Chinese paper says U.S. should learn from China, restrict guns, protect rights

[Johnnyngai]

20 hours ago, car720 said:

regardless of what the statistics may say, and anyone who has studied stats can tell you just how rubbery they are, the proof is in the pudding.  Ask anyone who lives here if he believes the people are poor.

The big city Chinese who could afford to send their only child to schools with white English teachers,

would think that everybody is just as rich as them. 

If the average Chinese were so rich,

then why do so many millions of them work 60 hours a week in factories for only 3000rmb a month ?

There are rich people in any country.  Even African countries have wealthy black citizens.

It is all about the ratio of rich to poor.  

[Johnnyngai]

1 hour ago, zydeco said:

The mass murderers in China use the government, because they are the government.

There are as many mass burners in China, as there are mass shooters in the USA. 

Even since the economic developments of the mid 1980s,

countless thousands of farmers have become the victims of land grapping.   

There were cases of land grapping victims setting off gasoline inside big city buses.

News is controlled by the government, I read about them in English language Taiwanese newspapers. 

 

[tonbridgebrit]

18 hours ago, Morch said:

 

 

Funny how such things have a way of sorting themselves in the PRC:

 

China sets stage for Xi to stay in office indefinitely

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-politics/china-sets-stage-for-xi-to-stay-in-office-indefinitely-idUSKCN1G906W

 

Think I'll still choose the US, warts and all.

Not having to worry about getting killed whenever you step out of your house is very important, right ?
Surely, that's more important than having to tolerate the political leader being there for two decades or a bit longer ?

[EVENKEEL]

Didn't realize how wonderful China was. I'm sold.....hahahhaa not. For the folks living great lives in China, good for you. I've yet to read about folks lining up to immigrate there. 

 

If you feel so unsafe in the US you must be living in some bad areas. If you feel safe anywhere walking around at 3am, I'd have to call you naïve. 

[tonbridgebrit]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Didn't realize how wonderful China was. I'm sold.....hahahhaa not. For the folks living great lives in China, good for you. I've yet to read about folks lining up to immigrate there. 

 

If you feel so unsafe in the US you must be living in some bad areas. If you feel safe anywhere walking around at 3am, I'd have to call you naïve. 

So, hardly anybody wants to migrate to China ?  Well, as far as I know, not many people in countries like Britain, France and Germany want to move to America. I myself have no desire to move to America, part of the reason is, is that I don't want to get killed. Actually, the mass shootings in Las Vegas and Florida dis-courage me from going on holiday to America, let alone going there for a job. And I'd much rather stay in a country like Thailand, rather than America.

And the mass shootings we have seen. The mass shootings in Las Vegas and Florida, they didn't happen in bad areas,  I don't think they happened in places that were poor or rough. And the mass shootings in America's schools, I don't think they're more likely to happen in poor and rough areas. They seem to happen in random areas.


About feeling safe. It's all relative. I feel safer walking around in Pattaya or Bangkok at night time, rather than London. I think New York and Los Angeles are just as dangerous as London. No, they're more dangerous than London.
 

Edited February 26, 2018 by tonbridgebrit

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

China doesn't want its citizens to have guns so they can't mount any armed resistance against the government oppression they endure or to be able to force any change in those ruling the country.

 

That said, the Chinese do have a valid point. To have human rights, you have to be able to stay alive. And sadly, far far too many Americans die from gun violence while the U.S. national government does virtually nothing to stop the ongoing drip-drip slaughters.

 

A sensible middle ground, a compromise approach, would be to outlaw rapid fire assault weapons, increase and really seriously enforce the vetting and background checks required to obtain guns in general, and still allow individual (non-auto) handgun ownership.

 

The latter element is perhaps not something I would personally prefer. But I'd offer it as part of a compromise solution recognizing the role of the 2nd Amendment in the U.S. legal heritage.

 

However, clearly the gun nuts aren't interested remotely in any kind of compromise, as shown by the NRA's recent stance opposing the vastly mild proposal in Florida to raise the gun purchase age from 18 to 21. It would seem, there's just no compromising with those folks.

 

 

 

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

59 minutes ago, tonbridgebrit said:

So, hardly anybody wants to migrate to China ?  Well, as far as I know, not many people in countries like Britain, France and Germany want to move to America. I myself have no desire to move to America, part of the reason is, is that I don't want to get killed. Actually, the mass shootings in Las Vegas and Florida dis-courage me from going on holiday to America, let alone going there for a job. And I'd much rather stay in a country like Thailand, rather than America.

And the mass shootings we have seen. The mass shootings in Las Vegas and Florida, they didn't happen in bad areas,  I don't think they happened in places that were poor or rough. And the mass shootings in America's schools, I don't think they're more likely to happen in poor and rough areas. They seem to happen in random areas.


About feeling safe. It's all relative. I feel safer walking around in Pattaya or Bangkok at night time, rather than London. I think New York and Los Angeles are just as dangerous as London. No, they're more dangerous than London.
 

I have a little girl in Thailand and have no plans to go elsewhere. Can't disagree with anything you wrote. The US is a stressful place anymore.

[Morch]

17 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

They have a tendency to sort themselves out in predictable ways. Western industrialists will lobby their home governments to maintain favorable,to China and themselves, trade and business, and investment and taxation relations. No one will call it treasonous behaviour because that's who we are now. And it didn't start with Trump.

 

Nice little deflection post. May want to re-read and address in the context in which it was made. Nothing to do with "Western industrialists", "treasonous behavior" etc.

 

[Morch]

4 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Not having to worry about getting killed whenever you step out of your house is very important, right ?
Surely, that's more important than having to tolerate the political leader being there for two decades or a bit longer ?

 

I don't recall ever being worried about getting killed stepping out of my house, when I lived in the US. Other than in your hyperbole posts, doubt that's an everyday experience for most Americans. As for the rest of your nonsense - what price freedom?

[Morch]

2 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

So, hardly anybody wants to migrate to China ?  Well, as far as I know, not many people in countries like Britain, France and Germany want to move to America. I myself have no desire to move to America, part of the reason is, is that I don't want to get killed. Actually, the mass shootings in Las Vegas and Florida dis-courage me from going on holiday to America, let alone going there for a job. And I'd much rather stay in a country like Thailand, rather than America.

And the mass shootings we have seen. The mass shootings in Las Vegas and Florida, they didn't happen in bad areas,  I don't think they happened in places that were poor or rough. And the mass shootings in America's schools, I don't think they're more likely to happen in poor and rough areas. They seem to happen in random areas.


About feeling safe. It's all relative. I feel safer walking around in Pattaya or Bangkok at night time, rather than London. I think New York and Los Angeles are just as dangerous as London. No, they're more dangerous than London.
 

 

More nonsense.

 

Whatever you claim under "as far as I know" is meaningless and unsupported by anything much. Moreover, people not fancying up moving to the US has nothing to with making the PRC a preferable choice. Seeing as Chinese choose the US is actually more telling.

 

Your personal preferences are your own, not an indication of general trends. As for your your newly acquired hyperbolic paranoia, again - not a reality, other than in sensationalist headlines or specific areas. The sort of faux generalizations offered is bogus, and the reasoning, faulty.

 

All of your usual anti-US bs, doesn't make the PRC a first rate choice, or even a better one than the US.

 

[riclag]

On 2/24/2018 at 8:09 AM, car720 said:

Unfortunately not true.

I live in China and I can walk down the street at 3am in the morning without fear of molestation or mugging.  As can any woman.  The people here are genuinely friendly and hospitable.

The individual in China is much wealthier than the individual in the USA.

Can you talk about your once leader Mao like Americans can about their President's. What about freedom of press?

[riclag]

13 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Not sure about the decadence part, but I completely agree that the empire is drawing to an end. Sure, the military may remain enormous for decades to come. But, the economy will continue to wither, compared to other giants, like China, and India. So will the cultural influence, as Hollywood is going downhill fast, and the pop singers of today do not have much to contribute. America will no longer be the place to be, as it will become harder and harder to get good paying jobs, the overall quality of life there is a pale shadow of what it used to be, for all but the top 5%, and the xenophobic visa policies will continue to discourage the best and the brightest from around the world from working there. Due to an outdated quota system, the US has not attracted that group, for quite some time. Trump is accelerating the process of decline, with countless policies completely lacking in vision, wisdom, or intelligence. 

 

Little DT. - The art of I cannot make a deal to save my life.

The economy is doing just fine .America is still feeding off of Mr. Obama's tenure. America will continue to be even greater. We brought 5 trillion dollars back from other countries .We are taking care of American's first. We will take care of our disadvantaged first before we let in other disadvantaged,come from other countries. We aren't perfect,we are recovering from 40 years of globalism gone viral 

Edited February 26, 2018 by riclag

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

18 minutes ago, riclag said:

Can you talk about your once leader Mao like Americans can about their President's. What about freedom of press?

 

Of course they have freedom of press in China -- -- freedom to print and broadcast just exactly what the government tells them to print and broadcast, or face going to jail.

 

If I said half the things I've said about Trump of the Chinese president, I'm sure there would be a prison camp and or firing squad awaiting me...

 

However, the Chinese are still correct when they point out that DEAD Americans due to gun violence don't have any human rights... because they're DEAD!

Edited February 26, 2018 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[riclag]

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Of course they have freedom of press in China -- -- freedom to print and broadcast just exactly what the government tells them to print and broadcast, or face going to jail.

 

If I said half the things I've said about Trump of the Chinese president, I'm sure there would be a prison camp and or firing squad awaiting me...

 

However, the Chinese are still correct when they point out that DEAD Americans due to gun violence don't have any human rights... because they're DEAD!

You had a A+ until you mentioned the Chinese are still correct

[lannarebirth]

5 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Nice little deflection post. May want to re-read and address in the context in which it was made. Nothing to do with "Western industrialists", "treasonous behavior" etc.

 

 

Not a deflection at all. I agreed with you and was giving insight into steps 2 and 3. Step one has been known for years.

Treasonous isn't the right word, it almost never is when you read it here. How's disloyal sound?

[bheard]

The big city Chinese who could afford to send their only child to schools with white English teachers,
would think that everybody is just as rich as them. 
If the average Chinese were so rich,
then why do so many millions of them work 60 hours a week in factories for only 3000rmb a month ?
There are rich people in any country.  Even African countries have wealthy black citizens.
It is all about the ratio of rich to poor.  

Ratio or not, when you've got upwards of 1.5 Billion, the number of feet pounding the pavement is large.

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[spidermike007]

9 hours ago, riclag said:

The economy is doing just fine .America is still feeding off of Mr. Obama's tenure. America will continue to be even greater. We brought 5 trillion dollars back from other countries .We are taking care of American's first. We will take care of our disadvantaged first before we let in other disadvantaged,come from other countries. We aren't perfect,we are recovering from 40 years of globalism gone viral 

 

Could you please explain how America is taking care of it's disadvantaged? You might want to start with the extreme homeless population in your own state. 

[overherebc]

On 25/02/2018 at 12:54 PM, Morch said:

 

 

Funny how such things have a way of sorting themselves in the PRC:

 

China sets stage for Xi to stay in office indefinitely

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-politics/china-sets-stage-for-xi-to-stay-in-office-indefinitely-idUSKCN1G906W

 

Think I'll still choose the US, warts and all.

 

 

 

 

On BBC now, all done and dusted, behind closed doors,  and social media sites getting deleted as we type on here.

Looks like he's in for life now.

Edited February 27, 2018 by overherebc

[Morch]

11 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Not a deflection at all. I agreed with you and was giving insight into steps 2 and 3. Step one has been known for years.

Treasonous isn't the right word, it almost never is when you read it here. How's disloyal sound?

 

At best, you're trying to co-opt my post to your point of view, which doesn't really have much to do with mine.

[lannarebirth]

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

At best, you're trying to co-opt my post to your point of view, which doesn't really have much to do with mine.

You posted a link to a news article. Did you have a point of view too? I may have missed that.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

You posted a link to a news article. Did you have a point of view too? I may have missed that.

 

Either that or you've ignored it intentionally. Whatever.

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

Either that or you've ignored it intentionally. Whatever.

I'm not ignoring it. I just went back and looked and I still don't see it. I was commenting on the link you posted.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

I'm not ignoring it. I just went back and looked and I still don't see it. I was commenting on the link you posted.

[riclag]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Could you please explain how America is taking care of it's disadvantaged? You might want to start with the extreme homeless population in your own state. 

Billions in the USA

Edited February 27, 2018 by riclag

[spidermike007]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

Could you please explain how America is taking care of it's disadvantaged? You might want to start with the extreme homeless population in your own state. 

 

Billions in the USA

 

Only someone who lives within the top 10%, can make a claim such as this one. Billions in the US? What does that mean? What is that backed up by? Where does that number come from? Your jaundiced views on welfare and food stamps?

 

America’s homeless population has risen this year for the first time since the Great Recession, propelled by the housing crisis afflicting the west coast, according to a new federal study.

The study has found that 553,742 people were homeless on a single night this year, a 0.7% increase over last year. It suggests that despite a fizzy stock marketand a burgeoning gross domestic product, the poorest Americans are still struggling to meet their most basic needs.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/america-homeless-population-2017-official-count-crisis

 

The GDP of America is an astronomical $18 trillion. To put it in perspective, if California seceded from the United States, it would have the eighth largest GDP of all the countries in the world (just beating out Italy).

When you start to consider just how much money exists in America, it makes the fact that we even have homelessness seems all the more absurd.

Depending on where you live across the country, you may have different ideas about how prolific the homeless situation is in this country. That’s why stats can help make the realities a bit more clear.

So the question is: how bad is homelessness in America, really?

 

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-bad-is-homelessness-in-america-really_us_58f6916de4b0c892a4fb736f

 

The great shrinking of the middle class that has captured the attention of the nation is not only playing out in troubled regions like the Rust Belt, Appalachia and the Deep South, but in just about every metropolitan area in America, according to a major new analysis by the Pew Research Center.

Pew reported in December that a clear majority of American adults no longer live in the middle class, a demographic reality shaped by decades of widening inequality, declining industry and the erosion of financial stability and family-wage jobs. But while much of the attention has focused on communities hardest hit by economic declines, the new Pew data, based on metro-level income data since 2000, show that middle-class stagnation is a far broader phenomenon.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/11/the-middle-class-is-shrinking-just-about-everywhere-in-america/?utm_term=.fae6bd8761f3

 

 

[riclag]

Just now, spidermike007 said:

 

Only someone who lives within the top 10%, can make a claim such as this one. Billions in the US? What does that mean? What is that backed up by? Where does that number come from? Your jaundiced views on welfare and food stamps?

 

America’s homeless population has risen this year for the first time since the Great Recession, propelled by the housing crisis afflicting the west coast, according to a new federal study.

The study has found that 553,742 people were homeless on a single night this year, a 0.7% increase over last year. It suggests that despite a fizzy stock marketand a burgeoning gross domestic product, the poorest Americans are still struggling to meet their most basic needs.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/america-homeless-population-2017-official-count-crisis

 

The GDP of America is an astronomical $18 trillion. To put it in perspective, if California seceded from the United States, it would have the eighth largest GDP of all the countries in the world (just beating out Italy).

When you start to consider just how much money exists in America, it makes the fact that we even have homelessness seems all the more absurd.

Depending on where you live across the country, you may have different ideas about how prolific the homeless situation is in this country. That’s why stats can help make the realities a bit more clear.

So the question is: how bad is homelessness in America, really?

 

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-bad-is-homelessness-in-america-really_us_58f6916de4b0c892a4fb736f

 

The great shrinking of the middle class that has captured the attention of the nation is not only playing out in troubled regions like the Rust Belt, Appalachia and the Deep South, but in just about every metropolitan area in America, according to a major new analysis by the Pew Research Center.

Pew reported in December that a clear majority of American adults no longer live in the middle class, a demographic reality shaped by decades of widening inequality, declining industry and the erosion of financial stability and family-wage jobs. But while much of the attention has focused on communities hardest hit by economic declines, the new Pew data, based on metro-level income data since 2000, show that middle-class stagnation is a far broader phenomenon.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/11/the-middle-class-is-shrinking-just-about-everywhere-in-america/?utm_term=.fae6bd8761f3

 

 

 

"Your jaundiced views on welfare and food stamps"? I don't respond to insults,nice try

[lannarebirth]

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Only someone who lives within the top 10%, can make a claim such as this one. Billions in the US? What does that mean? What is that backed up by? Where does that number come from? Your jaundiced views on welfare and food stamps?

 

America’s homeless population has risen this year for the first time since the Great Recession, propelled by the housing crisis afflicting the west coast, according to a new federal study.

The study has found that 553,742 people were homeless on a single night this year, a 0.7% increase over last year. It suggests that despite a fizzy stock marketand a burgeoning gross domestic product, the poorest Americans are still struggling to meet their most basic needs.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/america-homeless-population-2017-official-count-crisis

 

The GDP of America is an astronomical $18 trillion. To put it in perspective, if California seceded from the United States, it would have the eighth largest GDP of all the countries in the world (just beating out Italy).

When you start to consider just how much money exists in America, it makes the fact that we even have homelessness seems all the more absurd.

Depending on where you live across the country, you may have different ideas about how prolific the homeless situation is in this country. That’s why stats can help make the realities a bit more clear.

So the question is: how bad is homelessness in America, really?

 

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-bad-is-homelessness-in-america-really_us_58f6916de4b0c892a4fb736f

 

The great shrinking of the middle class that has captured the attention of the nation is not only playing out in troubled regions like the Rust Belt, Appalachia and the Deep South, but in just about every metropolitan area in America, according to a major new analysis by the Pew Research Center.

Pew reported in December that a clear majority of American adults no longer live in the middle class, a demographic reality shaped by decades of widening inequality, declining industry and the erosion of financial stability and family-wage jobs. But while much of the attention has focused on communities hardest hit by economic declines, the new Pew data, based on metro-level income data since 2000, show that middle-class stagnation is a far broader phenomenon.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/11/the-middle-class-is-shrinking-just-about-everywhere-in-america/?utm_term=.fae6bd8761f3

 

 

 

Technology to the rescue:

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/security-robots-are-monitoring-the-homeless-in-san-francisco-2017-12

 

I thought it was satire when I first read it.

[tonbridgebrit]

On 2/26/2018 at 10:18 AM, EVENKEEL said:

I have a little girl in Thailand and have no plans to go elsewhere. Can't disagree with anything you wrote. The US is a stressful place anymore.

Hello there, thanks for your response.

Okay, about the gun problem in America, what is the solution ?

Well, I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but I do accept that drafting in laws to quickly remove guns is not a good idea. Yes, drafting in new laws will simply take guns away from law-abiding citizens, criminals will still have guns. How about this ? Having a so-called handgun will make people feel more safe. I think that, not many Americans have them semi-automatic assault rifles.  Why would anybody want to have three assault rifles, and two thousand rounds of ammunition ?  Is it really for self-defence reasons ?
So, how about draft in new laws, that will limit how much ammunition a man can have, and only allow people to have ONE semi-automatic assault rifle ?  And even this law, it will become law in six months time, not today. This removes the sense of shock to the pro-gun people. And then, give it time, draft in more laws, that will reduce the number of guns in America.


In other words, slowly reduce the number of guns in America.

[lannarebirth]

1 hour ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Hello there, thanks for your response.

Okay, about the gun problem in America, what is the solution ?

Well, I'm certainly not in favour of guns, but I do accept that drafting in laws to quickly remove guns is not a good idea. Yes, drafting in new laws will simply take guns away from law-abiding citizens, criminals will still have guns. How about this ? Having a so-called handgun will make people feel more safe. I think that, not many Americans have them semi-automatic assault rifles.  Why would anybody want to have three assault rifles, and two thousand rounds of ammunition ?  Is it really for self-defence reasons ?
So, how about draft in new laws, that will limit how much ammunition a man can have, and only allow people to have ONE semi-automatic assault rifle ?  And even this law, it will become law in six months time, not today. This removes the sense of shock to the pro-gun people. And then, give it time, draft in more laws, that will reduce the number of guns in America.


In other words, slowly reduce the number of guns in America.

 

How will the removal of extraneous assault weapons and the ignoring of handguns make anyone feel safer? It is the handguns that kill more than 20 times more people than do rifles (assault weapons included). Personally I think it is a racist issue. A white kid (and it is always a white kid) killing his classmates with a rifle is more emotive than the domestic violence and street crime we read about everyday and have become innured to. I blame the media in part. They raise the profile of the most emotive issues to drive readership and the consequence has been that people seem to care the most about the things that affect them the least. And thus the status quo is maintained.

[Credo]

5 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

How will the removal of extraneous assault weapons and the ignoring of handguns make anyone feel safer? It is the handguns that kill more than 20 times more people than do rifles (assault weapons included). Personally I think it is a racist issue. A white kid (and it is always a white kid) killing his classmates with a rifle is more emotive than the domestic violence and street crime we read about everyday and have become innured to. I blame the media in part. They raise the profile of the most emotive issues to drive readership and the consequence has been that people seem to care the most about the things that affect them the least. And thus the status quo is maintained.

You have been hammering on about handguns in nearly all of these threads.   Handguns are, indeed, more dangerous, but they are not a hot button issue at this point.   The mass shootings, in which virtually no one is safe and which  kill  indiscriminately is the current flavor.  People can defend themselves to a degree from a handgun, but there is virtually no defense against the assault-type weapons.   

 

Baby steps, lannarebirth, baby steps.