Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[CG1 Blue]

7 hours ago, The Renegade said:

The onslaught begins.

 

The Democratically elected Government of Italy are now called

 

The warnings come in thick and fast

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/05/21/italys-insurgents-defiant-bond-spreads-surge-eu-threats-build/

 

They have learned well from the Brexit non-negotiations and have played a blinder.

 

Brussels HQ Troll Factory will be going into overdrive.

Yep - they've even got those lovely ratings agencies involved in the trickery early on.  They did a great job aiding the 08 crash!

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Orac said:

 

 

Found it for you - get a defibrillator ready!




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WoW....Reckon it would trounce the 4.2 and 5.3...

[CG1 Blue]

7 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Sure, there are plenty of those Brits who will never be able to make the move, but then there are so many who will, and the point is, if Brexit makes it harder for people then it will not be popular will millions of Brits who want to emigrate, as realistic or not that may be.  I was only countering the claim that the 2% of Brits who live full time in Europe are insignificant to the Leave voter base, they are not the only people to consider in that respect, already it is 5% when we consider those who live in both the UK and the EU and then there are the many more who are currently planning and have realistic plans to make the move, the dreamers are not as significant, but their votes count all the same.  It will only be once we know the deal we can then attempt to ascertain just how many Brits really want to leave, should it hamper peoples plans to live in Europe then it will be far from popular.

Please stop this fear mongering.  Before the EU existed people emigrated from the UK to Europe, and they will after we leave the EU. Ok, they might have to fill in a couple more forms.

 

If you think the EU will ban Brits from emigrating to it's member states you are deluded.

[HAKAPALITA]

40 minutes ago, transam said:

A very cool car....Would love to look under the bonnet....

An E.U directive must be issued before its allowed in the Village of Middle Wallop U.K., whats more a Village name change may be require by Ze Germans in Brussels because the Luftwaflers missed it on night raids..Just get out, ignore the Snowflakes.

[anon789561]

32 minutes ago, Orac said:

 

 

Found it for you - get a defibrillator ready!




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i knew an interesting old man. put alot of money into the pattaya orphanage stuff like that. adopted a thai kid who is well known now for car racing. normally does the 24 hr le mans series. his dad used to build engines by hand at their place in surrey. you're talking pool, tennis courts, ferraris, bentleys and astons, even fricking pads to test BHP..heated garages. no shit

[Kieran00001]

7 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Please stop this fear mongering.  Before the EU existed people emigrated from the UK to Europe, and they will after we leave the EU. Ok, they might have to fill in a couple more forms.

 

If you think the EU will ban Brits from emigrating to it's member states you are deluded.

 

I don't, I think that if it becomes at all more difficult then it is going to make the whole Brexit idea less attractive, an idea that was only just popular enough to win by a fraction, so change almost anything that makes leaving look more negative and there will no longer be a majority in support, change something as popular as being able to move to Europe through and Remain would win by a landslide, that is all I am saying.

[Jip99]

2 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I don't, I think that if it becomes at all more difficult then it is going to make the whole Brexit idea less attractive, an idea that was only just popular enough to win by a fraction, so change almost anything that makes leaving look more negative and there will no longer be a majority in support, change something as popular as being able to move to Europe through and Remain would win by a landslide, that is all I am saying.

 

 

I doubt that many people who may contemplate moving to Europe would have voted leave! ?

 

 

That would be akin to a turkey voting for Xmas...

Edited May 22, 2018 by Jip99

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

What is it with you and deflections? Does the truth worry you so much that you keep a stock of dead cats at hand to hurl on the table whenever somthing uncomfortable pops up?

You are not obliged to rebutt every post, you know. Just accept it as fact - increasingly, people are turning away from Brexit.

Come on mate, you post articles from the Guardian and expect us Brexiteers to give you serious answers?!

[The Renegade]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

And that's called a flame ?

This is a flame

 

 

This is a fact

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2014/12/professional-trolls/

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, aright said:

I asked my librarian about a book about Pavlov's dog and Schroedinger's cat. She said it rang a bell but she wasn't sure if it was there or not.

she said salivering.

[The Renegade]

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Italy's populist government did not just fall from the sky - it was elected. And the incoming leaders could prove to be an explosive force for the European Union.

 

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The financial markets are simply ignoring the populists. The European Central Bank (ECB), with its flood of capital, is helping to keep Italy and other struggling countries afloat. It begs the question: How much longer can that last? If the ECB raised interest rates, it could quickly get ugly for Italy, to say the least.

http://www.dw.com/en/opinion-eu-panic-over-italian-populism-only-exacerbates-tension/a-43872124

 

An opinion piece that gets it.

 

19 years of the € and Italy and other Countries are being kept afloat by QE.

 

Fantastic advertisement for staying in the EU. When it goes bang, it is going to be loud.

 

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

The British expression, a crock, coming from the Scottish term for an old horse, implying broken, is quite separate from the American expression of a crock of shit, coming from the notion crockery full of shit, implying lots of it.

 

I really don't have to come clean for knowing my language much better than you, it is already evident.

I do find it amusing how you copy/paste from Google results every day, without disclosing the source, and no shame about plagiarism.  Not even quotation marks.

Unless of course you just happened to know a crock was from the Scottish term for an old horse.  Yes, that must be it ?

[StreetCowboy]

1 hour ago, transam said:

From the USA....?

At the risk of being obtuse, a crock is an earthenware pot.  There is a verb 'to crock' meaning to fill the bottom of a pot with broken bits of pottery to improve the drainage while preventing soil washing out, while crocked also is used to mean 'broken up' as in crocking a crock with a crocked crock.

 

Amongst many other homonyms in Scots (due to the vagaries of spelling in the old language) a crock was also a ewe beyond lamb-bearing age, according to my 30 seconds' research.  I've never heard that, but I'm not from sheep-farming country.

 

Presumably Grouse's  'old horse'  would be a nag beyond breeding age fit for the knackers'.  An American crock would be an earthenware pot, abbreviated from 'crock of <deleted>', meaning an earthenware pot with broken bits of pottery in the bottom to stop the fertiliser dripping out.

 

After Brexit, we'll be back to carrying our fertiliser in earthenware pots, and we'll all have biceps thon big... 

 

SC

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Yep - they've even got those lovely ratings agencies involved in the trickery early on.  They did a great job aiding the 08 crash!

The Italian president has said he won't sign any financial changes that aren't balanced out. One of Beppe Grillo's friends has said he can't see the government lasting 4 months, sounds about right for Italy.

[Kieran00001]

17 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I do find it amusing how you copy/paste from Google results every day, without disclosing the source, and no shame about plagiarism.  Not even quotation marks.

Unless of course you just happened to know a crock was from the Scottish term for an old horse.  Yes, that must be it ?

 

I looked in my dictionary, no copy paste but if you must know it came from the OED.  

 

At least you can have a laugh, most people would not get as much as a giggle out of someone posting a fact without referencing it, you must have a riot every time you read a newspaper.

[CG1 Blue]

49 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I don't, I think that if it becomes at all more difficult then it is going to make the whole Brexit idea less attractive, an idea that was only just popular enough to win by a fraction, so change almost anything that makes leaving look more negative and there will no longer be a majority in support, change something as popular as being able to move to Europe through and Remain would win by a landslide, that is all I am saying.

But those things will have already been factored in.  The people had all sorts of crap thrown at them in the run up to the referendum, including losing the ability to move from the UK.  If it was going to make a difference it did already in 2016.

If anything people will have wised up to that fear mongering now, and would vote leave. 

[soalbundy]

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

But those things will have already been factored in.  The people had all sorts of crap thrown at them in the run up to the referendum, including losing the ability to move from the UK.  If it was going to make a difference it did already in 2016.

If anything people will have wised up to that fear mongering now, and would vote leave. 

that's a crock of sh1t. Let's get back on topic, this is about crocks

[Kieran00001]

28 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

 

http://www.dw.com/en/opinion-eu-panic-over-italian-populism-only-exacerbates-tension/a-43872124

 

An opinion piece that gets it.

 

19 years of the € and Italy and other Countries are being kept afloat by QE.

 

Fantastic advertisement for staying in the EU. When it goes bang, it is going to be loud.

 

 

350 years of the dollar and the US being kept afloat by QE, is that a reason to pull the plug on the US in your odd opinion?

 

Oh, and the EU ended its QE program some time ago, by the way.

[Kieran00001]

10 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

But those things will have already been factored in.  The people had all sorts of crap thrown at them in the run up to the referendum, including losing the ability to move from the UK.  If it was going to make a difference it did already in 2016.

If anything people will have wised up to that fear mongering now, and would vote leave. 

 

People really have wised up, they know about Cambridge Analytica, they know that there isn't an extra 350 million, they know that we might be leaving the single market, and they know that immigration will not end, people have wised up to the Leave campaigns tricks and lies, and by the way, there are no polls showing Leave gaining support since the referendum but there are 13 polls showing that Remain has gained support.

[StreetCowboy]

2 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

People really have wised up, they know about Cambridge Analytica, they know that there isn't an extra 350 million, they know that we might be leaving the single market, and they know that immigration will not end, people have wised up to the Leave campaigns tricks and lies, and by the way, there are no polls showing Leave gaining support since the referendum but there are 13 polls showing that Remain has gained support.

After Brexit we'll send all the polls home.

They won't be allowed in the country.  The people have spoken; their will must not be questioned.  If you have a dissenting opinion, you can keep it to yourself, but only within the privacy of your own home, for as long as that lasts
 

Edited May 22, 2018 by StreetCowboy

[Jip99]

2 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

People really have wised up, they know about Cambridge Analytica, they know that there isn't an extra 350 million, they know that we might be leaving the single market, and they know that immigration will not end, people have wised up to the Leave campaigns tricks and lies, and by the way, there are no polls showing Leave gaining support since the referendum but there are 13 polls showing that Remain has gained support.

 

 

...but they don’t seem to have wised up to the remain campaign...

 

 

Project Fear.....anyone noticed the sky fall in yet?

[The Renegade]

4 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

People really have wised up, they know about Cambridge Analytica,

Thought it woz the Russians that done it ?

[The Renegade]

10 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

Oh, and the EU ended its QE program some time ago, by the way.

OK that confirms it

 

You are a troll. 

 

The current ECB QE is €30billion a month, reduced from €60billion a month in January

 

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ECB decides to reduce monthly pace of asset purchases by half to 30 billion euros from January and to extend the program until at least September 2018.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-ecb-monetary-stimulus-exit-tracker/

[CG1 Blue]

6 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

People really have wised up, they know about Cambridge Analytica, they know that there isn't an extra 350 million, they know that we might be leaving the single market, and they know that immigration will not end, people have wised up to the Leave campaigns tricks and lies, and by the way, there are no polls showing Leave gaining support since the referendum but there are 13 polls showing that Remain has gained support.

"they know about Cambridge Analytica"

Why would they now vote Remain because of what Cambridge Analytica did?

 

"they know that there isn't an extra 350 million"

A handful of extremely gullible people misunderstood the message on the bus. A tiny number of cerebrally challenged people may have voted Leave purely because of that slogan. Perhaps the same number of people who voted Remain when Osborne made the 'emergency budget' announcement.

 

"they know that we might be leaving the single market"

That was made perfectly clear in both the Remain and Leave campaigns

 

"and they know that immigration will not end"

Leaving the Single Market would give us control over immigration. So this contradicts the remark above.  

 

 

 

 

[Kieran00001]

12 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

...but they don’t seem to have wised up to the remain campaign...

 

 

Project Fear.....anyone noticed the sky fall in yet?

 

There is a slight difference between a campaign pledge and economists offering their worst case scenarios, for a start, the former have been proven to be false whereas the latter have not had the chance to be yet seen.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Come on mate, you post articles from the Guardian and expect us Brexiteers to give you serious answers?!

Good point - there are over 400 pages of posts in this thread which mostly confirm that waiting for a serious answer from a Brexiteer is a futile endeavour.

 

 

 

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, aright said:

Did you see that e-type Hassa was driving on Saturday? ? 

Yeah! All electric! No exhaust sound though!

[Kieran00001]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

"they know about Cambridge Analytica"

Why would they now vote Remain because of what Cambridge Analytica did?

 

"they know that there isn't an extra 350 million"

A handful of extremely gullible people misunderstood the message on the bus. A tiny number of cerebrally challenged people may have voted Leave purely because of that slogan. Perhaps the same number of people who voted Remain when Osborne made the 'emergency budget' announcement.

 

"they know that we might be leaving the single market"

That was made perfectly clear in both the Remain and Leave campaigns

 

"and they know that immigration will not end"

Leaving the Single Market would give us control over immigration. So this contradicts the remark above.  

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps some people are not so brain dead as to realise that Cambridge Analytica manipulated them by spreading them lies that they have since found out were such and so would now like to remain based on their new knowledge.

 

It wasn't just the bus, they referenced the money in proposed spending in almost every sector, different people were taken in by a multitude of different speeches held throughout the country, they all now know that they were lied to, not just the folk who read the headlines and so know about the bus.

 

The Leave campaign said, ‘Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market’.

 

The people, at least more people, now know that it was a UK parliamentary decision to open our borders, that Thatcher had negotiated in two clauses when we ascended, to keep the pound and to keep control of our borders, that it was Blair who decided to open them, and that we saw the full brunt of the first round of new accession countries immigrants because we chose to allow free movement for them before the date as per the recommendation of the EU.   People were under the impression that the EU made us open our borders, this was a key part of the "losing our sovereignty" rhetoric that has now been demonstrated quite publicly to be false.  Whether or not we can have freedom of movement and not and still be in the single market or visa versa, is not something a lot of people relate to, they relate to the scale of immigration and whose decision that is, which they now know to be our decision and they also now know that we need immigrants and will be looking to replace them from further afield if we can't get the Europeans to come anymore.

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, Orac said:

 

 

Found it for you - get a defibrillator ready!




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What kind of plugs?

[Kieran00001]

30 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Thought it woz the Russians that done it ?

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Wylie added that Cambridge Analytica "used Russian researchers to gather its data, (and) openly shared information on 'rumour campaigns' and 'attitudinal inoculation'" with companies and executives linked to the Russian intelligence agency FSB.

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/cambridge-analytica-shared-data-with-russia-whistleblower