What's your (local) ping if you have fiber?

[pete66]

With VDSL, my local ping is 16-17ms. Does this go down appreciably with a fiber connection?

 

(And yes, I appreciate ping to USA will always be 200ms+. But most stuff I access is cached here in BKK or Singapore)

 

Thanks

[johng]

With VDSL, my local ping is 16-17ms. Does this go down appreciably with a fiber connection
 
Thanks

No the thing that may improve ping times is less hops or maybe better equipment along the route with less congestion...speed of signal going through the wire or fibre cable is about the same from my understanding.

[Pib]

How are you doing this ping test?  Using the ping command to a specific website?  Maybe doing a speedtest using a certain speedtester to a specific BKK or SG test server?  What I'm saying how and where you to ping to (even within the same city) can cause significant differences in ping time.  Time of day/internet loading can also affect ping time, especially when reaching  outside of Thailand.  Different speedtesters even to the same city will give different results since difference test servers are being use.

 

I'm on AIS Fibre here in Bangkok and my ping time is about half of what your are getting.   Below are some ping results using speedtest.net to specific test servers in Bangkok and Singapore since you mentioned those two cities....and few just to the U.S. east and west coast.  I"m also doing the tests via Wifi connection within my home; if I did an Ethernet connection to my router I might shave off a millisecond or two in ping time as your router even introduces some delay....usually a little more delay when on a Wifi connection vs Ethernet connection.

 

Using Speedtest.net to get ping times

To AIS server in Bangkok: 6ms

To 3BB server in Bangkok: 8ms

To CAT server in Bangkok: 10ms

Note: how the three different servers here in Bangkok gave very significant differences in ping time "percentage wise' with the CAT server ping time being 67% slower that the AIS server.   And probably because my AIS ping time was the fastest is because I'm on AIS Fibre and probably to routed thru fewer switches/servers to reach the AIS test server.   But I don't always get the fastest ping time when testing to the AIS server....sometimes it might be the CAT server.

 

To New Media Express server in Singapore: 33ms

To SingTel server in Singapore: 38ms

 

To Fastmetrics in San Francisco: 226ms

To AT&T server in New York City: 256ms

 

Ping time can be affected by so many things even when testing to "nearby" servers.  If the local network has new equipment ping time could be faster than a local network with older equipment.   Could switching to a fiber network decrease your ping time?  The answer is maybe yes, maybe no.   Not trying to be a smart-ass, just stating a fact.   

 

And international ping time can be affected by the routing the ISP is using....maybe he's using a "the long way" routing because he got a better deal/cheaper price for international bandwidth by using that longer routing offer by some company....so, so many companies selling international bandwidth.

 

I was on a True DOCSIS (cable) plan for around 5 years up until mid 2016 when I switched to AIS Fibre.  I didn't notice any significant difference in ping times.   I was only TOT ADSL before I was on True DOCSIS and that is really too far back for my memory cells to remember accurately but I don't think I noticed any significant difference in ping time in comparison to the newer/faster technologies of DOCSIS and fiber. 

 

So, if memory cells serve me right I really haven't notice any difference in ping times between ADSL, DOCSIS/cable, or fiber over the last 10 years at my home here in Bangkok.   All these different technologies have basically the same ping time because they all must comply with speed of light law and other limiting factors as to how fast electron/photons can travel through internet connections, electronic components such as switches/relays/amplifiers, etc. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[pete66]

Many thanks for your comprehensive answer. Yes, I'm using speedtest.net to ping various BKK servers, and with my 3BB VDSL, I get 16ms to 18ms consistently.

 

For Singapore,  it's 30ms to 40ms.

 

The thing is, my 3BB VDSL connection is actually pretty quick. It does way above what it's advertised at. Even to Singapore, I get 78 Mbps down and 22 Mbps up. The connection is also very stable. It's been down twice in a year, for less than 30 minutes.

 

So... I keep asking myself, is there any point upgrading to fiber. What benefits, if any, would a 100/30 fiber connection offer me? I will pay more... and I'm struggling to see any real benefits, apart from slightly better ping time.

 

I know VDSL is old tech, but if it ain't broke, and all that.....

[KhunBENQ]

A ping command (from Windows cmd) to some ToT server in Bangkok (203.113.44.237) gives me 14 to 15 ms.

I am on ToT fiber and out in the sticks (about 400 km linear from Bangkok).

(400 km * 2 / 250'000 km/s) would count for only 3 ms extra.

But who knows what the real path/distance is.

250'000 km/s: some estimate for propagation in fiber cables.

 

To the OP : where are you located?

[muratremix]

VDSL is in interleave mode causes +8 to +16 ms ping.

So yes if you go to fiber you'll get <10 ms ping locally, probably 5ms inside Bangkok.

 

I get 10ms bangkok from Samui to Bangkok Internet gateway hop of 3BB via fiber.

[Pib]

1 hour ago, muratremix said:

VDSL is in interleave mode causes +8 to +16 ms ping.

So yes if you go to fiber you'll get <10 ms ping locally, probably 5ms inside Bangkok.

 

I get 10ms bangkok from Samui to Bangkok Internet gateway hop of 3BB via fiber.

Interesting...first I've heard of interleave mode.  But some googling talks about two modes that can be used with xDSL lines....Fast mode and Interleave mode.  Interleave mode is for noisier lines....increases latency/ping time.  More info below.

 

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r4345855-Interleaved-vs-Fast-Mode

[pete66]

I am at Bang Na.

 

The gist of my question, really, is whether fiber, apart from slightly better ping, has any inherent advantages, over VDSL?

[johng]

3 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

A ping command (from Windows cmd) to some ToT server in Bangkok (203.113.44.237) gives me 14 to 15 ms.

 

mines worse  ToT ADSL  Chonburi

 

Pinging 203.113.44.237 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=252
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=252
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=252
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=252

Ping statistics for 203.113.44.237:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 27ms, Maximum = 28ms, Average = 27ms

[Ks45672]

19 minutes ago, pete66 said:

I am at Bang Na.

 

The gist of my question, really, is whether fiber, apart from slightly better ping, has any inherent advantages, over VDSL?

Yes

Fibre will probably get faster and cheaper every year

Vdsl has technical limitations that cannot be overcome so its probably as fast as it ever will be now 

[KhunBENQ]

53 minutes ago, johng said:

mines worse  ToT ADSL  Chonburi

That's indeed "slow".

I again checked this IP and it is shown to be in the Bangkok area and ping unchanged at 15 ms.

So you are closer and ping slower.

?

 

 

Edited April 19, 2018 by KhunBENQ

[johng]

44 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

That's indeed "slow".

Tracing route to 203.113.44.237 over a maximum of 30 hops

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  DD-WRT [192.168.1.1]
  2    54 ms     *       24 ms  203.113.40.82
  3   164 ms   220 ms    25 ms  203.113.40.201
  4    49 ms    29 ms    25 ms  203.113.44.237

Trace complete.

[KhunBENQ]

The last few tracert attempts had quite a variation, but this seems typical:

(2 is a timeout)

 

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2     *        *        *     ....
  3     2 ms     2 ms     2 ms  203.113.40.93
  4    13 ms    15 ms    13 ms  203.113.44.237

[Pib]

14 hours ago, johng said:

mines worse  ToT ADSL  Chonburi

 

Pinging 203.113.44.237 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=252
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=252
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=252
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=252

Ping statistics for 203.113.44.237:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 27ms, Maximum = 28ms, Average = 27ms

 

AIS Fibre from western Bangkok.  

 

Pinging 203.113.44.237 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=248
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=248
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=248
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=248

Ping statistics for 203.113.44.237:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 9ms, Maximum = 20ms, Average = 15ms

[pieeyed]

This is in Thailand.

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[johng]

On 4/19/2018 at 7:04 PM, johng said:

mines worse  ToT ADSL  Chonburi

 

Pinging 203.113.44.237 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=252
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=252
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=252
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=252

Ping statistics for 203.113.44.237:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 27ms, Maximum = 28ms, Average = 27ms

And now with "super duper"  ToT  50/20 Mbps fiber

 

Pinging 203.113.44.237 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=252
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=252
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=252
Reply from 203.113.44.237: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=252

Ping statistics for 203.113.44.237:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 4ms, Maximum = 5ms, Average = 4ms

 

But I noticed last evening while trying to watch my favourite IPTV station from Japan

that it was buffering and stopping even on the lowest quality setting

and doing a speed test to  http://speedtest1.totbroadband.com/

resulted in download speed of about 3Mbps  upload of about 16 Mbps

so it would seem to me that ToT  may be doing some bandwidth throttling at peak times

this afternoon speed is as advertised

 

 

 

Edited May 27, 2018 by johng

[tweedledee2]

I live about 12 km NE of Surin near Ban Sano school. I now have 3BB 100/30 fiber and is a dedicated line that originates from the village 1 km away.  My SpeedTest ext.on Chrome browser shows 15 ms ping and 110.6/33/72 to Thai Visa server.  A separate SpeedTest app shows 9 ms ping and 122.33/39.79 to 3BB in Bangkok.  Previously I had 3BB vdsl 30/10 that was actually 33+/12+.   It met my expectations when gaming or streaming video from the US and UK.  In early April, I was having an issue with disconnects and suspected it was the modem, so I took it to the 3BB shop to exchange it. Staff said they did not have replacements and said I needed to upgrade to fiber.  Performance wise for my needs, I see very little difference but the 110 baht more monthly cost.