SURVEY: Do you want Trump to finish his first term?

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, Johnniey said:

Simple -  Do you support impeachment?

 

Why the need for evidence.

Oh no! I knew that Thaivisa had moderators but not that they had a Grand Inquisitor.

I'm going to settle back in my comfy chair and steel myself as best I can.

 

"Why the need for evidence."

Why are you citing Trump's motto?

 

[The manic]

35 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

In fact, any person older than 5 most likely wouldn't believe your sources. Stick with that 5 year old.

The same self delusion and arrogance that won trump the election. HRC is a criminal. Why did she use a private server and deletes her emails and destroy her mobile phones? Guilt and criminality. That's why. A womb entitled woman hater and hypocrite. 

Edited June 29, 2018 by The manic

[Johnniey]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

Actually my post was far less offense and arrogant than yours.  I made no comment on the intelligence of Trump voters, even though research on their average education levels would have made that easy.    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

Wow,  you'll be saying black people are less intelligent than white next?

Would you think a fair democracy would be to give intelligent voters like yourself 2 votes and a lower IQ person 1 vote?

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, The manic said:

The same self delusion and arrogance that won trump the election. HRC is a criminal

Really?  When was she convicted of a crime?

[Johnniey]

5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Oh no! I knew that Thaivisa had moderators but not that they had a Grand Inquisitor.

I'm going to settle back in my comfy chair and steel myself as best I can.

 

"Why the need for evidence."

Why are you citing Trump's motto?

 

Stop the BS, do you support impeachment? Hardly a difficult question. If you don't want anyone to know, just say so.

Keep this on topic please.

Edited June 29, 2018 by Johnniey

[bristolboy]

Just now, Johnniey said:

Stop the BS, do you support impeachment? Hardly a difficult question.

Keep this on topic please.

Thank you for providing an example of irony.

[The manic]

Just now, Johnniey said:

Stop the BS, do you support impeachment? Hardly a difficult question.

Keep this on topic please.

No grounds for impeachment and I hope for a second term. The best president since Lincoln 

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, Johnniey said:

Wow,  you'll be saying black people are less intelligent than white next?

Would you think a fair democracy would be to give intelligent voters like yourself 2 votes and a lower IQ person 1 vote?

I realize you'd love to make this topic about anything other than Trump, but stop claiming my posts say things they don't.

 

[The manic]

Just now, Johnniey said:

Stop the BS, do you support impeachment? Hardly a difficult question.

Keep this on topic please.

Do you support prosecution of HRC, Bill and and investigation into the corrupt Clinton foundation ? Stop the C and keep to related topics. You lost ...live with it.

Edited June 29, 2018 by The manic

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, The manic said:

No grounds for impeachment and I hope for a second term. The best president since Lincoln 

Trillion dollar deficits, played for a fool by Kim Jong Un, breaking international deals instead of making them, alienating allies and praising dictators...

 

Lincoln never did any of these things.

[Thakkar]

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Really?  When was she convicted of a crime?

 

When? Every day.

Where? Inside the heads of people on a steady diet of Fox/Infowars/RT

[Johnniey]

2 minutes ago, The manic said:

Do you support prosecution of HRC, Bill and and investigation into the corrupt Clinton fund? Stop the C and keep to related topics.

This is off topic.

 

I asked the guy a simple question which is related to the thread title. He refuses to answer it for some reason.

[Johnniey]

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I realize you'd love to make this topic about anything other than Trump, but stop claiming my posts say things they don't.

 

You said Trump supporters are less intelligent that Clinton ones, even giving a website saying such. There are similar ones saying different races have lower IQs, so what does this prove? Your vote is worth more?

[bristolboy]

12 minutes ago, Johnniey said:

Stop the BS, do you support impeachment? Hardly a difficult question.

Keep this on topic please.

Your incisive questioning has put me on the ropes. I give in, GI.

No, I don't support impeachment. I'd rather the next Congress, if the House goes Democratic, and in the rather more unlikely case that the Senate does,  start legislating popular bills that Trump and other Republicans stifle. Show the country what real populism looks like, not this counterfeit of making the powerful more powerful and the middle and working classes weaker Even in the exceedinglly unlikely event that Trump gets voted out of office by the Senate, that would only mean President don't-leave-me-alone-with-a-woman Pence, who actually seems to actually believe in all the causes of the social conservatives and then some.

[Johnniey]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Your incisive questioning has put me on the ropes. I give in, GI.

No, I don't support impeachment. I'd rather the next Congress, if the House goes Democratic, and in the rather more unlikely case that the Senate does,  start legislating popular bills that Trump and other Republicans stifle. Show the country what real populism looks like, not this counterfeit of making the powerful more powerful and the middle and working classes weaker Even in the exceedinglly unlikely event that Trump gets voted out of office by the Senate, that would only mean President don't-leave-me-alone-with-a-woman Pence, who actually seems to actually believe in all the causes of the social conservatives and then some.

Thanks, a simple, "no" would have sufficed.

[heybruce]

30 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Actually my post was far less offensive and arrogant than yours.  I made no comment on the intelligence of Trump voters, even though research on their average education levels would have made that easy.    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

 

25 minutes ago, Johnniey said:

Wow,  you'll be saying black people are less intelligent than white next?

Would you think a fair democracy would be to give intelligent voters like yourself 2 votes and a lower IQ person 1 vote?

 

21 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I realize you'd love to make this topic about anything other than Trump, but stop claiming my posts say things they don't.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Johnniey said:

You said Trump supporters are less intelligent that Clinton ones, even giving a website saying such. There are similar ones saying different races have lower IQs, so what does this prove? Your vote is worth more?

Is it asking too much that you engage your brain and read what you are commenting on? 

 

Or is your post another attempt to make this topic about something other than Trump?

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, Johnniey said:

Thanks, a simple, "no" would have sufficed.

You mean like when replying to some people, it's best to keep your answer simple.

[Johnniey]

16 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

You mean like when replying to some people, it's best to keep your answer simple.

No.

[Andaman Al]

7 hours ago, The manic said:

The same self delusion and arrogance that won trump the election. HRC is a criminal. Why did she use a private server and deletes her emails and destroy her mobile phones? Guilt and criminality. That's why. A womb entitled woman hater and hypocrite. 

Colin Powell used a private server and deleted his emails.

The Bush administration deleted 5 million White House emails pertaining to the Iraq War and nobody has ever been held to account or investigated.

You scream too much.

 

7 hours ago, Johnniey said:

 

Would you think a fair democracy would be to give intelligent voters like yourself 2 votes and a lower IQ person 1 vote?

You deserve the Nobel Prize for such a brilliant idea that could prevent future global generations suffering because utter retards are able to vote in an utter retard. You are a genius.

 

In fact while we are at it, we spend a great deal of time selecting people to ensure they are capable of filling the demands of a particular job. Wannabee Astronauts and fighter Pilots cannot even get off the starting blocks until they are fully tested to ensure they are "the right stuff". A few checks to ensure someone is worthy of sitting in the oval office would be nice. A comprehensive background check and tests to ensure the candidate is not a pathological liar, narcissist corrupt cheat, has integrity and is trustworthy etc etc would save a nation a lot more strife and money than allowing a tool to be an astronaut (for example). I am amazed that "We the People" don't simply demand it.

[lannarebirth]

2 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

Colin Powell used a private server and deleted his emails.

The Bush administration deleted 5 million White House emails pertaining to the Iraq War and nobody has ever been held to account or investigated.

You scream too much.

 

You deserve the Nobel Prize for such a brilliant idea that could prevent future global generations suffering because utter retards are able to vote in an utter retard. You are a genius.

 

In fact while we are at it, we spend a great deal of time selecting people to ensure they are capable of filling the demands of a particular job. Wannabee Astronauts and fighter Pilots cannot even get off the starting blocks until they are fully tested to ensure they are "the right stuff". A few checks to ensure someone is worthy of sitting in the oval office would be nice. A comprehensive background check and tests to ensure the candidate is not a pathological liar, narcissist corrupt cheat, has integrity and is trustworthy etc etc would save a nation a lot more strife and money than allowing a tool to be an astronaut (for example). I am amazed that "We the People" don't simply demand it.

 

It's a good suggestion, but if that were the case, Bernie Sanders would have run unopposed through the primaries and would have been appointed president in November as he would then also have been unopposed.

[heybruce]

27 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

It's a good suggestion, but if that were the case, Bernie Sanders would have run unopposed through the primaries and would have been appointed president in November as he would then also have been unopposed.

Getting off topic, but while I liked Bernie's ideas, I was unimpressed by his accomplishments as a politician.  The gadfly that stings the mighty is rarely prepared to lead.  I would prefer an unimaginative competent leader to a brilliant incompetent leader.

 

That being said, Bernie would have been so much better than Trump.

[lannarebirth]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Getting off topic, but while I liked Bernie's ideas, I was unimpressed by his accomplishments as a politician.  The gadfly that stings the mighty is rarely prepared to lead.  I would prefer an unimaginative competent leader to a brilliant incompetent leader.

 

That being said, Bernie would have been so much better than Trump.

 

I would have voted for Bernie but he's not that great compared to say someone like Nader.  Bernies real legacy is that people were so enraged by the transparent manner in which he was conspired against by the DNC and others they voted against that party.  That's the takeaway from that election. Not some deplorables living in the sticks, but the deplorable exercising of power flagrantly and no media to call bullshit on it. THAT was the so called "threat to democracy" we hear so much about.  I don't see too many people coming to terms with that and they'll probably be schocked again, next time things don't go the way they are supposed to. 

[NanLaew]

I am not a Trump aficionado but give him a full, two terms please.

 

Because the GOP don't have a single, viable, alternative leader and the Democrats have even less.

 

Any impeachment would result in a dangerously fractious and profoundly clueless conservative free-for-all whereas any (very unlikely) partial Democrat house leadership would just lead to years of flaky, disjointed, acrimonious tit-for-tat battles on the Hill while America loses it's new found greatness.

 

Apart from that, it would make it look like Americans individually and personally made bad choices when they ticked Trump's box.

[heybruce]

9 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I would have voted for Bernie but he's not that great compared to say someone like Nader.  Bernies real legacy is that people were so enraged by the transparent manner in which he was conspired against by the DNC and others they voted against that party.  That's the takeaway from that election. Not some deplorables living in the sticks, but the deplorable exercising of power flagrantly and no media to call bullshit on it. THAT was the so called "threat to democracy" we hear so much about.  I don't see too many people coming to terms with that and they'll probably be schocked again, next time things don't go the way they are supposed to. 

Nader destroyed his legacy as a consumer rights advocate and will now be remembered as the man who swung the 2000 election from Gore to Bush.  The Bush presidency speaks for itself.  That's what voting for third party candidates that have no chance of success leads to, the worst candidate wins.

 

The DNC worked to get the life-long Democrat elected.  They should have done it openly instead of covertly, but I find their transgressions small compared to Trump's.

[heybruce]

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

I am not a Trump aficionado but give him a full, two terms please.

 

Because the GOP don't have a single, viable, alternative leader and the Democrats have even less.

 

Any impeachment would result in a dangerously fractious and profoundly clueless conservative free-for-all whereas any (very unlikely) partial Democrat house leadership would just lead to years of flaky, disjointed, acrimonious tit-for-tat battles on the Hill while America loses it's new found greatness.

 

Apart from that, it would make it look like Americans individually and personally made bad choices when they ticked Trump's box.

A large minority of US voters did make a bad choice when they chose Trump.  Most of the world recognizes that.

 

What new found greatness of America's are you referring to?

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I would have voted for Bernie but he's not that great compared to say someone like Nader.  Bernies real legacy is that people were so enraged by the transparent manner in which he was conspired against by the DNC and others they voted against that party.  That's the takeaway from that election. Not some deplorables living in the sticks, but the deplorable exercising of power flagrantly and no media to call bullshit on it. THAT was the so called "threat to democracy" we hear so much about.  I don't see too many people coming to terms with that and they'll probably be schocked again, next time things don't go the way they are supposed to. 

 

34 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I would have voted for Bernie but he's not that great compared to say someone like Nader.  Bernies real legacy is that people were so enraged by the transparent manner in which he was conspired against by the DNC and others they voted against that party.  That's the takeaway from that election. Not some deplorables living in the sticks, but the deplorable exercising of power flagrantly and no media to call bullshit on it. THAT was the so called "threat to democracy" we hear so much about.  I don't see too many people coming to terms with that and they'll probably be schocked again, next time things don't go the way they are supposed to. 

 "I would have voted for Bernie.." Someone who regularly cites right wing economists, whose criticisms of actual Trump achievements are remarkably tepid, and whose constantly tries to work negative comments about  Clinton in relation to Trump  into unrelated conversations is very unlikely to be a Sanders supporter.

 

And had Sanders been the candidate the "socialist" label would have sunk his candidacy. That and the fact the he was really quite ignorant. Let's hope the Elizabeth Warren or someone like her gets to be the Democratic candidate. You know, a true and knowledgeable populist.

[bristolboy]

29 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Nader destroyed his legacy as a consumer rights advocate and will now be remembered as the man who swung the 2000 election from Gore to Bush.  The Bush presidency speaks for itself.  That's what voting for third party candidates that have no chance of success leads to, the worst candidate wins.

 

The DNC worked to get the life-long Democrat elected.  They should have done it openly instead of covertly, but I find their transgressions small compared to Trump's.

Actually, as pointed out in a great article in slate by Jordan Weissman, the efforts of the Democratic leadership were remarkably ineffective. And what Sanders supporters seem unable to acknowledge is that Sanders did best in caucuses, which are much less democratic than primaries since they favor people with lots of spare time on their hands. 

[riclag]

47 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

I am not a Trump aficionado but give him a full, two terms please.

 

Because the GOP don't have a single, viable, alternative leader and the Democrats have even less.

 

Any impeachment would result in a dangerously fractious and profoundly clueless conservative free-for-all whereas any (very unlikely) partial Democrat house leadership would just lead to years of flaky, disjointed, acrimonious tit-for-tat battles on the Hill while America loses it's new found greatness.

 

Apart from that, it would make it look like Americans individually and personally made bad choices when they ticked Trump's box.

 The majority of TVF members  are agreeing with you ,at least with the 1 st. term.The entertainment survey just leaped to a whopping 30 vote lead, 2 months ago it was single digits.Despite all of the  name calling  and attacks on him and his supporters. Despite the deranged Dem's calling for resistance,harassment and impeachment ,the majority here still want to see him succeed .

Thanks 

Edited June 30, 2018 by riclag

[heybruce]

15 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

 

 "I would have voted for Bernie.." Someone who regularly cites right wing economists, whose criticisms of actual Trump achievements are remarkably tepid, and whose constantly tries to work negative comments about  Clinton in relation to Trump  into unrelated conversations is very unlikely to be a Sanders supporter.

 

And had Sanders been the candidate the "socialist" label would have sunk his candidacy. That and the fact the he was really quite ignorant. Let's hope the Elizabeth Warren or someone like her gets to be the Democratic candidate. You know, a true and knowledgeable populist.

I'll go with someone like Elizabeth Warren.  Warren will be 71 in 2018.  The Democrats need to groom a younger generation of leaders.

 

[heybruce]

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

TVF members  are agreeing with you ,at least with the 1 st. term.The entertainment survey just leaped to a whopping 30 vote lead, 2 months ago it was single digits.Despite all of the  name calling  and attacks on him and his supporters. Despite the deranged Dem's calling for resistance,harassment and impeachment ,the majority here still want to see him succeed .

Thanks 

The "majority" here, less than 400 TVF members, want to see Trump finish his first term.  It's safe to assume a large number of them believe the harm done by removing Trump and making Pence president outweighs the harm of letting Trump blunder on for the remainder of his term.