Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[Eloquent pilgrim]

Yesterday, an organised army of more than a thousand left wing activists / anti-capitalist protestors, rampaged through Paris, smashing shop windows, torching cars, destroying property and terrorising the inhabitants of the city; their simple dictum, if we can’t have it for free, why should you have it by working hard for it. 

 

Let’s hope they don’t take advantage of the freedom of movement policy and bring their parasitic ideology to the UK, while we are still in the EU. It would seem that we have enough of our own.

 

A socialist; someone that doesn’t have anything and wants to share it with everyone else

Edited May 2, 2018 by Eloquent pilgrim

[The manic]

23 minutes ago, tebee said:

I don't really suppose it worries the brexiters, but you do realize that the people you are hopping will deliver you a wondrous Brexit are the biggest shower of liars and  incompetents this country has ever seen. 

 

This from the FT about May personally blocking the NHS recruiting overseas doctors.

 

    Why? What possible rationale can there be? Is Theresa May so fixated by a random, meaningless immigration target of the Conservatives own making, that she is prepared to watch patients suffer and the UK economy decline. This is utter madness, she is not fit to run a village stall let alone the country, Such economic madness and blind adherence to random figures is worthy of Stalinist apparatchiks and Maoists during the Great Leap Forward, it now seems to have terminally infected a large part of the Conservative Party, once renowned for its pragmatism and free market instincts.
 

Perhaps she's knows the majority of Indian University degrees are gained by cheating.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, HAKAPALITA said:

I remember those freaks. Looked as if they were from a Tropical Fish Tank

You are remarkably well informed. Very witty bringing up Ian Anderson's Scottish salmon farming. I didn't know he kept them in tanks. ?

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Yesterday, an organised army of more than a thousand left wing activists / anti-capitalist protestors, rampaged through Paris, smashing shop windows, torching cars, destroying property and terrorising the inhabitants of the city; their simple dictum, if we can’t have it for free, why should you have it by working hard for it. 

 

Let’s hope they don’t take advantage of the freedom of movement policy and bring their parasitic ideology to the UK, while we are still in the EU. It would seem that we have enough of our own.

 

A socialist; someone that doesn’t have anything and wants to share it with everyone else

Were you born old? Things were better in the 60s in many ways, man.

 

I admire the French outlook on life immensely. C'est la vie!

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/5280355/The-French-are-wide-awake-to-the-joys-of-life.html

Edited May 2, 2018 by Grouse

[SheungWan]

43 minutes ago, The manic said:

Perhaps she's knows the majority of Indian University degrees are gained by cheating.

Next time Brexiteers are in hospital maybe they should refuse treatment from all overseas doctors and nurses then.

[Jip99]

1 minute ago, SheungWan said:

Next time Brexiteers are in hospital maybe they should refuse treatment from all overseas doctors and nurses then.

 

 

That would be as as stupid as not letting your Filipino maid clean your house.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

53 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Were you born old? Things were better in the 60s in many ways, man.

 

I admire the French outlook on life immensely. C'est la vie!

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/5280355/The-French-are-wide-awake-to-the-joys-of-life.html

 

“Where you born old” ..... I assume that to be an insult, I didn’t know you dealt in those. That aside, I have no idea what relevance your comment has as a response to mine

 

My only reference to the French was concerning the rioting, so by saying that you admire the French outlook on life, you offer the impression that you approve of violent, destructive rioting as a form of protesting. If not, what has it got to do with my comment.

 

I do not read third party links, if you can’t be bothered to articulate your view, I don’t want to read it when written by somebody else

[The manic]

Just now, SheungWan said:

Next time Brexiteers are in hospital maybe they should refuse treatment from all overseas doctors and nurses then.

You are exaggerating.  But foreign applicants should have both language and medical know ledge tests before being allowed to work in hospitals. I had one GP who could not speak sufficient English to write a reference letter for my hospital. I visited one hospital in London where Arabic was the main language with staff refusing to. speak English and last week yet another baby was killed in a hospital where many staff could not read or write English. Their qualifications were forged.

[7by7]

On ‎29‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 5:36 PM, nontabury said:

While it’s right that we should be liable for liabilities pre our departure, it’s also Right that the UK should be credited with part of the assets of this so called Union. Unfortunately T.M has simply caved into the E.U. Bureaucrats demands.

 Why do you believe the UK has not been credited with part of the assets of the EU which the UK helped pay for? In the same way, in fact, that the UK has been debited with EU assets in the UK paid for by the EU!

 

As no final figure has yet been reached, please explain why you say "Unfortunately T.M has simply caved into the E.U. Bureaucrats demands?" What evidence do you have: other than extreme, short on facts Brexiteer propaganda similar to that you've posted before?

 

On ‎29‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 5:36 PM, nontabury said:

Why should we continue with the Common Fisheries Policy, even for another day, never mind another 21 more months.The British people voted for Brexit in one go, not in stages.

Things take time, such as negotiating UK fishermen's access to EU waters and there has to be some give and take, such as negotiating access to EU markets for UK fishermen.

 

The "Brexit in one go" you desire would be disastrous.

 

On ‎29‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 5:36 PM, nontabury said:

Free movement is simple. The British people want it stopped, unless it’s in the interest of the British economy, to allow certain groups to be granted visas.

What that foreign entity, the E.U. Want, is up to them,we certainly should not dictate their policy for them

You have completely ignored the complex issues I raised regarding, for example, the status of those exercising their treaty rights prior to Brexit, both British and EU nationals, and the situation regarding the nearly 100 years old common travel area between the UK and RoI.

 

Your naïve view that as we have voted for Brexit we could, and should, immediately cut all ties with the EU and tell them where to stick their CFP and FoM etc. simply would not work in the real world.

 

On ‎29‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 5:36 PM, nontabury said:

Many of the other points I mentioned, are the aspiration of the remainers, including the unelected HOL’s and as some of the remainers on this thread have already pointed out, T.M. if reports are to be believed, is now wavering.

The aspirations of some Remainers, including the House of Lords and the majority of Labour MPs,  are that; aspirations. They do not form part of Government policy, no matter how much factual propaganda you produce here in a feeble attempt to prove that they do!

 

Which reports? All the rep[orts show that she is proceeding on course: for example from 1st May: Theresa May vows to overturn Lords plan which could stop Brexit.

 

If you based your opinions on facts rather than prejudice you would now that it is the House of Lords and, in the Commons, Labour who are trying to block the will of the people!

 

On ‎29‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 5:36 PM, nontabury said:

Regarding your nit picking regards the word “Democratic” I was under the impression that this thread is in relation to the E.U and it’s relationship with the U.K. You on the other hand,seem to think it relates to the U.S.A

 I have no idea why you seem to be under the impression from the above that I think this thread refers to the USA.

 

I asked you why you apologised for using the word 'democratic,' a question you have refused to answer and instead produced the above waffle as a dodge.

 

[sandyf]

23 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

The EU are using the Irish border issue as a stick to beat us with.

The brexiteers want to close the UK borders but leave the one in Ireland open.

The brexiteers want the EU to exercise control over their external borders, but control over the EU border in Ireland is perceived as beating the UK with a stick.

 

Bottom line, brexiteers do not know what they want, but its what they voted for.

[SheungWan]

42 minutes ago, The manic said:

You are exaggerating.  But foreign applicants should have both language and medical know ledge tests before being allowed to work in hospitals. I had one GP who could not speak sufficient English to write a reference letter for my hospital. I visited one hospital in London where Arabic was the main language with staff refusing to. speak English and last week yet another baby was killed in a hospital where many staff could not read or write English. Their qualifications were forged.

I doubt any of that given some of the outlandish claims.

Edited May 2, 2018 by SheungWan

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

Next time Brexiteers are in hospital maybe they should refuse treatment from all overseas doctors and nurses then.

 

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

That would be as as stupid as not letting your Filipino maid clean your house.

Since when did Brexiteers have a PhD in pragmatism?

[Jip99]

1 minute ago, SheungWan said:

 

Since when did Brexiteers have a PhD in pragmatism?

 

 

Ever since they successfully voted “Leave”.

[aright]

On ‎5‎/‎1‎/‎2018 at 8:54 AM, CG1 Blue said:

The EU are using the Irish border issue as a stick to beat us with. The EU bureaucrats have no genuine feelings about the sensitivities around this issue, and don't really give a toss about the border.

Love her or hate her, Arlene Foster has a point when she says Barnier pretends to understand the issues, but is "not an honest broker".

The border issue can be solved by the UK/NI working with the Republic.  The UK has some of the brightest technology specialists in the world.  A mix of technology and cooperation will solve it. But not if the EU bureaucrats keep meddling.

 

If only our inept government would just get on with it and put this to bed so the EU can't continue to use the border as a bargaining chip. It makes me wonder if May is purposely allowing this to continue, to excuse a 'soft' Brexit.

This whole exercise is the EU falsely telling other member states how difficult it is to leave the Union.

 

With free trade, the Irish border is an issue for the EU, not the UK

 

http://www.cityam.com/277123/free-trade-irish-border-issue-eu-not-uk

[CG1 Blue]

21 minutes ago, sandyf said:

On ‎01‎/‎05‎/‎2018 at 8:54 AM, CG1 Blue said:

The EU are using the Irish border issue as a stick to beat us with.

The brexiteers want to close the UK borders but leave the one in Ireland open.

The brexiteers want the EU to exercise control over their external borders, but control over the EU border in Ireland is perceived as beating the UK with a stick.

 

Bottom line, brexiteers do not know what they want, but its what they voted for.

You're missing the point.  The Irish border is a very special case, and can be resolved. There are already intelligence led border controls on the island of Ireland. Add to that some innovative technology (and the UK has some of the world's best innovators), and you get a sufficiently controlled border.

Or we agree a free trade and customs deal with the EU, which removes the need for tariffs and customs checks. Then you have the Trusted Trader scheme.

 

The point you missed is that the EU are being obstructive and inflexible on Ireland, and IMO this is to destabilise the Brexit process.

 

They should not be using such a sensitive issue to further their own ambitions.

[HAKAPALITA]

Have been looking at English Newspapers online. Conclusion, The In dependant, is anything but, and the Guardian is just for anti everything folk. Sun and Mirror, for Brits on holiday in Benidorm, or Phuket.. The Times just says whats happened mainly, i like that.

[CG1 Blue]

9 hours ago, notmyself said:

 

lol You do know she signed all EU law into UK law over a year ago right? 

 

 

You do understand why that was done, right?

[CG1 Blue]

15 hours ago, nauseus said:

But it is not normal. Very special is the revered Haggis Bird. 

Talking of Scottish wildlife, today in 1933 the first Loch Ness Monster sighting was reported in the Inverness Courier.

 

We don't want to lose this array of unique species by allowing Scotland to break away!

[HAKAPALITA]

13 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Talking of Scottish wildlife, today in 1933 the first Loch Ness Monster sighting was reported in the Inverness Courier.

 

We don't want to lose this array of unique species by allowing Scotland to break away!

A Flying German was sighted there in 1943. Tried to get you to join the EU. You fell for it later..

[The manic]

35 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

I doubt any of that given some of the outlandish claims.

Doubt all you wish but it is true. Just because you have not experienced such things is only that...your lack of experience.  But you cannot take my personal experiences from me. As for the dead baby incident it was last week and in the newspapers.  Regarding the Dr at my Local practise in London..I drew up a master reference letter for them so the Dr, a locum, could hand write in the blank variables.  He was Nigerian. The next locum was French and excellent. A later locum sneezed into his hands then tried to examine me. I refused until he washed his hands and complained to the surgery manager. A few of my Philippine  friends are medical health practitioners and are very good at what they do. Unfortunately they find it difficult to get work in the UK due to EU legislation.

[tebee]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/05/01/brexit-meant-moment-renewal-turned-morale-sapping-mess

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

“Where you born old” ..... I assume that to be an insult, I didn’t know you dealt in those. That aside, I have no idea what relevance your comment has as a response to mine

 

My only reference to the French was concerning the rioting, so by saying that you admire the French outlook on life, you offer the impression that you approve of violent, destructive rioting as a form of protesting. If not, what has it got to do with my comment.

 

I do not read third party links, if you can’t be bothered to articulate your view, I don’t want to read it when written by somebody else

So, I contend that many of us go through socialist or even anarchistic stages during our formative years.

 

I like the French broad minded tolerance. 

 

I was not insulting you; rather reminding you that we do foolish things in our youth. Do you recall the riotous demos of the sixties? 

 

I think the ability to demonstrate is a good thing. The insurance will cover it. What was your opinion of the recent Occupy Wallstreet demos? They do have a point!

[tebee]

28 minutes ago, The manic said:

... A few of my Philippine  friends are medical health practitioners and are very good at what they do. Unfortunately they find it difficult to get work in the UK due to EU legislation.

The Eu has absolutely nothing to do  with Non-EU doctors being allowed(or not) to work in UK. Their licensing and registration is controlled by the GMC and the supply of skilled migrant visas is controlled by the UK government

[tebee]

2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

So, I contend that many of us go through socialist or even anarchistic stages during our formative years.

 

I like the French broad minded tolerance. 

 

...

Think I'm still an anarchist at heart - was in the Workers Revolutionary Party when I was at college!

 

I like the French attitude too - maybe that's why I live there half the year .

  

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, The manic said:

You are exaggerating.  But foreign applicants should have both language and medical know ledge tests before being allowed to work in hospitals. I had one GP who could not speak sufficient English to write a reference letter for my hospital. I visited one hospital in London where Arabic was the main language with staff refusing to. speak English and last week yet another baby was killed in a hospital where many staff could not read or write English. Their qualifications were forged.

I was once denied a consultation with our family GP because I had been out of the country for a while. I was direct to a "call in centre". A Pakistani doctor then quoted me for a private consultation and a private prescription.

 

You will not be surprised that he got the PhD course in advanced English delivered in 2 minutes!

[oldhippy]

6 hours ago, HAKAPALITA said:

I remember those freaks. Looked as if they were from a Tropical Fish Tank

I remember the generation that i rebelled against in the sixties.

Are you one of those ?

 

[Kieran00001]

3 hours ago, The manic said:

You are exaggerating.  But foreign applicants should have both language and medical know ledge tests before being allowed to work in hospitals. I had one GP who could not speak sufficient English to write a reference letter for my hospital. I visited one hospital in London where Arabic was the main language with staff refusing to. speak English and last week yet another baby was killed in a hospital where many staff could not read or write English. Their qualifications were forged.

 

Regarding the hospital in London where Arabic was the main language, that is illegal and I don't believe it for a second, it throws into disregard all else you have said.  Post a link about this baby dying in a hospital with staff who cant read English, I can't find anything about it.

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, SheungWan said:

 

Since when did Brexiteers have a PhD in pragmatism?

Oh no! ?

 

Dont tell me Brexiteers have optical impairments on top of their cognitive issues!

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, HAKAPALITA said:

Have been looking at English Newspapers online. Conclusion, The In dependant, is anything but, and the Guardian is just for anti everything folk. Sun and Mirror, for Brits on holiday in Benidorm, or Phuket.. The Times just says whats happened mainly, i like that.

Thanks for your advice! ?

[tebee]

3 hours ago, HAKAPALITA said:

Have been looking at English Newspapers online. Conclusion, The In dependant, is anything but, and the Guardian is just for anti everything folk. Sun and Mirror, for Brits on holiday in Benidorm, or Phuket.. The Times just says whats happened mainly, i like that.

I prefer the FT