PM Prayut satisfied with Thailand’s improvement in graft index

[peperobi]

19 minutes ago, robblok said:

I think your mistaken how the CPI gets their information, you should read up. They collect it from other sources.

What about other sources? They are sure connected with the government and the government take control of all the information.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, peperobi said:

What about other sources? They are sure connected with the government and the government take control of all the information.

https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2017

 

The index, which ranks 180 countries and territories by their perceived levels of public sector corruption according to experts and businesspeople

 

So it does not get its information from the goverment but from other sources. 

[wealthychef]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Announced by the global civil society organization leading the fight against corruption known as Transparency International, the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) 2017 placed Thailand at number 96 out of 180 countries surveyed. Last year, the country was ranked 101st. 

This ranking change does NOT mean Thailand improved.  It's quite as likely that 5 other countries simply got worse than Thailand and that nothing changed here.  

[Matt96]

2 minutes ago, wealthychef said:

It's quite as likely that 5 other countries simply got worse than Thailand and that nothing changed here.

so other 5 countries got worse, and Thailand avoided this? also good achievement!

[wealthychef]

7 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

so other 5 countries got worse, and Thailand avoided this? also good achievement!

So not changing anything is a good achievement?  If your standards are low, I suppose you are right.  Maybe a better way to measure things would be to ask, "what specifically changed such that we can say we are less corrupt this year?"   I'm ignorant of the basis of these rankings but I can't believe that this shows real progress.  Just look at the watch scandal.  

[Matt96]

1 minute ago, wealthychef said:

So not changing anything is a good achievement?  

not getting worse while other did is achievement

[robblok]

16 minutes ago, wealthychef said:

This ranking change does NOT mean Thailand improved.  It's quite as likely that 5 other countries simply got worse than Thailand and that nothing changed here.  

Your observation is valid.. but it could also mean Thailand improved as 10 countries improved a lot but not as much as Thailand..

 

I mean you can reason this all the way you want without proof it means nothing. 

 

I am not saying your wrong.. I am saying your argument works both ways.

[OldSiamHand]

1 hour ago, Matt96 said:

i did not say this. I just say that all "studies" of transparency international is biased in benefit of it's masters.

 

so it's not a valuable proof of corruption at all.  but it's a proof that Thai government does not act according to American interests. which is a wonderful news for all Thais.

please share link as evidence of this bias.

[newnative]

Deeply disturbing that he would be 'satisfied' with such a dismal score.

[KiChakayan]

Has Tasmania become independent? On the map it looks darker than the mainland. I don't believe too much what I see here, New Zealand used to top the Transparency International rankings.

[Happyman58]

All i can say gee the other countries must be real bad because corruption is well and truely in place here. From top to bottom

[Media1]

somebody that is incompetent is easily happy lol

[wealthychef]

46 minutes ago, robblok said:

Your observation is valid.. but it could also mean Thailand improved as 10 countries improved a lot but not as much as Thailand..

 

I mean you can reason this all the way you want without proof it means nothing. 

 

I am not saying your wrong.. I am saying your argument works both ways.

I agree, it's actually an argument that it's better to focus on issues rather than rankings, and it seems to me that taking credit for essentially treading water, while obvious corruption takes place in public view, is disingenuous at best. 

 

[semiotically]

1 hour ago, Matt96 said:

as you wish!

Matt I generally agree with your perspective, the international media want the circus 'opposing' parties, it's generally all a distraction e.g. the watch drama (no-one reports the $21 trillion missing in US army accounting as reported by forbes).  It's true, love of international media/ omniscience/ religion is held above any assessment of character.

What Westeners we don't get is that Thailand's problems to certain extent play out in plain view and are reported on so though it looks messy, the problem will generally get fixed.  In the West we use sarcasm to protect our egos from the fact we don't know our leaders, it's so pathetic we have to call them globalists, internationalists etc, everything is hidden by national security; then we congratulate one another there are no real problems (because they're hidden) & democracy is working great...  Take your pick...

 

Tempted to go out and print UK for Prayut t-shirt, worth more than a 1000 begruntled moans online...

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[MrPatrickThai]

6 hours ago, yellowboat said:

Does anyone really care what Prayut thinks anymore ?   He seems to love low standards. 

Of course they do. He's done a great job, credit where it's due.

[Jonmarleesco]

Easily pleased, isn't he? Doesn't instil much confidence that he will do anything of any value to address the problem.

[Odysseus123]

1 hour ago, Kimber said:

Lets not forget the Jews and anyone with less than white skin, socialists; gays; freemasons; canadians; brits; french; belgiums and the maltese.  

 

Have I left anyone out here ?

The Spanish Inquisition?

[KiChakayan]

And now Thailand becomes an "Index Grafting Hub"

[Matt96]

1 hour ago, semiotically said:

Tempted to go out and print UK for Prayut t-shirt, worth more than a 1000 begruntled moans online...

someone will get a swoon after seeing it

[Becker]

1 hour ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Of course they do. He's done a great job, credit where it's due.

Good one!

[OldSiamHand]

3 hours ago, Matt96 said:

 

i dont believe in such a coincidence -those who pays for studies got the best results

 

What coincidence?  None of the US, Germany or UK made it into the top 10.  Instead, the best results were dominated by the Nordics, New Zealand and Singapore.  Transparency International makes a full disclosure of the methodology used in its ratings of corruption.  Can you explain how this methodology is biased in favor of the institutions that fund the study, or are you just engaging in the same sort of ad hominem attacks you accuse others of?

[InMyShadow]

Prayut has done a brilliant job in reducing corruption. Shutdown most of illegal street hawkers, restaurants and night bars on sukhumvit and right across bangkok . That alone was worth millions of baht in bribes..then there is the ripping down of illegal hotels , restaurants etc right across thailand including many islands

 

Not something you do if you have your hand out for big fat envelopes !!!

 

Nobody is stupid enough to think its now corruption free but its lights years in advance compared to the previous slimy politicians that did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!

[Srikcir]

3 hours ago, Matt96 said:

i dont believe in such a coincidence -those who pays for studies got the best results

Transparency International receives funding from a number of different sources including governments, foundations, the private sector and individuals.

It is Transparency International’s policy to list all donations over €1,000 and publicly disclose these. All donations over €1,000 to the Transparency International Secretariat can be found in Audited Financial Reports.

https://www.transparency.org/whoweare/accountability/who_supports_us/2

How do you "connect the dots" that those who pays (sic) for studies got the best result?

[joecoolfrog]

5 hours ago, Matt96 said:

i live here quite long. and remember how the same market sellers were whining about the life during Taksin rule.

 

personal experiences is not an evidence of anything

Except your personal experience yes ?

[semiotically]

2 hours ago, candide said:

So what? What is the obscure relationship with the ranking? Does it prove that USA should not be ranked 16th? 

21 trillion dollars or 650 trillion baht, so what? lol.  You can buy a few luxury watches with that, I'd tell you.  SCALE = PERSPECTIVE.

[metisdead]

Off topic trolling nonsense posts and replies have been removed. 

[wavemanwww]

11 hours ago, yellowboat said:

Does anyone really care what Prayut thinks anymore ?   He seems to love low standards. 

Nope

[candide]

1 hour ago, semiotically said:

21 trillion dollars or 650 trillion baht, so what? lol.  You can buy a few luxury watches with that, I'd tell you.  SCALE = PERSPECTIVE.

So what? How do you know that the countries that are ranked after USA are not worst? (I am not particularly defending the USA). As for the scale, if I remember well, It's the largest economy in the world.

[metisdead]

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[chama]

On 2/25/2018 at 5:01 PM, Samui Bodoh said:

Perhaps if you had dealt with the Cabinet officials, then the ranking would have been better?

 

Perhaps you should 'watch' the ranking for next year?

Not so sure he will ever address those who support him. Not sure he really cares that much but needs to appear to be engaged in order to spread his load of.....