Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[tebee]

58 minutes ago, nontabury said:

It’s possible for those who live in France and for people who work in certain occupations in the U.K.  Unfortunately for the majority of Brits, it’s a very bad deal. But why should you think of others, that’s not what selfish people do.

 

 

 

 

There is around half a million Brits who work in the EU, often in senior or consultant roles. For all of them losing FOM is a very bad deal

[The Renegade]

6 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

There is around half a million Brits who work in the EU, often in senior or consultant roles. For all of them losing FOM is a very bad deal

And the idiocy continues.

 

How does all the other Brits, often in senior or consultant roles manage to find positions outwith the EU ?

 

FOM does not come into it. People who have the skills, experience and qualifications required for a position, will get that position, they get those positions because they are the correct candidate for the position, not because they have FOM.

 

FOM of movement only benefits the lowest skilled.

[The Renegade]

1 hour ago, adammike said:

Wait till we all stand in line with the non EU passports to go on the razzle in Amsterdam, Ibiza etc,blue won't cut it.

Is this meant to be satire ?

 

Is this meant to be valid reason for staying in the EU ?

 

Or is this simply another comment destroying the myth that remainers are highly educated or highly intelligent ?

[aright]

11 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

FOM of movement only benefits the lowest skilled.

and criminal gangs and freeloaders.

[CG1 Blue]

On ‎5‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 7:34 AM, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

This is an amazing speech by Peter Shore, one of Labour’s finest ever politicians. Watch the squirming traitor Ted Heath in the background, the man that had just been told by Geoffrey Rippon, "If we want to enter the EEC (as it was then known) we will have to sacrifice Britain's  fishermen”

 

Ironic that it took a labour politician to expose the potentially disastrous consequences for the British people of joining the EEC (EU)

 

The birth of fear mongering 

Incredible speech. Could almost be used today word for word!

[aright]

26 minutes ago, tebee said:

Brexit has a cost in lost opportunities 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/9ec68890-6280-11e8-90c2-9563a0613e56?emailId=5b0c9b93fc0e2100049550b0&segmentId=2f40f9e8-c8d5-af4c-ecdd-78ad0b93926b

 

 

 

Arguably so does staying. 

The popularity of anti EU and pro democratic Parties is rising rapidly to the extent that many EU governments are stalemated like Italy, Germany Holland and Belgium who cannot address their own countries priorities because of internal deadlock. Countries like Poland and Hungary have major problems with the ECJ. Austria is basically anti EU although it continues to sit on the fence. Spain and the EU has lost considerable credibility as a democracy  over it's treatment of Catalonia .Italy is totally frustrated at not being able to form a government after 3 attempts.

And to cap it all there is Brexit!

[The Renegade]

15 minutes ago, aright said:

and criminal gangs and freeloaders.

I was trying to be PC ??

[The Renegade]

1 minute ago, aright said:

Arguably so does staying. 

The popularity of anti EU and pro democratic Parties is rising rapidly to the extent that many EU governments are stalemated like Italy, Germany Holland and Belgium who cannot address their own countries priorities because of internal deadlock. Countries like Poland and Hungary have major problems with the ECJ. Austria is basically anti EU although it continues to sit on the fence. Spain and the EU has lost considerable credibility as a democracy  over it's treatment of Catalonia .Italy is totally frustrated at not being able to form a government after 3 attempts.

And to cap it all there is Brexit!

But the EU is brilliant. Remainers say so, so it must be true ??

[tebee]

but Most of the UK's problems are internal, of our own making, it's no use trying to blame the EU for them.Leaving is not going to solve them.

 

In Britain, Austerity Is Changing Everything

After eight years of budget cutting, Britain is looking less like the rest of Europe and more like the United States, with a shrinking welfare state and spreading poverty

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/world/europe/uk-austerity-poverty.html

[Eloquent pilgrim]

41 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Incredible speech. Could almost be used today word for word!

Absolutely, and so could the brilliant rhetoric of Anthony Wedgwood Benn, which another poster put up a few days ago, the poignancy of his words are breathtaking in the context of Brexit arguments ....

 

Tony Benn ......

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

On ‎5‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 4:06 AM, tebee said:

Indeed, this is what we have spent the last two years discussing. And orderly leave has to be better   than one  where we charge out of the door and slam it shut behind us.

 

There are thousands of businesses in the UK (and in the EU) that have based business plans on us being members of the EU. Leaving without a deal would cause millions of job losses in the UK and a goodly number the other side of the channel. 

 

People that call for no deal leave either have no idea what they are talking about or just don't care about their fellow man.

Personally I'd be ok with a slower more orderly departure. Fine if it takes another 4-5 years to unpick everything and minimise the impact on businesses. As long as we eventually leave the EU, and we end up as simply a trade partner with the them.

 

But there are so many powerful people (globalist businessmen, wealthy politicians, Lords etc.) who seek to cancel the Brexit process all together, I fear the longer it takes the more likely they will succeed.

If I had the choice between a long drawn out departure process that ends up with us crawling back to the EU with our tails between our legs, or suffering the short term pain of a 'no deal' exit, I'd choose the latter.

 

You can blame the hard Remainers for pushing Leavers into wanting to leave without a deal.

 

[tebee]

And the Chinese think Britain may never fully recover.

 

http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2148052/whether-its-brexit-or-bremain-uk-long-term-economic-decline

 

"Britain has entered a netherworld of indecision and the longer it lasts the greater the chances the default option emerges – that a rational solution is beyond the government’s grasp and staying in the EU is the only plausible alternative"

Edited May 29, 2018 by tebee

[Eloquent pilgrim]

2 minutes ago, tebee said:

And the Chinese think Britain may never fully recover.

 

http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2148052/whether-its-brexit-or-bremain-uk-long-term-economic-decline

And what about the Martians ..... what's their take on events

[soalbundy]

Just now, Eloquent pilgrim said:

And what about the Martians ..... what's their take on events

they have watched 'yes minister' so they agree with the Chinese

[The Renegade]

10 minutes ago, tebee said:

And the Chinese think Britain may never fully recover.

 

http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2148052/whether-its-brexit-or-bremain-uk-long-term-economic-decline

 

"Britain has entered a netherworld of indecision and the longer it lasts the greater the chances the default option emerges – that a rational solution is beyond the government’s grasp and staying in the EU is the only plausible alternative"

You should have dug into Davids articles a little deeper

 

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Never mind Brexit, political chaos in Italy could be the fatal blow for European unity

http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2147042/never-mind-brexit-political-chaos-italy-could-be-fatal-blow

 

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Europe’s financial position is still perilous years after the debt crisis

http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2143962/europes-financial-position-still-perilous-years-after-debt

 

It would appear that he is a hack who specialises in doom & gloom, he must be a remainer, they all appear to be eternal pessimists.

[CG1 Blue]

On ‎5‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 10:44 AM, soalbundy said:

why, they too are going electric, there is an interesting youtube video of an almost fully automated BMW factory in China producing electric cars, no British car firms though...oh of course,there aren't any left.

All this UK bashing - I'm curious to know which amazing and perfect country you come from, and what your interests are in this debate.

[CG1 Blue]

On ‎5‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 10:51 AM, candide said:

You can elaborate any explanation you wish but there is a lesson to draw from this case. It confirms, in case it has ever been needed, that a small country does not have much negotiating power against a large country or union. Do you think a stand alone UK will have more power when it negotiates directly with China, Russia or the USA?

Yes, because the UK will be one voice, not 28 voices. One country, and one set of interests. Much more efficient in negotiations.

[tebee]

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

All this UK bashing - I'm curious to know which amazing and perfect country you come from, and what your interests are in this debate.

 

 

UK deserves Bashing - It seems to be trying to commit economic suicide without any idea of where it is going. It's done in the same way you would try to explain to a drunk friend that he can't really fly if he jumps off your roof.

 

One of the reader comments from the articles I mentioned earlier.

 

 

    Because the UK has done little or no preparation for leaving the EU without an agreement, it is a near certainty that Maybot will climb down all the way to accept the terms of the EU's WA; No-one is interested in the party-political debate on whether we should go for Customs Partnership or Max Fac, simply because this is not up to us. For the reasons Barnier explains in his speech, the EU cannot take any other position, once Maybot agrees to the terms of the WA, I think it is more likely than not that the WA is ratified by the UK Parliament, even without any support from DUP, The only alternative is for the MPs to force Maybot to negotiate to remain in the SM. Barnier says the EU27 will be flexible, so the Article 50 negotiation period may be extended for a few months if the UK should change our red lines. An interesting time ahead. I think hard Brexiters know their game is up, if not now, then by the end of the summer, their numbers are not big enough to make Rees-Mogg or Bo Jo to replace Maybot. They can shout and scream, but that's all they can do, I think.
 

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, aright said:

Arguably so does staying. 

The popularity of anti EU and pro democratic Parties is rising rapidly to the extent that many EU governments are stalemated like Italy, Germany Holland and Belgium who cannot address their own countries priorities because of internal deadlock. Countries like Poland and Hungary have major problems with the ECJ. Austria is basically anti EU although it continues to sit on the fence. Spain and the EU has lost considerable credibility as a democracy  over it's treatment of Catalonia .Italy is totally frustrated at not being able to form a government after 3 attempts.

And to cap it all there is Brexit!

Yep, and when the EU in it's current form does collapse, we'll hopefully be out already, or at least half way out and with a big head start.

[candide]

36 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Yes, because the UK will be one voice, not 28 voices. One country, and one set of interests. Much more efficient in negotiations.

Such as being able to prevent China from forcing UK companies to transfer technologies to Chinese counterparts if they want to succeed in China? Dream on!

[nontabury]

8 hours ago, soalbundy said:

but I thought the electorate were in control ?

Well seemingly not in Italy where a coalition,between a so called left wing party and a so called right wing party are being constrained in their desire to create a government acceptable to the Italian electorate. By whom. Well according to statements from both of these political parties, by the establishment and their financial backers. Now where have we heard that before?

Add this to how the electorate in France,REpublic of Ireland and Holland were also ignored by our masters in Brussels, when they also voted against the interest of the establishment. And we think we live in a democracy555.

 

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

31 minutes ago, tebee said:

UK deserves Bashing - It seems to be trying to commit economic suicide without any idea of where it is going. It's done in the same way you would try to explain to a drunk friend that he can't really fly if he jumps off your roof.

But the bashing only makes matters worse.  Surely you can see this.

[Tanoshi]

45 minutes ago, tebee said:

It's done in the same way you would try to explain to a drunk friend that he can't really fly if he jumps off your roof.

 

But going past the 1st floor, he can be heard saying 'So far, so good'.

[aright]

31 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Yep, and when the EU in it's current form does collapse, we'll hopefully be out already, or at least half way out and with a big head start.

Precisely in 5 years time there may not be an EU to get out of.

As a result of the EU running a one size fits all monetary system, youth unemployment is a catastrophe in the Southern states. At the moment the Italian economy is smaller than it was in 2007. It is stuck in a currency which is more expensive than the lira which limits its exports whilst the Euro is cheaper than the Mark which enhances German exports. I think we have to admit the Germans have played a currency blinder.Since joining the Euro Italy's GDP has grown by 9%, the UK's by 42% over the same period.

The next lot of chickens will come home to roost when the German taxpayers are asked to pay for Greek pensions.

 

The sad part is Remainers feel the EU is an amazing progressive organisation and are quite happy to remain in this corrupt set up which only favours authoritarians.

 

[nontabury]

2 hours ago, tebee said:

 

There is around half a million Brits who work in the EU, often in senior or consultant roles. For all of them losing FOM is a very bad deal

So let’s sacrifice those millions of British workers who actually live and work in the U.K. in order that the few who work in the E.U. Can perhaps prosper.

”oh” I nearly forgot, you could also have mentioned how advantages the open boarder policy is, in allowing nearly half a million Romanians and Bulgarians to enter the U.K. in order to either undercut the local workforce or to increase the number of foreign criminals, that we are now plagued with.

Edited May 29, 2018 by nontabury

[Tanoshi]

Bring back 'New Zealand' lamb.

[aright]

7 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Bring back 'New Zealand' lamb.

I think you will find Remainers are a bit sheepish about that.

Do you know how Kiwi's practice safe sex?

They put a cross on the back legs of the ones that kick.

Edited May 29, 2018 by aright
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[Tanoshi]

5 minutes ago, aright said:

I think you will find Remainers are a bit sheepish about that.

Baaaaaa*tards.

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, The Renegade said:

And the idiocy continues.

 

How does all the other Brits, often in senior or consultant roles manage to find positions outwith the EU ?

 

FOM does not come into it. People who have the skills, experience and qualifications required for a position, will get that position, they get those positions because they are the correct candidate for the position, not because they have FOM.

 

FOM of movement only benefits the lowest skilled.

I found it very easy to work in Denmark and then in Germany. The red tape (green actually) required to work in the USA was huge hassle on each occasion. What about you?

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Personally I'd be ok with a slower more orderly departure. Fine if it takes another 4-5 years to unpick everything and minimise the impact on businesses. As long as we eventually leave the EU, and we end up as simply a trade partner with the them.

 

But there are so many powerful people (globalist businessmen, wealthy politicians, Lords etc.) who seek to cancel the Brexit process all together, I fear the longer it takes the more likely they will succeed.

If I had the choice between a long drawn out departure process that ends up with us crawling back to the EU with our tails between our legs, or suffering the short term pain of a 'no deal' exit, I'd choose the latter.

 

You can blame the hard Remainers for pushing Leavers into wanting to leave without a deal.

 

Yeah! I'm reet 'ard me ?