U.S. special counsel Robert Mueller subpoenas Trump business for Russia, other documents - NYT

[mrwebb8825]

36 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

There are also guilty pleas by Richard Pinedo and Alex van der Swaan. The upcoming Manafort trial and multiple Russian entities. 

Pinedo had nothing to do with the Trump campaign and Van Der Zwaan was a Dutch lawyer that worked for Manafort years ago. Again ,nothing to do with the Trump campaign. Nothing burgers.

[attrayant]

Money laundering and conspiracy are "nothing burgers"?  Nice to know where your morality lies.

 

What about Rick Gates?

[mtls2005]

31 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

Van Der Zwaan was a Dutch lawyer that worked for Manafort years ago. Again ,nothing to do with the Trump campaign.

 

We're told that this investigation is similar to organized crime investigations (like Mueller did with Gotti), so you've got to work your way up the criminal enterprise, by flipping the lower level goof-balls with the odd nicknames: George "Coffee Boy" Papadopolus, Don "Fredo" Trump Jr., Jared "Ralph Lauren of Arabia" Kushner, Ivanka "Proxy Wife" Trump, Fat Paulie Manafort, et al until you get to The Don.

 

Van Der Zwaan no doubt coughed up info on Fat Paulie, and his father-in-law German Khan (Russian-Ukrainian Billionaire) who is a Putin confidant and front-man for the Alfa Bank (which oddly had a server communicating with a Trump Org. server). Hopefully, he won't fall out of a window, and is employing a food taster.

[mrwebb8825]

18 minutes ago, attrayant said:

Money laundering and conspiracy are "nothing burgers"?  Nice to know where your morality lies.

 

What about Rick Gates?

Spin it how you like. They are nothing burgers in the Trump Campaign investigation. Sorry, should have written more slowly. 

[jcsmith]

1 hour ago, mrwebb8825 said:

Spin it how you like. They are nothing burgers in the Trump Campaign investigation. Sorry, should have written more slowly. 

And what exactly is PapaD? You can call him a coffee boy, but how did he know about the Russians having the DNC emails weeks before this information was publicly known? We know for a fact that Russia met with Kushner, Manafort, Don Jr and offered them dirt on Hillary Clinton, and that they knew this was going to be offered before they took the meeting. We also know that PapaD had in a drunken conversation made this confession before anyone in the public knew.

 

Why do their tweets also seem to allude to knowing this? Why did they all omit their meetings with the Russians on security clearance forms? Why did they lie about the purpose of the meetings, and on who was present in them? Why did Flynn call Kislyak and tell him not to worry about Obama sanctions? Why did they not fire Flynn until this and other red flags became public when they knew about said flags for weeks? Why was Roger Stone in contact with Guccifer? Why did they seem to bring on a slew of people with ties to Russia, most of who were on noone's radar beforehand? Why did Trump fire Comey? Why did it take his lawyer threatening to quit to prevent him from firing Mueller? Why does Trump seem to be wary of condemning Russia on anything? Why did they try to set up a back channel to Russia? Why does the American media seem to find out about Russia meetings through the Russian media? Why did Trump's son say a large amount of their business comes to Russia, and now they deny any business in Russia? Why did Trump go on TV and say he has no business in Russia and no desired business in Russia while he was still trying to secure a Trump Tower deal in Russia? Why did Trump claim to have met Putin, said they had a good relationship... and now he denies ever having met him until after the election? Why were they dealing with a sanctioned Russian bank? Why did Alfa Bank account for a large amount of traffic on an obscure Trump server?

 

The list goes on and on. The Mueller investigation is about finding an answer to those and other questions. If Trump is innocent he will be cleared. Yet he seems hellbent on shutting it down and discrediting it. So knowing all of that, why are you in favor of shutting it down? 

Edited March 20, 2018 by jcsmith

[attrayant]

1 hour ago, mrwebb8825 said:

Spin it how you like.

 

What spin are you referring to?  I just asked a question.

[Srikcir]

On 3/16/2018 at 6:09 AM, webfact said:

Mueller is investigating Russian attempts to influence the 2016 U.S. election, and potential collusion by Trump aides.

Some people were challenging the appropriateness of Mueller's investigation going further back than when Trump announced he was running president on June 16, 2015. Now we find that Cambridge Analytic hired by Trump donors were testing Trump campaign slogans in 2014. Slogans like Build that Wall, Deep State, NSA watching you, government conspiring against you and Drain the Swamp.

 

 

[mtls2005]

27 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Now we find that Cambridge Analytic hired by Trump donors were testing Trump campaign slogans in 2014.

To be fair, at the time they were Cruz donors, and these were slogans for Cruz. After he dropped out - and I'm not saying any Ukrainian gals were involved - the operation shifted over to Trump.

[riclag]

On 3/16/2018 at 10:33 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

It is far worse than that Berkshire.

 

Congress passed a bipartisan bill of sanctions on Russia in response to Russia's meddling in the 2016 US election - Trump refuses to sign bill into law.

 

The FBI, CIA, NRA and Congressional Committees have all concluded that Russia meddled in the 2016 election, continue to meddle in US politics and are fully expected to meddle in the 2018 mid-terms.

 

Trump has refused to give any orders or instructions to the US security services to counter the full expectation of Russian meddling in the mid-terms. 

 

Trump is clearly failing in his duty to protect the US in favour of Russia.

 

Mueller is on Trump's treachery, Schneiderman is on Trump's financial crimes. 

 

'The whole three ringed circus is coming down'.

 

 

CH how about sources  ? Congress passed a bipartisan bill of sanctions on Russia in response to Russia's meddling in the 2016 US election - Trump refuses to sign bill into law.

[jcsmith]

27 minutes ago, riclag said:

CH how about sources  ? Congress passed a bipartisan bill of sanctions on Russia in response to Russia's meddling in the 2016 US election - Trump refuses to sign bill into law.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/27/russia-sanctions-bill-senate-to-pass-241034

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/29/russia-sanctions-white-house-congress-376813

 

The first article is when congress passed them... in July. Trump let the deadline pass and decided not to impose them... and he waited 6 months to do it.

Edited March 20, 2018 by jcsmith

[riclag]

On 3/16/2018 at 1:20 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Guiliani is already under investigation by Mueller.

  Chomper Higgot :reliable sources that Mueller is investigating Guiliani

[riclag]

7 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

Seems the Opioid epidemic has nothing on the Trumpioid epidemic going on in here. Any business dealings prior to becoming a candidate has nothing to do with the so called "collusion investigation". All business dealings after becoming a candidate were handled by the board and didn't involve President Trump.

Mueller has all but admitted he's wasted millions and come up empty so he's desperately trying to find anything at all to justify his fragile existence.

 Sources please:All business dealings after becoming a candidate were handled by the board and didn't involve President Trump

[mtls2005]

23 minutes ago, riclag said:

Chomper Higgot :reliable sources that Mueller is investigating Guiliani

 

Not sure Rudy Guiliani is "under investigation", but his name has come in the course of various investigative threads:

 

Alfa Bank - van der Zwaan/Khan - Alfa Bank was a Guiliani client

 

Tight with Alfa Bank honcho Khan

 

Alfa Bank <--> Trump Org <--> Spectrum (DeVos firm)

 

tight with Lavrov for ~ 15 years

 

in Russia a lot for "business" and getting "awards"

 

spotted last November in the Ukraine, attending a "security" conference, in the company of Hennadiy Kernes

 

 

 

Rudy G.'s been keeping a low profile so some speculation he may be in deep doo-doo. There are some rumors that he is the subject of at least one sealed indictment.

 

 

[riclag]

2 hours ago, jcsmith said:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/27/russia-sanctions-bill-senate-to-pass-241034

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/29/russia-sanctions-white-house-congress-376813

 

The first article is when congress passed them... in July. Trump let the deadline pass and decided not to impose them... and he waited 6 months to do it.

"The Trump administration informed lawmakers Monday that new Russia sanctions called for in a bipartisan bill passed last year are not necessary yet because the measure is already "serving as a deterrent."

 

"Given the long time frames generally associated with major defense deals, the results of this effort are only beginning to become apparent. From that perspective, if the law is working, sanctions on specific entities or individuals will not need to be imposed because the legislation is, in fact, serving as a deterrent."

This was PT  administration reason for not supporting it. 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/29/russia-sanctions-white-house-congress-376813

[Jingthing]

Stated reason. Really reason is something else. Kompromat anyone?

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[riclag]

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Stated reason. Really reason is something else. Kompromat anyone?

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state your kompromat "JingThing"

Edited March 20, 2018 by riclag

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, riclag said:

state your kompromat "JingThing"

No. 

The point is that based on a wealth of evidence, almost nothing being announced from  the "trump" white house should be accepted at face value. He's to lying what Liberace was to camp. 

 

 

Also, whether dictator Putin has Kompramat or not on our ridiculous potus -- "trump" certainly ACTS like he does. 

Edited March 20, 2018 by Jingthing

[riclag]

your opinion, fair enough

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

your opinion, fair enough

Dude, if we knew what the Kompramat was, it would no longer have any value as Kompramat! But there have been leaks ...  

[mrwebb8825]

18 hours ago, jcsmith said:

We also know that PapaD had in a drunken conversation made this confession before anyone in the public knew.

President Trump doesn't drink, never has. Your fantasy is without merit.

[mrwebb8825]

17 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

To be fair, at the time they were Cruz donors, and these were slogans for Cruz. After he dropped out - and I'm not saying any Ukrainian gals were involved - the operation shifted over to Trump.

Not to mention that this is the same "whistle blower" that was fired from that place for trying to blackmail MZ into giving him a job at FB.

Would love to see documented proof that these slogans existed in 2014 even though nobody ever heard of them until 2016.

[mtls2005]

46 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

President Trump doesn't drink, never has. Your fantasy is without merit.

 

Meh.

 

Prior to the premature death of his brother, and favored son, Fred Jr. at age 43 in 1981, owing to alcoholism, Donald gave up alcohol sometime afterwards. Prior to that he was said to imbibe, and ingest. He loves publicity so expect there are photos, or tapes from Howard Stern.

[jcsmith]

1 hour ago, mrwebb8825 said:

President Trump doesn't drink, never has. Your fantasy is without merit.

I said PapaD as in Papadoupuolos or however the heck you spell his name. Now armed with that, I'd love you to try to debate any of the long list of questions I have put out there, or to try to find something that is inaccurate in them.

[Morch]

7 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

Not to mention that this is the same "whistle blower" that was fired from that place for trying to blackmail MZ into giving him a job at FB.

Would love to see documented proof that these slogans existed in 2014 even though nobody ever heard of them until 2016.

 

"Would love to see documented proof that these slogans existed in 2014 even though nobody ever heard of them until 2016."

 

 

 

[mrwebb8825]

15 hours ago, Morch said:

 

"Would love to see documented proof that these slogans existed in 2014 even though nobody ever heard of them until 2016."

 

 

 

Seriously? A parody from a dead show about the fencing GWB had added to help border patrol doesn't exactly qualify as "Built The Wall" from 2016, but nice try. 

[mrwebb8825]

On 3/20/2018 at 3:01 PM, jcsmith said:

Why was Roger Stone in contact with Guccifer?

He told the Washington Times that he corresponded on Twitter with “Guccifer 2.0,” the self-described “hacktivist” from Romania who claims responsibility for the breach of the DNC’s email servers last summer.

 

Last time I checked, Romania was part of Europe, not Russia.

[Morch]

44 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

Seriously? A parody from a dead show about the fencing GWB had added to help border patrol doesn't exactly qualify as "Built The Wall" from 2016, but nice try. 

 

Oh...you took it seriously? That explains a lot.

Other than the similarities being quite amusing, and the show being a good one - it may also not be "dead" after all, perhaps thanks to Trump:

 

Inspired by Trump, Netflix revives Bluths for new 'Arrested Development'

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-television-arresteddevelopment/inspired-by-trump-netflix-revives-bluths-for-new-arrested-development-idUSKCN18D1V0

 

 

[Morch]

42 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

He told the Washington Times that he corresponded on Twitter with “Guccifer 2.0,” the self-described “hacktivist” from Romania who claims responsibility for the breach of the DNC’s email servers last summer.

 

Last time I checked, Romania was part of Europe, not Russia.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0#Identity

[Credo]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0#Identity

From the link:

 

Guccifer 2.0" stated that he is not Russian.^[32][33][34] However, despite stating that he was unable to read or understand Russian, metadata of emails sent from Guccifer 2.0 to The Hill showed that a predominantly-Russian-language VPN was used.^[35] When pressed to use the Rom

[mrwebb8825]

1 minute ago, Credo said:

From the link:

 

Guccifer 2.0" stated that he is not Russian.^[32][33][34] However, despite stating that he was unable to read or understand Russian, metadata of emails sent from Guccifer 2.0 to The Hill showed that a predominantly-Russian-language VPN was used.^[35] When pressed to use the Rom

VPNs have translators to multiple languages. Perhaps there should be a seperate EU election meddling investigation opened. Oh, that's right, they only stiff us in trade but are still our friend.