webfact Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Venice restaurant bill outrages Japanese tourists The mayor of Venice has voiced outrage over the €1,100 (£970; $1,347) bill that four Japanese tourists say they had to pay for four steaks, a plate of fried fish, water and service. The four students complained to police after getting the eye-watering bill at a restaurant near St Mark's Square. Three women with them chose another restaurant - but even they ended up paying €350 for three plates of seafood pasta, Italian media report. Full story; http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42772609 -- © Copyright BBC 2018-01-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Will show this to my wife, i hope she won't ask me again of going to Venice... Italy is a beautifull country but the hotels/restaurants are bad....plus they can't speak english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffy D Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 There was a piece about Venice restaurants on the "Rip Off Britain" program just the other day. Seems in Venice the menu price is by weight not per portion. So if steak is priced at whatever on the menu it is just for say an ounce, so 5 ounce steak will cost 5 times the shown price. And of course they bring huge platefuls of food so that sends the price up even further. Not a cheap place to eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I guess they have never gone to a really nice restaurant in Tokyo...because that is about what the bill would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelomsak Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, tonray said: I guess they have never gone to a really nice restaurant in Tokyo...because that is about what the bill would be. That was my thought too. I felt Japanese would be used to prices like that. Japan is very expensive to eat in restarants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Thian said: Will show this to my wife, i hope she won't ask me again of going to Venice... Italy is a beautifull country but the hotels/restaurants are bad....plus they can't speak english. It's beautiful, no English spoken. Sound excellent, any more positives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 When I travel, I often just buy a loaf of good bread, an avocado, a few sweet peppers, and make sandwiches. Healthier than anything in a restaurant, and it doesn't thin out my wallet. p.s. it's a good thing I travel solo. If I had a wife, she'd be telling me non-stop, what a cheap-charlie I am, ......'kee neeo,' with a Thai wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 36 minutes ago, tonray said: I guess they have never gone to a really nice restaurant in Tokyo...because that is about what the bill would be. Depends on which kind of restaurant , if you go to a top restaurant , those may be the prices , but if you go to a normal restaurant , prices would be a lot cheaper . It depends on whether this restaurant in question was expensive restaurant or cheaper restaurant over charging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, boomerangutang said: When I travel, I often just buy a loaf of good bread, an avocado, a few sweet peppers, and make sandwiches. Healthier than anything in a restaurant, and it doesn't thin out my wallet. p.s. it's a good thing I travel solo. If I had a wife, she'd be telling me non-stop, what a cheap-charlie I am, ......'kee neeo,' with a Thai wife. I think we might be twins separated at birth... because when I travel alone... It's about getting away.. With the gf it's about the amenities at the resort... sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, stevenl said: It's beautiful, no English spoken. Sound excellent, any more positives? It isn't England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) "In 30 years the city has lost half its fixed population." The death of Venice: Corrupt officials, mass tourism and soaring ... Edited January 23, 2018 by Enoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Interesting that Venice has just been included as one of the destinations to avoid.... https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/places-to-avoid-2018/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton Rd Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Bloody hell going in a few weeks, do they have 7/11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 2 hours ago, lovelomsak said: That was my thought too. I felt Japanese would be used to prices like that. Japan is very expensive to eat in restarants You can eat pretty cheap in the Ramen-bars and simple restaurants at the street/station...We eat a sushi-platter and so at Ueno railwaystation and it wasn't that expensive (also not very good though but not bad). If you eat Katsu curry or so just along the street in a place with tables/chairs it will cost around 300 baht i think....not that much...a Mc meal in Amsterdam costs about the same. We were in Italy in a grouptour this year, 4* hotels including breakfast/dinner...many times nobody ate the dinner because it was so crappy...and the breakfast also is not what i would call breakfast buffet. And the hotels sure were not 4stars, even didn't have seaview like promised. I can sue them easy for that but am too lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaanbanhou Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Tourists in Venice were charged more than $600 for a lunch they claim they didn't order — and this is a more common scam than you'd expect Nov 7, 2017 http://www.thisisinsider.com/venice-tourists-lunch-bill-scam-2017-11 Mayor proud restaurant ripped off ‘cheapskate’ tourists https://nypost.com/2017/11/14/mayor-proud-restaurant-ripped-off-cheapskate-tourists It's a shame the internet isn t in Japanese. A simple google search would have saved them a lot of grief. The Brits in the first article paid 526 Euros for their lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, isaanbanhou said: Tourists in Venice were charged more than $600 for a lunch they claim they didn't order — and this is a more common scam than you'd expect Nov 7, 2017 http://www.thisisinsider.com/venice-tourists-lunch-bill-scam-2017-11 Mayor proud restaurant ripped off ‘cheapskate’ tourists https://nypost.com/2017/11/14/mayor-proud-restaurant-ripped-off-cheapskate-tourists It's a shame the internet isn t in Japanese. A simple google search would have saved them a lot of grief. The Brits in the first article paid 526 Euros for their lunch. Japan has no internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuang Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I thought this happens only in Thailand with all the comments on TVF.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaanbanhou Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, watcharacters said: Japan has no internet? oh they do? my internet is in english only, then they had the opportunity not to be scammed, just as I did when AirAsia charged me $400 for an extra 20 kg of luggage on a flight from Guangzhou to BKK that the airline ticket cost $375 for seat, 20 kg of luggage and a meal. I believe the greeks used to greet each other by saying " caveat emptor" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, chuang said: I thought this happens only in Thailand with all the comments on TVF.... Italy has many things in common with thailand, they also have a lot of maffia... But italiens have very good manners in traffic and they make touristic spots absolutely perfect. We never got cheated in italy and the people have good manners. In fact along the italien coast is a much better place to retire than in thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, isaanbanhou said: oh they do? my internet is in english only, then they had the opportunity not to be scammed, just as I did when AirAsia charged me $400 for an extra 20 kg of luggage on a flight from Guangzhou to BKK that the airline ticket cost $375 for seat, 20 kg of luggage and a meal. I believe the greeks used to greet each other by saying " caveat emptor" Greeks speak and spoke Greek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 51 minutes ago, isaanbanhou said: Tourists in Venice were charged more than $600 for a lunch they claim they didn't order — and this is a more common scam than you'd expect Nov 7, 2017 http://www.thisisinsider.com/venice-tourists-lunch-bill-scam-2017-11 Mayor proud restaurant ripped off ‘cheapskate’ tourists https://nypost.com/2017/11/14/mayor-proud-restaurant-ripped-off-cheapskate-tourists It's a shame the internet isn t in Japanese. A simple google search would have saved them a lot of grief. The Brits in the first article paid 526 Euros for their lunch. In Japan.. The Internet is in Japanese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaanbanhou Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, stevenl said: Greeks speak and spoke Greek. ok, well travelled greeks greeted each other in Latin saying caveat emptor ...let the buyer beware. in the future I will note sarcasm with an astericks (*) so that some posters don t misunderstand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrahamzvi Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Thian said: Will show this to my wife, i hope she won't ask me again of going to Venice... Italy is a beautifull country but the hotels/restaurants are bad....plus they can't speak english. I entirely disagree. Hotels are expensive, as everywhere in bigger cities in Europe, the Americas and Australia and NZ. The restaurants, at least most of them, are very reasonable. My wife, daughter and myself were in Venice last year and had good meals in very nice centrally located restaurants for very reasonable prices , some EUR50. Of course, if one chooses luxury 2-3 Stars restaurants, or if one is unlucky and visits a restaurant owned or managed by crooks, one pays a fortune, but this can happen anywhere - Paris, London, Melbourne, or even in Bangkok. By the way , we found that most waiters in or owners of the restaurants we frequented did speak English, albeit not perfectly, but good enough to be understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Venice is on Trip Advisor 7 places Not to visit..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgdanson Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 5 hours ago, boomerangutang said: When I travel, I often just buy a loaf of good bread, an avocado, a few sweet peppers, and make sandwiches. Healthier than anything in a restaurant, and it doesn't thin out my wallet. p.s. it's a good thing I travel solo. If I had a wife, she'd be telling me non-stop, what a cheap-charlie I am, ......'kee neeo,' with a Thai wife. On a two week holiday? Avocado butties every day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgdanson Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 2 hours ago, tonray said: Tourists in Venice were charged more than $600 for a lunch they claim they didn't order But they still ate the food 'they didn't order' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike324 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 "Italian media did not name the restaurant, but said it was owned by a Chinese woman and run by an Egyptian." The chinese are known to not like japanese, perhaps this is the reason why the japanese were scammed too? I've visited Rome once, went inside a restaurant and the servers started opening champagne and pouring it for everybody on the table. We thought it was complimentary given how cheap wine and champagne can be in europe. I think many tourist fall for this trick into thinking, what good service and complimentary drinks in the beginning of the meal, these restaurants owners know tourist won't return so they don't care about repeat businesses. Needless to say, when we check the bill, we were charged for the champagne. We tried to argue, they said we didn't say we did not want it. We ordered a lot of food too, and they over charge us for one extra dish, which we got it removed, but they accidentally removed two dishes as it was a heated talk. They ended up removing two dishes from the bill, call it karma. This was not a one off occurrence, we visited several italian restaurants during our 1 week trip, perhaps 1/3 of the restaurants will pull this champagne scam on us - needless to say we quickly tell them we don't want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dap Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Enoon said: "In 30 years the city has lost half its fixed population." The death of Venice: Corrupt officials, mass tourism and soaring ... And I hear it's sinking as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 4 hours ago, isaanbanhou said: a lunch they claim they didn't order To be fair the tourists did eat the food rather than rejecting it as food they didn't order. You eat, you pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 hours ago, abrahamzvi said: I entirely disagree. Hotels are expensive, as everywhere in bigger cities in Europe, the Americas and Australia and NZ. The restaurants, at least most of them, are very reasonable. My wife, daughter and myself were in Venice last year and had good meals in very nice centrally located restaurants for very reasonable prices , some EUR50. Of course, if one chooses luxury 2-3 Stars restaurants, or if one is unlucky and visits a restaurant owned or managed by crooks, one pays a fortune, but this can happen anywhere - Paris, London, Melbourne, or even in Bangkok. By the way , we found that most waiters in or owners of the restaurants we frequented did speak English, albeit not perfectly, but good enough to be understood. In the big italien cities they speak a little english but not in the smaller ones or along the coast in touristic villages. But Venice is very nice and worth some extra costs i think, it's of a whole different level than thailand which only has malls to visit. In Italy you can also drink coffee for 18 euro a cup, if you go sit on a terrace at a very busy place in Rome it's possible...but if you stand at the bar while drinking coffee it is much cheaper.. But this issue with the Japanese will be solved i assume, italy is not thailand and they sure know how to deal with issues. Guess that restaurant will get big problems soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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