azooba Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 hello everybody, both me and my wife are foreigners living in thailand, we hold business visas and regular work permit, we are expecting our first baby in 3 months. does anyone know, what will be baby "visa/citizenship" status ?? will he/she get any special thai visa / citizenship benefits ??? thanks for your help . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 Your baby will be an alien child and get a special birth certificate that says it. He can be entered into a house registration if you know someone at the local amphur office, but the child is NOT a Thai citzen and must have a visa just like any other foreigner. As long as your visas are up to date, no worries about the new baby until the new baby makes his first trip outside of Thailand. He will need a passport to leave and if he wants to come back, he will need a visa. The only benefit I have heard is that the baby might have an easier time applying for permanent residency, but I don't know how much easier of a time. Also, my oldest son has a 30 baht health care card, how he got it, I don't know, but knowing someone at the Amphur Office, they put him on a house registration form. From everything I know, this was incorrect, but this is Thailand. Thai nationality is only passed on when a parent is a Thai national. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkk_mike Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 Thai nationality is only passed on when a parent is a Thai national. I thought you could also get Thai Nationality if you're born in Thailand and both (either?) of your parents have permanent residency status. i.e. You definitely can't if you're in on a visa, or a visa extension, but I thought permanent residency status changed things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 You can get Thai citizenship if you are born overseas to a thai parent as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britainmal Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 If you have PR status then, You can give your child Thai citizenship. Foreigners with PR or just a working visa and permit are intitled to the 30 baht health card. The child does not necessarily need a visa to leave and reenter Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azooba Posted May 15, 2004 Author Share Posted May 15, 2004 Not for the thai citizenship very much, but I am more concerned about the VISA for my child (due in 3 months time). Will he have to get a visa to re-enter once he leaves Thailand?? How can he/she benefit by being born in Thailand?? Do I have to register the birth somewhere in the immigration department?? Someone even told me that "any child born" in Thailand, can decide at age of 18 weather he/she wants a thai citizenship or not?? Is it true?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astral Posted May 15, 2004 Share Posted May 15, 2004 Not for the thai citizenship very much, but I am more concerned about the VISA for my child (due in 3 months time). Will he have to get a visa to re-enter once he leaves Thailand?? How can he/she benefit by being born in Thailand?? Do I have to register the birth somewhere in the immigration department??Someone even told me that "any child born" in Thailand, can decide at age of 18 weather he/she wants a thai citizenship or not?? Is it true?? Make sure you register the child's brth with your own Embassy to make sure he/she gets your nationality and eventually a passport!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted May 15, 2004 Share Posted May 15, 2004 there are no overstay fees for children under the age of 7. So effectively a child can stay till then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azooba Posted May 15, 2004 Author Share Posted May 15, 2004 thank you everybody out there for the required info, but i am still not clear about how will the baby re-enter Thailand. will he/she require to obtain THAI VISA?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britainmal Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 I think a foreign child with no Thai blood will have the same visa requirements as their non-thai blood family members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_Pat_Pong Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 thank you everybody out there for the required info, but i am still not clear about how will the baby re-enter Thailand. will he/she require to obtain THAI VISA?? The child needs to enter Thailand on a visa but can overstay with no problems up until it is 7 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britainmal Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Not necessarily you need a visa. It depends on your visa status. If you don't leave the country you don't need a visa because the baby can stay until he is age of majority , which then he may or may not need a visa. If you have PR now, The baby is a Thai citizen. The baby can still get a foreign passport and citzen, but don't tell the embassy of the Thai passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azooba Posted May 18, 2004 Author Share Posted May 18, 2004 Only I got the "Work Permit" (not PR), and wife is just a "housewife" and have one year visa on behalf of my work permit. my question now is : Any possibility to apply "Thai Citizenship" for my baby ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 azooba, the answer is no unfortunately. You probably have lots of questions. A good place where most of these are answered in on the Thai embassy site in Washington DC. http://www.thaiembdc.org/index.htm When you get there, click on "Consular Services", then "Consular Informations", and the "To aquire Thai nationality". There is a nifty table saying when and how Thai nationality is passed to the Children Cheers Samran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Someone even told me that "any child born" in Thailand, can decide at age of 18 weather he/she wants a thai citizenship or not?? Is it true??No.Any possibility to apply "Thai Citizenship" for my baby ?? You can probably apply, or at least try to apply. But do not believe the chance of success is great as someone has already posted parents have needed PR for this to be approved. However, like many things, rules do not seem to be set in stone and there could be some chance depending on how they interpret the laws. Politically it is more possible today than yesterday from newspaper reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Someone even told me that "any child born" in Thailand, can decide at age of 18 weather he/she wants a thai citizenship or not?? Is it true?? No. There is a common myth that just being born on a country's soil infers automatic citizenship to a person. This used to be the case for many countries up until the early 80's. No longer. The only notable exceptions are the US and Ireland where this is still possible. Most nations now require that at least one parent be officially settled/be a permanent resident or citizen, for a new born child to gain the nationality of the country they were born in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward B Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Most nations now require that at least one parent be officially settled/be a permanent resident or citizen, for a new born child to gain the nationality of the country they were born in. I agree. In addition, (and I would like this confirmed by anyone) if one of the parents is Thai, then the baby is automatically a Thai citizen. I say this because my 2 month old baby is officially a Thai citizen according to his birth certificate, even though I wrote Australian nationality on the application form. Although I can always apply for Australian citizenship later, based on decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Most nations now require that at least one parent be officially settled/be a permanent resident or citizen, for a new born child to gain the nationality of the country they were born in. I agree. In addition, (and I would like this confirmed by anyone) if one of the parents is Thai, then the baby is automatically a Thai citizen. I say this because my 2 month old baby is officially a Thai citizen according to his birth certificate, even though I wrote Australian nationality on the application form. Although I can always apply for Australian citizenship later, based on decent. I can confirm this. check out the link I posted to the Thai embassy in the US. I have dual thai - australian nationality by virtue of my mother being Thai, even though I was born in OZ. By the looks of the law, my kids (no matter when and where I have them) will be able to get Thai nationality as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutethaigirl Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Hi what by definition is an "illegal" or "legal" alien when applied below. Born within the Territory of the Kingdom of Thailand Case Nationality of Father Nationality of Mother Matrimony Status Nationality of the Child 1 Thai Thai Register Thai 2 Thai Thai No Thai 3 Thai Legal Alien Register Thai 4 Thai Legal Alien No Thai 5 Thai Illegal Alien Register Thai 6 Thai Illegal Alien No Thai 7 Legal Alien Thai Register Thai 8 Legal Alien Thai No Thai 9 Illegal Alien Thai Register Thai 10 Illegal Alien Thai No Thai 11 Legal Alien Legal Alien Register Thai 12 Legal Alien Legal Alien No Thai 13 Legal Alien Illegal Alien Register Cannot acquire Thai Nationality 14 Legal Alien Illegal Alien No Cannot acquire Thai Nationality 15 Illegal Alien Legal Alien Register Cannot acquire Thai Nationality 16 Illegal Alien Legal Alien No Cannot acquire Thai Nationality 17 Illegal Alien Illegal Alien Register Cannot acquire Thai Nationality 18 Illegal Alien Illegal Alien No Cannot acquire Thai Nationality First column father, 2nd mother, Registered marriage, nationality of child CT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azooba Posted May 18, 2004 Author Share Posted May 18, 2004 Thank you everybody for sharing your valuable information with me. Appretiate it. I will welcome any further comments from others. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britainmal Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 I recommend you get Thai PR so, you and your child can obtain Thai citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutethaigirl Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 I recommend you get Thai PR What is 'PR' please? CT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britainmal Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 PR is Permanent Residence. No, Samran not necsaessary that is true. If you are born in a country and you family is legally living there not just residence or citizenship I mean work permit the baby will acquire citizenship. This is the law in all western countries. They don't issue a separate birth cetificates like Thailand that states you are a foreigner or citizen unlike Thailand. Most Western Countries will make the child a citizen and parent not if they are not legal, but if the family is illegal then the family can be removed from the country including the baby and baby can acquire citizenship at the age of majority. The law has not changed involving this samran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 PR is Permanent Residence. No, Samran not necsaessary that is true. If you areborn in a country and you family is legally living there not just residence or citizenship I mean work permit the baby will acquire citizenship. This is the law in all western countries. They don't issue a separate birth cetificates like Thailand that states you are a foreigner or citizen unlike Thailand. Most Western Countries will make the child a citizen and parent not if they are not legal, but if the family is illegal then the family can be removed from the country including the baby and baby can acquire citizenship at the age of majority. The law has not changed involving this samran. which countries?? Please show me a law which says (for instance) that a child born in the UK to a work permit holder is eligable for UK nationality. Please show me a law which state a child born in Australia to an Australian workpermit holder is eligable for Australian citizenship. Please show me a law which state a child born in Spain to an Spainsh workpermit holder is eligable for Spainish citizenship. I could go on, but again, you'd be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britainmal Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 No, what I said was the child can get the citizenship autommatically or they have to wait until they are the age of majority for leagl workers even illegals too. This is why there are boats migrants illegally entering western countries. The parants cannot get citizenship, the child can ; either at the time of birth or latter on. Also they can declare themselves stateless ,which is a better way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azooba Posted May 21, 2004 Author Share Posted May 21, 2004 Where is the MOST reliable place to go and find about applying for "Thai Citizenship" for the newly born babies?? Should I go to the Sathorn Immigration Office and check about it?? Or which department?? Should I look for a good lawyer or go straight to the immigration for this information?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_Pat_Pong Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Where is the MOST reliable place to go and find about applying for "Thai Citizenship" for the newly born babies?? Should I go to the Sathorn Immigration Office and check about it?? Or which department?? Should I look for a good lawyer or go straight to the immigration for this information?? What is your present nationality Azooba ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azooba Posted May 21, 2004 Author Share Posted May 21, 2004 Both me and my wife hold "Indian Citizenship". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_Pat_Pong Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Both me and my wife hold "Indian Citizenship". You will not get citizenship for the child. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azooba Posted May 22, 2004 Author Share Posted May 22, 2004 Ohh.. okay.. Well.. anyhow, THANKS everybody for your guidance.. appretiate your help.. Take Care !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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