Russian cuisine - need help finding a specific meal

[The manic]

18 hours ago, ardokano said:

Pierogi its not dumplings  it's Pie.

 And pierogi its Russian Dish.

 Vareniki with potato's its Ukrainian dish and its daplings. Pelmeni its Russian dish.

 I sure eat vareniki with potato Near cosy beach restaurant. Near one week I be in cosy beach. So remain my self what restaurant. And  tell ... If you guys need it:)

Please fo tell. That's the idea of this thread I think. To name and review restaurants.  I know of no Russian or Ukranian on or very near Cozy Beach.  But there are a couple on Soi Pattaya Park running parralel with soi 6 Pratumnak. 

[Jingthing]

It's actually to locate a specific dish that most probably isn't on any menu in town.

[The manic]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It is pies to Russians. The link explains it's not pies to others. Not everyone is Russian. The link is not stupid. Your extremely over the top reaction to the fact that a word means different things to other nationalities is the stupid thing here. Again perhaps your English language skill level makes it hard for you to understand what the link is saying. It doesn't really matter though in the context of this thread. We know the O.P. is not looking for pies.

Oh I thought he was looking for Perogis!  If it's pies he wants they are all over Pattaya and very good they are too!  I love the OP's laid back attitude to food and people trying to be helpful. 

[ardokano]

18 minutes ago, The manic said:

Please fo tell. That's the idea of this thread I think. To name and review restaurants.  I know of no Russian or Ukranian on or very near Cozy Beach.  But there are a couple on Soi Pattaya Park running parralel with soi 6 Pratumnak. 

OK near week I be on Cozy Beach and  tell you where is can be. Now I just do not remember. But when I see street visual memory help me.  :)

[Jingthing]

48 minutes ago, The manic said:

Oh I thought he was looking for Perogis!  If it's pies he wants they are all over Pattaya and very good they are too!  I love the OP's laid back attitude to food and people trying to be helpful. 

I think you're joking now, yuck yuck, but for the sake of diplomacy let's drop all the foreign food words and say he's looking for EASTERN EUROPEAN style dumplings stuffed in a particular way, and sauced in a particular way. 

 

Too add, just a hunch, but based on the video I posted of a Polish version of Eastern European boiled dumplings as she said that it's common there to have them stuffed with both potato and cheese as the OP desires, perhaps the dish he's looking for is indeed Polish. As there aren't any Polish restaurants in town that I'm aware of, it might be even less likely it's on any menu here. 

[Damrongsak]

Pierogi come in many styles from many places around Central/Eastern Europe.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierogi

 

I thought this part was interesting:  Polish pierogi are often filled with fresh curd cheese, boiled and minced potatoes, and fried onions. This type is called in Polish pierogi ruskie, which literally means "Ruthenian pierogi" (not "Russian"). Ruskie pierogi are probably the most popular kind of pierogi in North America. This variety is not necessarily the most popular in Europe, although very much liked.

 

Another article mentioned " Ruskie pierogi comes from the prewar Poland's region called Red Ruthenia (today it is within a territory of Ukraine)."

 

One name for a type in German speaking areas is Schlutzkrapfen.  Makes me  think "stuffed crap".  I have to go - I'm hungry and I have some in the freezer.

 

[Damrongsak]

Ooh, ooh!  This recipe sounds good. Ukrainian Vareniky (pierogies) using mozzarella and cream cheese, potato, onions, bacon. Won-Ton or egg roll wrappers would probably work if you don't want to mess with the dough.  Seems like many countries all over the world have dumplings that they stuff with whatever is handy.  My Thai wife makes me some boiled/fried ones with bean curd and tree ear mushroom (I think) since I'm vegetarian.

 

I think any place that has ever made pierogis or dumplings could do this.  Seems to me a matter of locally available cheese and the taste thereof. Seems that the traditional ones use a type of fresh but rather soft cheese ("Quark" or in Russian, tvorog ) which is a soft curd cheese.  Too many kinds of curd cheese to distinguish them all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark_(dairy_product)#Russian-style

 

https://natashaskitchen.com/2010/10/31/vareniki-with-potatoes-and-cheese/

 

 

Funny story about the origins of dumplings (probably Chinese):  https://www.history.com/news/hungry-history/delightful-delicious-dumplings

 

And here is more than you want to know about the history of pierogi, but interesting:  http://www.polskafoods.com/polish-food/facts-history-about-pierogi   I can see how the "pie" entered into the discussion earlier.  And the part about "pir" (festivity) makes sense.  My brother's friend comes from a Polish background.  Every year around Christmas time, they would get together, make and consume hundreds of pierogi with all kinds of fillings.

 

About The Polish Word “Pierogi.” 

You will be surprised how much there is to this little word.  You may see it in many forms such as:  “pierogi, perogi, perogy, pirohi, piroghi, pirogi, pirogen, pierogy, pirohy, pyrohy.”  While there are many types of dumplings found throughout Eurasia, the specific name pierogi, with its Proto-Slavic root "pir" (festivity) and its various cognates in the East and West Slavic languages shows the name predates the current standardized languages. However, we know that in most of the languages, the word means “pie.”  At Polska Foods, because we know the version of pierogi that comes from Poland, we always use the form “pierogi.”  Which, by the way, is actually plural.  The singular form is pieróg but you never hear anyone use this form since no one ever eats just one pierogi. So, even though many use the word “pierogies” in the United States, now you can be one of the few who knows the correct form: pierogi.

 

[FarangFB]

So I've been to the Ukraine Restaurant in Jomtien today.

 

Upon arrival I showed the guy my request (same photo as I posted here) and he said they have it. I asked if it was made with potato and cheese inside and he said only potato, I ordered it regardless. Unfortunately it was pretty much the same as the other Russian restaurants in Pattaya, it was good but nowhere near the one I'm looking for. 

 

The restaurant was very nice though, the menu had some very interesting items and the other stuff I ordered was great, definitely worth a visit and I will go back there again to try other stuff. Prices are very fair too.

 

I believe the latest posts are right, this is not a Russian nor Ukrainian dish (as I initially thought), it's probably the Polish variation. So my only chance is in Bangkok since there are no Polish restaurants in Pattaya. I might give it a try next time I go to Bangkok, but I'm losing hope.

[Jingthing]

The potato pancakes at Restaurant Ukraine are to die for ...