Why Doesnt "Me Too" Apply to Democrats?

[attrayant]

6 minutes ago, hstew said:

Comey is EXPOSED big time.

 

For what?

[Thaidream]

I seriously doubt the Dossier was the only evidence presented for a FISA warrant. As everyone knows-Carter Page was already under surveillance since 2013 due to Russia exposure.  The FBI could have gotten the warrant without even mentioning the dossier.

 

In addition, Congressman Nunes and other Republicans have no direct knowledge of what the evidence presented was- he even admits that. The Memo is merely  an assertion of what they think happened.  The sole purpose is to throw doubt on the Mueller investigation.  Even if everything in the dossier is correct- it doesn't matter,   Trump rises and falls on other things- potential money laundering; using the Presidency to enrich himself and his family;  obstruction of justice and much more,

 

Stop being fooled by Trump and his Republican bootlickers- he knows the noose is tightening and he's running scared.

[attrayant]

2 minutes ago, hstew said:

if you have to ask, you are OTL (out to ....)

 

In other words, you don't know.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, hstew said:

There's a new "teflon Don" in town now...Washington town that is.

 

Hillary/DNC PAYING for the steel dossier, the damn stupid FBI use it for a FISA warrant (w/o stating the salient details in the application).

 

If anyone needs vindication, it is Clinton, Comey, FBI, DOJ, etc. Rosenstein keeps his job for now, but Comey is EXPOSED big time.

 

Good on them, they caught with their pants down on this one.

The research leading to the dossier was initially funded by a Republican.  The DNC then funded additional research, but Hillary was not part of it.  Parts of the dossier that had been verified by the intelligence community using other sources were used to justify the FISA warrant.  The Republican memo claims that the political origins of the dossier were not sufficiently explained to the FISA judge.  Even if this is true, it is unlikely it would have prevented the approval of the warrant.

 

In other words, this memo is the biggest nothing burger to date.

[hstew]

23 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The research leading to the dossier was initially funded by a Republican.  The DNC then funded additional research, but Hillary was not part of it.  Parts of the dossier that had been verified by the intelligence community using other sources were used to justify the FISA warrant.  The Republican memo claims that the political origins of the dossier were not sufficiently explained to the FISA judge.  Even if this is true, it is unlikely it would have prevented the approval of the warrant.

 

In other words, this memo is the biggest nothing burger to date.

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According to the head of the FBI' s counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its "infancy" at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele's reporting as only minimally corroborated.  Yet, in early January 2017, Director Corney briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was-according to his June 2017 testimony-"salacious and unverified." While the FISA application relied on Steele's
past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations. Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information

 

Edited February 4, 2018 by hstew
MYOB

[hstew]

2 hours ago, attrayant said:

 

In other words, you don't know.

It seems you need help, just ask, perhaps you can learn something. Take a look around you, see what you are NOT seeing. It's not so difficult.

[hstew]

28 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The research leading to the dossier was initially funded by a Republican.  The DNC then funded additional research, but Hillary was not part of it.  Parts of the dossier that had been verified by the intelligence community using other sources were used to justify the FISA warrant.  The Republican memo claims that the political origins of the dossier were not sufficiently explained to the FISA judge.  Even if this is true, it is unlikely it would have prevented the approval of the warrant.

 

In other words, this memo is the biggest nothing burger to date.

Hillary seems to be involved in everything dodgy while losing to Trump.

 

"Steele was paid over $160,000 by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary for America (Clinton campaign) for his dossier. Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials."

[attrayant]

1 minute ago, hstew said:

It seems you need help, just ask

 

I did that two hours ago:

 

 

You had no answer.

 

 

[heybruce]

10 minutes ago, hstew said:

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According to the head of the FBI' s counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its "infancy" at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele's reporting as only minimally corroborated.  Yet, in early January 2017, Director Corney briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was-according to his June 2017 testimony-"salacious and unverified." While the FISA application relied on Steele's
past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations. Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information

 

I would like to know the source and the context that said the dossier was "only minimally corroborated".

 

Context is important.  The "salacious and unverified" comment referred specifically to the Russian prostitute portion of the dossier, not the other parts verified by the intelligence community.

 

I think the judge was smart enough to deduce that the dossier was not put together by someone who was pro-Trump.

2 minutes ago, hstew said:

Hillary seems to be involved in everything dodgy while losing to Trump.

 

"Steele was paid over $160,000 by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary for America (Clinton campaign) for his dossier. Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials."

Do you really think the judge would have ruled differently if he had been told the dossier had been funded by both Democrats and Republicans, instead of just being told the dossier had been funded with political motives?

[wayned]

If someone were to ask Trump if anybody in his family suffered from insanity, his answer would most likely be "No we all quite enjoy it"!

[Tug]

to me it just looks like a sleazy criminal trying to beat a case due to a possible mistake by the prosecution god I hope we are rid of him soon!

[ballpoint]

The Republicans were so convinced that Trump had illicit dealings with Moscow that they initiated an investigation into them, hoping that they could be used to stop Trump from becoming their candidate.  When it became clear that Trump was going to be that candidate, they stopped paying for the investigation.  Not because they found out the truth, not because they were satisfied that he was in the clear, but because they wanted to get in power, and no longer cared about his past.  Seems to me that any competent prosecutor could have a field day with that one: "So, you had enough reason to believe in Trump's collusion with the Russians that you actually paid for an investigation into it, but then dropped that investigation.  Why?  Because it reached a conclusion?"  "No, we dropped it because we are self serving, power hungry hypocrites, and we no longer wanted to know the truth when Trump became our man."  The Democrats simply picked up the dropped baton and ran with it.  As the Mueller investigation slowly but surely untangles the web of deceit and treason, the bleating from the Trump camp becomes more frantic.   "It's a witch hunt."  "A waste of time."  "But someone on the team had a sister whose classmate's boyfriend's uncle once tweeted something bad about Trump."  "But, but Hillary!"  

[joecoolfrog]

Honestly if this memo is regarded as explosive then Trump is in real trouble. It basicly just reafirms what the Orange Clown has been crying about all along , that he is as innocent as a child and bad people have it in for him.

The only way this investigation will end is if the president fires everybody connected with it. The problem being that the constitutional crisis that would follow would probably mean him getting a prison haircut .

 

[Langsuan Man]

25 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

It basicly just reafirms what the Orange Clown has been crying about all along , that he is as innocent as a child and bad people have it in for him.

Yeah, and when in school they let me write my own report card 

[wayned]

I suspect that the next installment will be the release of the democratic memo by the intelligence committee.  I can imagine that the Trump team is doing everything that they can to have the committee not release it but Nunes might have a problem especially with Trey Gowdy.  If it does get released I doubt that Trump will release it because it would refute the memo that he says vindicates him.  And the sideshow continues  but Mueller is still the ring master, but for how long?

[ilostmypassword]

20 hours ago, hstew said:

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According to the head of the FBI' s counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its "infancy" at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele's reporting as only minimally corroborated.  Yet, in early January 2017, Director Corney briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was-according to his June 2017 testimony-"salacious and unverified." While the FISA application relied on Steele's
past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations. Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information

 

I like the way you underlined that sentence. It makes it look like a link without being a link. And I know why you didn't make an actual link. Because if you had, it would have linked to the Nunes report where that assertion about McCabe was made. In other words, you're citing the Nunes report to support the Nunes repost. Circular reasoning much? The Democrats say that McCabe didn't say that. Only that the Steel Dossier was one part of the warrant request. Of course, we can't read the democratic response because Trump hasn't cleared it yet. Wonder why?

"In response to the Republican memo, which outlines surveillance violations by the U.S. government, Democrats have created their own report that reportedly rebuts the GOP memo, claiming that the document mischaracterized what McCabe said about the significance of the dossier.

Rather, the Democratic memo, which has yet to be released, asserts that McCabe used the information contained in the dossier as part of a broader trove of material used for a FISA application to spy on former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, Carter Page, sources told the New York Times. As both the Times' sources and the Democrats have said, that evidence also included details about Page's contacts with a Russian intelligence operative in 2013."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/doubt-cast-upon-nunes-memos-bombshell-claim-about-andrew-mccabes-testimony-on-trump-dossier/article/2647990

 

[Trouble]

On 2/3/2018 at 7:11 PM, worgeordie said:

Oh !,no it does not,Donald,maybe one of the most

corrupt presidents the U.S.A has ever had,and its had some,

he has only been in power for 1 year,so expect much more

to be divulged in coming years,if he lasts that long.

regards worgeordie

Now your speaking of corruption?  Collusion has been what the investigation has been about. So please do tell us what has been divulged thus far.  Seems to date we have seen no evidence released that there was any collusion between Trump and the Russians. If true, even McCabe said but for the made up dossier there would have been no FISA warrant. Hard to refute testimony that high up in the FBI. I now anxiously await the release of the Democrats memo.   Hopefully before you and others have given their opinions you've had sense enough to read the four page memo for yourself rather than rely on the news coverage. That's why all this needs to be released. Difficult for the American public to know what to think filtered thru the news media.

 

No matter where one sits on this issue, there is no doubt that the lack of faith in this investigative process, at all levels, leaves one wanting more transparency. The fact that the memo was classified at all, is shocking and a good reason not to trust the government. The highest classification seems to come for protecting agencies and individuals from being embarrassed.

Edited February 5, 2018 by Trouble

[heybruce]

24 minutes ago, Trouble said:

Now your speaking of corruption?  Collusion has been what the investigation has been about. So please do tell us what has been divulged thus far.  Seems to date we have seen no evidence released that there was any collusion between Trump and the Russians. If true, even McCabe said but for the made up dossier there would have been no FISA warrant. Hard to refute testimony that high up in the FBI. I now anxiously await the release of the Democrats memo.   Hopefully before you and others have given their opinions you've had sense enough to read the four page memo for yourself rather than rely on the news coverage. That's why all this needs to be released. Difficult for the American public to know what to think filtered thru the news media.

" Seems to date we have seen no evidence released that there was any collusion between Trump and the Russians."

 

However we have seen evidence of attempts at collusion with Russia from officials in the Trump campaign, including Don Jr. 

[stevenl]

8 hours ago, Trouble said:

Now your speaking of corruption?  Collusion has been what the investigation has been about. So please do tell us what has been divulged thus far.  Seems to date we have seen no evidence released that there was any collusion between Trump and the Russians. If true, even McCabe said but for the made up dossier there would have been no FISA warrant. Hard to refute testimony that high up in the FBI. I now anxiously await the release of the Democrats memo.   Hopefully before you and others have given their opinions you've had sense enough to read the four page memo for yourself rather than rely on the news coverage. That's why all this needs to be released. Difficult for the American public to know what to think filtered thru the news media.

 

No matter where one sits on this issue, there is no doubt that the lack of faith in this investigative process, at all levels, leaves one wanting more transparency. The fact that the memo was classified at all, is shocking and a good reason not to trust the government. The highest classification seems to come for protecting agencies and individuals from being embarrassed.

"No matter where one sits on this issue, there is no doubt that the lack of faith in this investigative process, at all levels, leaves one wanting more transparency."

Nonsense, the investigation is ongoing, no need and unwise to make it more transparent.

[ilostmypassword]

8 hours ago, Trouble said:

Now your speaking of corruption?  Collusion has been what the investigation has been about. So please do tell us what has been divulged thus far.  Seems to date we have seen no evidence released that there was any collusion between Trump and the Russians. If true, even McCabe said but for the made up dossier there would have been no FISA warrant. Hard to refute testimony that high up in the FBI. I now anxiously await the release of the Democrats memo.   Hopefully before you and others have given their opinions you've had sense enough to read the four page memo for yourself rather than rely on the news coverage. That's why all this needs to be released. Difficult for the American public to know what to think filtered thru the news media.

 

No matter where one sits on this issue, there is no doubt that the lack of faith in this investigative process, at all levels, leaves one wanting more transparency. The fact that the memo was classified at all, is shocking and a good reason not to trust the government. The highest classification seems to come for protecting agencies and individuals from being embarrassed.

Yes, that's the way criminal investigations have alwaysk and universally been carried out: with lots of transparency. Nothing quite like alerting potential targets  that you're investigating them and letting the general public in on it too.

[wayned]

Get ready for the next circus act!  The House  Intelligence Committee (oxymoron?) has voted to release the 10 page democratic response letter and send it on to the white house for approval.  The question is will Trump block it since it might just un-vindicate him.  My bet is that he won't or it will be redacted to the point where there will be 10 black pages.

 

The latest is that he "jokingly" said that the democrats committed treason when they didn't clap during his STOU speech, he has given Adam Schiff the nickname of "Little Adam" and Pence is taking Otto Warmbier's father with him to the Olympics to protest North Korea's participation.  It just goes on and on and would receive an Academy award if it was a movie, but it's not.

[FritsSikkink]

Trump has lost the plot completely now:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-democrats-muted-state-of-the-union-reaction-treasonous-un-american/ar-BBIKaKk?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartandhp

[FritsSikkink]

Nunes "forgot" something in his memo:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nunes-admits-fbi-included-‘footnote’-explaining-political-link-to-carter-page-warrant/ar-BBIKwbn?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

[attrayant]

17 hours ago, wayned said:

The latest is that he "jokingly" said that the democrats committed treason when they didn't clap during his STOU speech

 

A lot of people didn't think it was a joke.  Merriam-Webster, upon seeing lookups for the word rise nearly six thousand percent, posted an FYI on its FB page to let people know just who has a vocabulary deficit: