giving in, which is what they did, doesn't mean they owned it, that one was squarely on Trump.

 

Bad move imo from the democrats, people like you will be enforced in their opinions.

[MajarTheLion]

27 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Giving in, which is what they did, doesn't mean they owned it, that one was squarely on Trump.

 

Bad move imo from the democrats, people like you will be enforced in their opinions.

They owned it because they wanted to force DACA into the deal and were willing to shut down the government over it. Government is back open, no DACA. They started it and ended it by giving up their ransom demand.

[PhonThong]

43 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Giving in, which is what they did, doesn't mean they owned it, that one was squarely on Trump.

 

Bad move imo from the democrats, people like you will be enforced in their opinions.

Your statement makes absolutely no sense.

[siamike]

2 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

So Democrats agreed to end the standoff. At least now we don't need any more debate over who owns the shutdown. But let's also go beyond Democrats' desire to put illegal aliens over US citizens and acknowledge that they caved on their own shutdown.

The elected Democrats did exactly what they were elected to do, that being to represent the will of the people and not their own interests.  Polling has long shown that over 80% of all Americans support the DACA program which is why the Democratic party supports it.  When polling began to show that most Americans didn't believe that the government should be shut down over the DACA argument, our Democratic Representatives listened to the people and agreed to engage in the DACA battle at a later date.   

[jackh]

Dying throws of the DNC. Well done Trump! True America will not be held hostage over a bunch of illegal aliens. Now ICE needs to get back to their jobs ASAP.

 

[stevenl]

46 minutes ago, PhonThong said:

Your statement makes absolutely no sense.

And why would that be?

 

Look at the reactions here of people blaming the democrats for this, they feel empowered now and are blaming the democrats even harder. Even though Trump clearly caused this, as admitted by republicans.

[boomerangutang]

Senator Feinstein, a few days ago, addressing Trump directly: "What about a clean DACA bill now?"

 

Trump responds; "I have no problem. We're gonna to do DACA"

 

Boomer asks Trump fans:  Is Trump lying or is he BS'ing, or what?

 

 

 

 

[boomerangutang]

Look at the video I posted above.  At minute 2:15, Trump says, "Diane, go ahead" while pointing to Diane Feinstein across the table.   Yet, a second later, when Feinstein follows up on her ideas, Trump is not looking at her.  Instead, his head is swiveling like a turkey, over to a man on his left, with whom he's mumbling.  

 

It shows how Trump is such a flawed negotiator.  He asks someone a question, but then doesn't listen to that person, and (in this case) is having a whispering exchange of words with someone else.  It's not only rude, it's the opposite of negotiating.

 

To negotiate, you've got to hear what the other side is proposing.  Trump can't even get to square one.  He's doing the same on many other issues:  Iran, Nafta, TPP, CC/GW, and gun insanity in the US.   He should come out with a new book:  The Art of Breaking Deals.

[johnarth]

As an outsider I see an easy way out of this mess, the Democrats and their followers should coth up the money to look after the dreamer's problem solved. They could also take them into their homes another way they could help. to cut the cost.

[alanrchase]

As an outsider I see an easy way out of this mess, the Democrats and their followers should coth up the money to look after the dreamer's problem solved. They could also take them into their homes another way they could help. to cut the cost.

As an outsider maybe do some research on "Dreamers" before you post nonsense.

[Jingthing]

5 hours ago, johnarth said:

As an outsider I see an easy way out of this mess, the Democrats and their followers should coth up the money to look after the dreamer's problem solved. They could also take them into their homes another way they could help. to cut the cost.

The DACA people are a huge economic benefit, actually. Their collective problem is lack of papers and worrying about being deported. That's it. 

[Jingthing]

6 hours ago, jackh said:

Dying throws of the DNC. Well done Trump! True America will not be held hostage over a bunch of illegal aliens. Now ICE needs to get back to their jobs ASAP.

 

The vast majority of Americans want the DACA people to be permanently legalized. The political problem is what more the right wing anti-immigration extremists can get in return for allowing that. 

[mike324]

Boy the last time there was a shut down was during Obama's administration, Trump even tweeted in support of the shutdown! Should Trump eat his own words? Heck the shutdown was about health care bills for US citizens that Republicans don't support because they don't want Obamacare or anything to do with it.  Convenient for Trump supporters to blame the opposition, yet they don't reflect at what Republicans have done in the past. Dreamers have done more good than bad for the country.

[metisdead]

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[Bluespunk]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42785678

 

Great negotiator, my backside.

 

Man's a moron... 

[mike324]

 

19 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42785678

 

Great negotiator, my backside.

 

Man's a moron... 

It seems like what the DEM did was a good move, agree to the demands to prevent a shutdown. This is how real leaders lead, then go back to the negotiating table. Trump and the Republicans? they don't care if the government is shutdown, they just want to play the blame game.

 

Republicans want to spend billions on a paper weight Wall that mexico won't pay. But they wouldn't spend the billions on health care, education, and legalizing those that are already contributing to the society.  Thats pretty messed up.

[boomerangutang]

On 1/23/2018 at 9:30 AM, boomerangutang said:

Senator Feinstein, a few days ago, addressing Trump directly: "What about a clean DACA bill now?"

 

Trump responds; "I have no problem. We're gonna to do DACA"

 

Boomer asks Trump fans:  Is Trump lying or is he BS'ing, or what?

 

 

 

 

I notice that no Trump fans could answer my question (above).   No surprise.