Online Teaching

[mommysboy]

2 minutes ago, Loaded said:

You tell an embassy/consulate visa officer the reason for your application. If you lie or misrepresent the reason (I want a visa but I'm not going to tell you I'm working as an online teacher in Thailand for example), you have committed fraud.

 

You, and other online 'teachers', misrepresent the reason for your visa application because you know it's illegal to teach online in Thailand without a non-immigrant visa and work permit for that purpose.

 

 

 

Not at all. You really have lost the plot!

[pearciderman]

11 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Why would anyone declare things that are legal, tolerated, etc?

 

Are you aware of the difference between legal and tolerated? (It would seem not).

 

12 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

they regard anything a farang does as transgression.

 

Ah, so only things done by a white westerner are considered transgressions, everyone else is OK. Guess you meant to use the word foreigner, schoolboy error.

[somchaismith]

An interesting thread.

 

It appears that if a person is working online remotely in Thailand for an out of country employer then the MoL and DoE don't regard this as working in Thailand for work permit and visa purposes. Good to know.

[Loaded]

10 minutes ago, somchaismith said:

An interesting thread.

 

It appears that if a person is working online remotely in Thailand for an out of country employer then the MoL and DoE don't regard this as working in Thailand for work permit and visa purposes. Good to know.

Get legal.

[mommysboy]

11 minutes ago, pearciderman said:

 

Are you aware of the difference between legal and tolerated? (It would seem not).

 

 

Ah, so only things done by a white westerner are considered transgressions, everyone else is OK. Guess you meant to use the word foreigner, schoolboy error.

 

Yes, I do.  Unlike you I can also differentiate between many concepts, subtle or otherwise, eg, illegal, unlawful, or neither.

 

Farang is a general term applied to most foreigners in Thailand, regardless of colour- again real life intruding!

 

As for schoolboy error....the argument you constantly present lacks coherence and cogency.  

 

Just one question... a bit off topic.: How on earth did you naysayers ever get to teach?  And please don't tell me you are allowed anywhere near an IELTS student for example.

[mommysboy]

14 minutes ago, somchaismith said:

An interesting thread.

 

It appears that if a person is working online remotely in Thailand for an out of country employer then the MoL and DoE don't regard this as working in Thailand for work permit and visa purposes. Good to know.

In effect, yes, you are right.

[somchaismith]

2 minutes ago, Loaded said:

Get legal.

It appears that you may have to swallow your pride old boy and stand corrected.

[Loaded]

"To be able to legally work in Thailand the foreigner must have a valid non-immigrant visa and a work permit issued in his name allowing him to perform a specific job at a specific location for a specific company in Thailand."

 

https://www.thailandlawonline.com/translations/foreign-employment-working-of-aliens-act

 

Show me the exclusion for remote workers, online teachers or overseas companies without a legal presence in Thailand.

 

You can't, but everything is OK because you, and a digital gonad blog, says it is.

 

get legal crims.

 

 

[Happy Grumpy]

2 hours ago, somchaismith said:

An interesting thread.

 

It appears that if a person is working online remotely in Thailand for an out of country employer then the MoL and DoE don't regard this as working in Thailand for work permit and visa purposes. Good to know.

Absolutely correct.

 

It is fully correct and legal under Thai law.

 

[Loaded]

2 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

Absolutely correct.

 

It is fully correct and legal under Thai law.

 

show us the law

[Happy Grumpy]

1 hour ago, Loaded said:

To be able to legally work in Thailand

 

1 hour ago, Loaded said:

Show me the exclusion for remote workers, online teachers

They aren't working in Thailand.

 

They are working remotely. 

 

 

To work in a factory you need a safety license. Remote worker comes in to visit his partner, takes a video call and works remotely while there. He's not working in the factory and doesn't need the safety license.

 

 

Just because you don't understand English and Thai, doesn't mean that the MoL and immigration don't.

 

 

Cheers.

 

 

[Johnniey]

4 minutes ago, Loaded said:

show us the law

God, you're getting boring. YOU show us the law that says online teaching is illegal. 

Just admit it, you don't know the law for this industry and are making many assumptions.

[Loaded]

Lol

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[lemonjelly]

Back to the topic...... can anyone recommend an online teaching agency where one would have some flexibility regarding teaching hours?

cheers.

[Happy Grumpy]

9 minutes ago, Loaded said:

show us the law

It's all there on the MFA website.

 

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15388-Non-Immigrant-Visa-"B"-(for-Business-and.html

 

 

 

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 Corporate documents of hiring company in Thailand such as:
                1) business registration and business license
                2) list of shareholders
                3) company profile
                4) details of business operation
                5) list of foreign workers stating names, nationalities and positions
                6) map indicating location of the company
                7) balance sheet, statement of Income Tax and Business Tax (Por Ngor Dor 50 and Por Ngor Dor 30 of the latest year)
               8) value-added tax registration (Por Por 20)

Working in Thailand is only legally considered working when the firm is Thai or has business in Thailand.

 

Only those employed in Thailand by Thai firms or firms in Thailand are legally considered as working in Thailand by the MFA, MoL, and Immigration. Those employed remotely outside of Thailand aren't considered as working in Thailand and don't come under the Alien Worker's Act.

 

MFA, MoL, Immigration.

 

 

Cheers.

[pearciderman]

2 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Farang is a general term applied to most foreigners in Thailand, regardless of colour-

 

Only by people who know no better. Farang has everything to do with colour and country of origin.

[Happy Grumpy]

17 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

To work in a factory you need a safety license. Remote worker comes in to visit his partner, takes a video call and works remotely while there. He's not working in the factory and doesn't need the safety license.

 

Simple case in point.

 

They get a pass to enter the factory to visit their partner in their office, or to study something in an educational office, they take the remote video calls while in their partner's office or in the education department, are they legally considered as working in the factory and need the safety licence and permit that the factory workers are required to get before working on the factory line?

 

Whatcha reckon L?

 

 

Cheers.

[pearciderman]

Just now, Happy Grumpy said:

They get a pass to enter the factory to visit their partner in their office, or to study something in an educational office, they take the remote video calls while in their partner's office or in the education department, are they legally considered as working in the factory and need the safety licence and permit that the factory workers are required to get before working on the factory line?

 

Excellent point, according to your reasoning you are sitting in Thailand and teaching a child in China, but you do not need to adhere to the employment laws of China because you are not there. Ergo, as you are in Thailand, you must adhere to their employment and immigration laws.

[Johnniey]

5 minutes ago, pearciderman said:

 

Only by people who know no better. Farang has everything to do with colour and country of origin.

Some Thais are called farang too. I've often heard "passaa farang" too, which has nothing to do with country. 

[Happy Grumpy]

6 minutes ago, pearciderman said:

in China, but you do not need to adhere to the employment laws of China because you are not there. Ergo, as you are in Thailand, you must adhere to their employment and immigration laws.

You are adhering to the Thai employment and immigration laws.

 

You are not working for a Thai firm or a firm in Thailand, and are not breaking any of their employment or immigration laws.

 

 

Cheers. 

[pearciderman]

5 minutes ago, Johnniey said:

Some Thais are called farang too. I've often heard "passaa farang" too, which has nothing to do with country. 

 

Never heard a Thai being called farang, never heard passa farang either, but all that means is "speak English". You are still incorrect in thinking that farang is a synonym of foreigner, it is not.

[pearciderman]

2 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

You are adhering to the Thai employment and immigration laws.

 

You are not working for a Thai firm or a firm in Thailand, and are not breaking any of their employment or immigration laws.

 

 

Cheers. 

 

The definition of work in Thai law makes no mention of who employs you, only the fact that you are in Thailand.

 

Or do digital begpackers not need to respect any laws at all. 

[Johnniey]

9 minutes ago, pearciderman said:

 

Never heard a Thai being called farang, never heard passa farang either, but all that means is "speak English". You are still incorrect in thinking that farang is a synonym of foreigner, it is not.

I never said it was a synonym, but actually it is for most Thais. I do, of course know the correct words for foreigner in Thai.

You obviously can't speak Thai, so must be hard to come to conclusions on Thai words.

[Happy Grumpy]

11 minutes ago, pearciderman said:

The definition of work in Thai law makes no mention of who employs you, only the fact that you are in Thailand.

They are in Thailand, they aren't working in Thailand, they are working remotely while in Thailand.

 

That's the law. Alien Worker's Law only applies to those working in Thailand - for Thai firms or firms here. Hence why they have the WP application requirements as:

 

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Corporate documents of hiring company in Thailand such as:
                1) business registration and business license
                2) list of shareholders
                3) company profile
                4) details of business operation
                5) list of foreign workers stating names, nationalities and positions
                6) map indicating location of the company
                7) balance sheet, statement of Income Tax and Business Tax (Por Ngor Dor 50 and Por Ngor Dor 30 of the latest year)
               8) value-added tax registration (Por Por 20)

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15388-Non-Immigrant-Visa-"B"-(for-Business-and.html

 

Only workers in Thailand come under the act. As per the law.

 

 

Cheers.

 

[Loaded]

51 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

It's all there on the MFA website.

 

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15388-Non-Immigrant-Visa-"B"-(for-Business-and.html

 

 

 

Working in Thailand is only legally considered working when the firm is Thai or has business in Thailand.

 

Only those employed in Thailand by Thai firms or firms in Thailand are legally considered as working in Thailand by the MFA, MoL, and Immigration. Those employed remotely outside of Thailand aren't considered as working in Thailand and don't come under the Alien Worker's Act.

 

MFA, MoL, Immigration.

 

 

Cheers.

It doesn't say that you loony.

[Loaded]

2 hours ago, Loaded said:

"To be able to legally work in Thailand the foreigner must have a valid non-immigrant visa and a work permit issued in his name allowing him to perform a specific job at a specific location for a specific company in Thailand."

 

https://www.thailandlawonline.com/translations/foreign-employment-working-of-aliens-act

 

Show me the exclusion for remote workers, online teachers or overseas companies without a legal presence in Thailand.

 

You can't, but everything is OK because you, and a digital gonad blog, says it is.

 

get legal crims.

 

 

 

[Happy Grumpy]

^^

 

Corporate documents of hiring company in Thailand such as:
                1) business registration and business license
                2) list of shareholders
                3) company profile
                4) details of business operation
                5) list of foreign workers stating names, nationalities and positions
                6) map indicating location of the company
                7) balance sheet, statement of Income Tax and Business Tax (Por Ngor Dor 50 and Por Ngor Dor 30 of the latest year)
               8) value-added tax registration (Por Por 20)

https://www.thailandlawonline.com/translations/foreign-employment-working-of-aliens-act

 

 

 

Those employed by non-Thai companies, or companies not in Thailand (those employed remotely) don't come under the Alien Employment Act.

 

 

Cheers.

[Happy Grumpy]

2 minutes ago, Loaded said:

to legally work in Thailand

Under the MFA, immigration and MoL, remotely employed workers are not legally considered to be working in Thailand.

 

 

 

Cheers.

[Loaded]

But you can't provide any evidence lol

Because it's not true.

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[Loaded]

^^
 
Corporate documents of hiring company in Thailand such as:
                1) business registration and business license
                2) list of shareholders
                3) company profile
                4) details of business operation
                5) list of foreign workers stating names, nationalities and positions
                6) map indicating location of the company
                7) balance sheet, statement of Income Tax and Business Tax (Por Ngor Dor 50 and Por Ngor Dor 30 of the latest year)
               8) value-added tax registration (Por Por 20)
https://www.thailandlawonline.com/translations/foreign-employment-working-of-aliens-act
 
 
 
Those employed by non-Thai companies, or companies not in Thailand (those employed remotely) don't come under the Alien Employment Act.
 
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Cheers.

And that is stated where?

Lol

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