Corruption Probes: Ministers Won't Point The Finger

Jai Dee · April 23, 2007

Justice Minister denies instructing AMLO to inspect transactions of old power clique

Justice Minister dismisses rumors that he has instructed the Anti-Money Laundering Office (AMLO) to inspect transactions of the old power clique which funds political movements of politicians.

Justice Minister Charnchai Likhitjitha (ชาญชัย ลิขิตจิตถะ) says AMLO Secretary-General Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon Dissamarn (ยุทธบูล ดิสสะมาน) affirmed he did not inform the media of the inspection of transactions. According to the minister, Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon said AMLO only inspects transactions according to the courts’ orders and requests made by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC). In addition, AEC’s requests for inspection of transactions must be relevant to cases which AEC is investgating.

Mr Charnchai adds that he has already clarified the rumors to Prime Minister Surayud Chalunont.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 23 April 2007

hammered · April 23, 2007

Justice Minister denies instructing AMLO to inspect transactions of old power clique
Justice Minister dismisses rumors that he has instructed the Anti-Money Laundering Office (AMLO) to inspect transactions of the old power clique which funds political movements of politicians.

Justice Minister Charnchai Likhitjitha (ชาญชัย ลิขิตจิตถะ) says AMLO Secretary-General Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon Dissamarn (ยุทธบูล ดิสสะมาน) affirmed he did not inform the media of the inspection of transactions. According to the minister, Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon said AMLO only inspects transactions according to the courts’ orders and requests made by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC). In addition, AEC’s requests for inspection of transactions must be relevant to cases which AEC is investgating.

Mr Charnchai adds that he has already clarified the rumors to Prime Minister Surayud Chalunont.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 23 April 2007

One wonders why the AMLO has not been instructed to inspect transactions when there are so many corruption cases pending and there are accusations of the buying of demonstrators. Surely inspecting transactions could clear these issues up. It seems that ministers are more concerned with distancing themselves from anything that could clarify issues. Strange especially when even the TRT guys are asking the government to give details of the buying of demonstrators.

Old Man River · April 23, 2007

Justice Minister denies instructing AMLO to inspect transactions of old power clique
Justice Minister dismisses rumors that he has instructed the Anti-Money Laundering Office (AMLO) to inspect transactions of the old power clique which funds political movements of politicians.

Justice Minister Charnchai Likhitjitha (ชาญชัย ลิขิตจิตถะ) says AMLO Secretary-General Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon Dissamarn (ยุทธบูล ดิสสะมาน) affirmed he did not inform the media of the inspection of transactions. According to the minister, Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon said AMLO only inspects transactions according to the courts’ orders and requests made by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC). In addition, AEC’s requests for inspection of transactions must be relevant to cases which AEC is investgating.

Mr Charnchai adds that he has already clarified the rumors to Prime Minister Surayud Chalunont.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 23 April 2007

One wonders why the AMLO has not been instructed to inspect transactions when there are so many corruption cases pending ...

This is the biggest question there is. Everyone knows to follow the money.

blaze · April 23, 2007

Justice Minister denies instructing AMLO to inspect transactions of old power clique
Justice Minister dismisses rumors that he has instructed the Anti-Money Laundering Office (AMLO) to inspect transactions of the old power clique which funds political movements of politicians.

Justice Minister Charnchai Likhitjitha (ชาญชัย ลิขิตจิตถะ) says AMLO Secretary-General Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon Dissamarn (ยุทธบูล ดิสสะมาน) affirmed he did not inform the media of the inspection of transactions. According to the minister, Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon said AMLO only inspects transactions according to the courts’ orders and requests made by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC). In addition, AEC’s requests for inspection of transactions must be relevant to cases which AEC is investgating.

Mr Charnchai adds that he has already clarified the rumors to Prime Minister Surayud Chalunont.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 23 April 2007

One wonders why the AMLO has not been instructed to inspect transactions when there are so many corruption cases pending and there are accusations of the buying of demonstrators. Surely inspecting transactions could clear these issues up. It seems that ministers are more concerned with distancing themselves from anything that could clarify issues. Strange especially when even the TRT guys are asking the government to give details of the buying of demonstrators.

"The government was under pressure yesterday to back up its accusation that old power groups paid former MPs to carry out political activities aimed at toppling the regime. "

That from a story on another thread.

If the gov't actually goes looking for proof- and instructs the AMLO to produce it- the AMLO is just liable to say- there is none.

Better to avoid opening that can of worms at all and just leave everything at the level of rumor and innuendo.

Maybe.

Old Man River · April 23, 2007

Justice Minister denies instructing AMLO to inspect transactions of old power clique
Justice Minister dismisses rumors that he has instructed the Anti-Money Laundering Office (AMLO) to inspect transactions of the old power clique which funds political movements of politicians.

Justice Minister Charnchai Likhitjitha (ชาญชัย ลิขิตจิตถะ) says AMLO Secretary-General Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon Dissamarn (ยุทธบูล ดิสสะมาน) affirmed he did not inform the media of the inspection of transactions. According to the minister, Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon said AMLO only inspects transactions according to the courts’ orders and requests made by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC). In addition, AEC’s requests for inspection of transactions must be relevant to cases which AEC is investgating.

Mr Charnchai adds that he has already clarified the rumors to Prime Minister Surayud Chalunont.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 23 April 2007

One wonders why the AMLO has not been instructed to inspect transactions when there are so many corruption cases pending and there are accusations of the buying of demonstrators. Surely inspecting transactions could clear these issues up. It seems that ministers are more concerned with distancing themselves from anything that could clarify issues. Strange especially when even the TRT guys are asking the government to give details of the buying of demonstrators.

"The government was under pressure yesterday to back up its accusation that old power groups paid former MPs to carry out political activities aimed at toppling the regime. "

That from a story on another thread.

If the gov't actually goes looking for proof- and instructs the AMLO to produce it- the AMLO is just liable to say- there is none.

Better to avoid opening that can of worms at all and just leave everything at the level of rumor and innuendo.

Maybe.

I see what you are saying, but the government was able to get away with that stuff early on. Then, the government was given the benefit of the doubt. Now, hard proof needs to be produced. It seems incredulous that such proof is not available. Perhaps not Thaksin specifically, but others close enough and at a scale large enough for people to take notice. Otherwise, national reconciliation is a pipe dream.

hammered · April 23, 2007

Justice Minister denies instructing AMLO to inspect transactions of old power clique
Justice Minister dismisses rumors that he has instructed the Anti-Money Laundering Office (AMLO) to inspect transactions of the old power clique which funds political movements of politicians.

Justice Minister Charnchai Likhitjitha (ชาญชัย ลิขิตจิตถะ) says AMLO Secretary-General Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon Dissamarn (ยุทธบูล ดิสสะมาน) affirmed he did not inform the media of the inspection of transactions. According to the minister, Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon said AMLO only inspects transactions according to the courts’ orders and requests made by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC). In addition, AEC’s requests for inspection of transactions must be relevant to cases which AEC is investgating.

Mr Charnchai adds that he has already clarified the rumors to Prime Minister Surayud Chalunont.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 23 April 2007

One wonders why the AMLO has not been instructed to inspect transactions when there are so many corruption cases pending and there are accusations of the buying of demonstrators. Surely inspecting transactions could clear these issues up. It seems that ministers are more concerned with distancing themselves from anything that could clarify issues. Strange especially when even the TRT guys are asking the government to give details of the buying of demonstrators.

"The government was under pressure yesterday to back up its accusation that old power groups paid former MPs to carry out political activities aimed at toppling the regime. "

That from a story on another thread.

If the gov't actually goes looking for proof- and instructs the AMLO to produce it- the AMLO is just liable to say- there is none.

Better to avoid opening that can of worms at all and just leave everything at the level of rumor and innuendo.

Maybe.

I see what you are saying, but the government was able to get away with that stuff early on. Then, the government was given the benefit of the doubt. Now, hard proof needs to be produced. It seems incredulous that such proof is not available. Perhaps not Thaksin specifically, but others close enough and at a scale large enough for people to take notice. Otherwise, national reconciliation is a pipe dream.

Actually you could read Blaze's comment two ways. One reading is that the government is worried there is no evidence, which to most seems unlikely with so many cases. Then there is also another reading meaning AMLO is liable to say there is none even if there is. It has been widely reported that state agencies have been averse to producing evidence even when ordered. In this there is a conundrum. Those who maybe can oproduce the evidence are unwilling as they fear later retribution by another politcal group which also invites the question do those working in the state agencies feel that the government want to fully prosecute and destroy previously powerful people. If those asked to produce evidence dont feel this is the case then the evidence will in all likelihood be even harder to find.

Of course another explanation is that the current government just do not want to ask AMLO because they do not intend to seriously pursue the cases but would rather work out a deal. It seems increasing numbers of Thai people seem to think this is the case now.

Old Man River · April 23, 2007

Justice Minister denies instructing AMLO to inspect transactions of old power clique
Justice Minister dismisses rumors that he has instructed the Anti-Money Laundering Office (AMLO) to inspect transactions of the old power clique which funds political movements of politicians.

Justice Minister Charnchai Likhitjitha (ชาญชัย ลิขิตจิตถะ) says AMLO Secretary-General Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon Dissamarn (ยุทธบูล ดิสสะมาน) affirmed he did not inform the media of the inspection of transactions. According to the minister, Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon said AMLO only inspects transactions according to the courts’ orders and requests made by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC). In addition, AEC’s requests for inspection of transactions must be relevant to cases which AEC is investgating.

Mr Charnchai adds that he has already clarified the rumors to Prime Minister Surayud Chalunont.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 23 April 2007

One wonders why the AMLO has not been instructed to inspect transactions when there are so many corruption cases pending and there are accusations of the buying of demonstrators. Surely inspecting transactions could clear these issues up. It seems that ministers are more concerned with distancing themselves from anything that could clarify issues. Strange especially when even the TRT guys are asking the government to give details of the buying of demonstrators.

"The government was under pressure yesterday to back up its accusation that old power groups paid former MPs to carry out political activities aimed at toppling the regime. "

That from a story on another thread.

If the gov't actually goes looking for proof- and instructs the AMLO to produce it- the AMLO is just liable to say- there is none.

Better to avoid opening that can of worms at all and just leave everything at the level of rumor and innuendo.

Maybe.

I see what you are saying, but the government was able to get away with that stuff early on. Then, the government was given the benefit of the doubt. Now, hard proof needs to be produced. It seems incredulous that such proof is not available. Perhaps not Thaksin specifically, but others close enough and at a scale large enough for people to take notice. Otherwise, national reconciliation is a pipe dream.

Actually you could read Blaze's comment two ways. One reading is that the government is worried there is no evidence, which to most seems unlikely with so many cases. Then there is also another reading meaning AMLO is liable to say there is none even if there is. It has been widely reported that state agencies have been averse to producing evidence even when ordered. In this there is a conundrum. Those who maybe can oproduce the evidence are unwilling as they fear later retribution by another politcal group which also invites the question do those working in the state agencies feel that the government want to fully prosecute and destroy previously powerful people. If those asked to produce evidence dont feel this is the case then the evidence will in all likelihood be even harder to find.

Of course another explanation is that the current government just do not want to ask AMLO because they do not intend to seriously pursue the cases but would rather work out a deal. It seems increasing numbers of Thai people seem to think this is the case now.

I understand that civil servants don't want to point fingers because they themselves can be accused of criminal malfeasance and used as scapegoats as it was the case against Sirote and his legal team that civil servants quote and I have already said a lot about this early on.

Let's jump to the real reason for the coup that we all know, but can't talk specifically about. Using this as a base, it would appear that the only way Thaksin would be allowed to return is if he is not allowed to either be re-elected or influence those that are elected. Under this scenario, then I would imagine a deal could be made. If not, then it is time for the military to flex its muscle and have AMLO get on with what it should have done a year ago.

blaze · April 23, 2007

Justice Minister denies instructing AMLO to inspect transactions of old power clique
Justice Minister dismisses rumors that he has instructed the Anti-Money Laundering Office (AMLO) to inspect transactions of the old power clique which funds political movements of politicians.

Justice Minister Charnchai Likhitjitha (ชาญชัย ลิขิตจิตถะ) says AMLO Secretary-General Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon Dissamarn (ยุทธบูล ดิสสะมาน) affirmed he did not inform the media of the inspection of transactions. According to the minister, Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon said AMLO only inspects transactions according to the courts’ orders and requests made by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC). In addition, AEC’s requests for inspection of transactions must be relevant to cases which AEC is investgating.

Mr Charnchai adds that he has already clarified the rumors to Prime Minister Surayud Chalunont.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 23 April 2007

One wonders why the AMLO has not been instructed to inspect transactions when there are so many corruption cases pending and there are accusations of the buying of demonstrators. Surely inspecting transactions could clear these issues up. It seems that ministers are more concerned with distancing themselves from anything that could clarify issues. Strange especially when even the TRT guys are asking the government to give details of the buying of demonstrators.

"The government was under pressure yesterday to back up its accusation that old power groups paid former MPs to carry out political activities aimed at toppling the regime. "

That from a story on another thread.

If the gov't actually goes looking for proof- and instructs the AMLO to produce it- the AMLO is just liable to say- there is none.

Better to avoid opening that can of worms at all and just leave everything at the level of rumor and innuendo.

Maybe.

I see what you are saying, but the government was able to get away with that stuff early on. Then, the government was given the benefit of the doubt. Now, hard proof needs to be produced. It seems incredulous that such proof is not available. Perhaps not Thaksin specifically, but others close enough and at a scale large enough for people to take notice. Otherwise, national reconciliation is a pipe dream.

Actually you could read Blaze's comment two ways. One reading is that the government is worried there is no evidence, which to most seems unlikely with so many cases. Then there is also another reading meaning AMLO is liable to say there is none even if there is. It has been widely reported that state agencies have been averse to producing evidence even when ordered. In this there is a conundrum. Those who maybe can oproduce the evidence are unwilling as they fear later retribution by another politcal group which also invites the question do those working in the state agencies feel that the government want to fully prosecute and destroy previously powerful people. If those asked to produce evidence dont feel this is the case then the evidence will in all likelihood be even harder to find.

Of course another explanation is that the current government just do not want to ask AMLO because they do not intend to seriously pursue the cases but would rather work out a deal. It seems increasing numbers of Thai people seem to think this is the case now.

Yes- but I think that this article, prompting our latest flurry, is actually Charnchai's (justice) reponse to a story leaked by ALMO to the media that it was (illegally) investigating claims that TRT has funded activities to bring down the gov't- to the tune of 3 million baht.

AMLO caught between a rock and a hard place (because they can't make an investigation unless formally ordered to do so) said- we haven't -nor are we making such a claim.

If there is no investigation going on- then someone in AMLO has lied. Unless it can show that not only is there no investigation going on, but AMLO never said there was.

Yet that the claim existed is lent credibility by the demand by the CPD to see the proof (lest TRT legitimately complain of 'illegal harrassment'.)

That's my understanding but I could be wrong. If so I welcome clarification. I am basing this on the story here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=1265499

Is anyone aware of such a claim- made by AMLO? Apparantly it exists- but what the wording was- how it was leaked- no clue. Link would be appreciated.

hammered · April 23, 2007

Justice Minister denies instructing AMLO to inspect transactions of old power clique
Justice Minister dismisses rumors that he has instructed the Anti-Money Laundering Office (AMLO) to inspect transactions of the old power clique which funds political movements of politicians.

Justice Minister Charnchai Likhitjitha (ชาญชัย ลิขิตจิตถะ) says AMLO Secretary-General Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon Dissamarn (ยุทธบูล ดิสสะมาน) affirmed he did not inform the media of the inspection of transactions. According to the minister, Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon said AMLO only inspects transactions according to the courts’ orders and requests made by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC). In addition, AEC’s requests for inspection of transactions must be relevant to cases which AEC is investgating.

Mr Charnchai adds that he has already clarified the rumors to Prime Minister Surayud Chalunont.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 23 April 2007

One wonders why the AMLO has not been instructed to inspect transactions when there are so many corruption cases pending and there are accusations of the buying of demonstrators. Surely inspecting transactions could clear these issues up. It seems that ministers are more concerned with distancing themselves from anything that could clarify issues. Strange especially when even the TRT guys are asking the government to give details of the buying of demonstrators.

"The government was under pressure yesterday to back up its accusation that old power groups paid former MPs to carry out political activities aimed at toppling the regime. "

That from a story on another thread.

If the gov't actually goes looking for proof- and instructs the AMLO to produce it- the AMLO is just liable to say- there is none.

Better to avoid opening that can of worms at all and just leave everything at the level of rumor and innuendo.

Maybe.

I see what you are saying, but the government was able to get away with that stuff early on. Then, the government was given the benefit of the doubt. Now, hard proof needs to be produced. It seems incredulous that such proof is not available. Perhaps not Thaksin specifically, but others close enough and at a scale large enough for people to take notice. Otherwise, national reconciliation is a pipe dream.

Actually you could read Blaze's comment two ways. One reading is that the government is worried there is no evidence, which to most seems unlikely with so many cases. Then there is also another reading meaning AMLO is liable to say there is none even if there is. It has been widely reported that state agencies have been averse to producing evidence even when ordered. In this there is a conundrum. Those who maybe can oproduce the evidence are unwilling as they fear later retribution by another politcal group which also invites the question do those working in the state agencies feel that the government want to fully prosecute and destroy previously powerful people. If those asked to produce evidence dont feel this is the case then the evidence will in all likelihood be even harder to find.

Of course another explanation is that the current government just do not want to ask AMLO because they do not intend to seriously pursue the cases but would rather work out a deal. It seems increasing numbers of Thai people seem to think this is the case now.

I understand that civil servants don't want to point fingers because they themselves can be accused of criminal malfeasance and used as scapegoats as it was the case against Sirote and his legal team that civil servants quote and I have already said a lot about this early on.

Let's jump to the real reason for the coup that we all know, but can't talk specifically about. Using this as a base, it would appear that the only way Thaksin would be allowed to return is if he is not allowed to either be re-elected or influence those that are elected. Under this scenario, then I would imagine a deal could be made. If not, then it is time for the military to flex its muscle and have AMLO get on with what it should have done a year ago.

It is time AMLO investigated. Agreed on that.

blaze · April 23, 2007

Justice Minister denies instructing AMLO to inspect transactions of old power clique
Justice Minister dismisses rumors that he has instructed the Anti-Money Laundering Office (AMLO) to inspect transactions of the old power clique which funds political movements of politicians.

Justice Minister Charnchai Likhitjitha (ชาญชัย ลิขิตจิตถะ) says AMLO Secretary-General Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon Dissamarn (ยุทธบูล ดิสสะมาน) affirmed he did not inform the media of the inspection of transactions. According to the minister, Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon said AMLO only inspects transactions according to the courts’ orders and requests made by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC). In addition, AEC’s requests for inspection of transactions must be relevant to cases which AEC is investgating.

Mr Charnchai adds that he has already clarified the rumors to Prime Minister Surayud Chalunont.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 23 April 2007

One wonders why the AMLO has not been instructed to inspect transactions when there are so many corruption cases pending and there are accusations of the buying of demonstrators. Surely inspecting transactions could clear these issues up. It seems that ministers are more concerned with distancing themselves from anything that could clarify issues. Strange especially when even the TRT guys are asking the government to give details of the buying of demonstrators.

"The government was under pressure yesterday to back up its accusation that old power groups paid former MPs to carry out political activities aimed at toppling the regime. "

That from a story on another thread.

If the gov't actually goes looking for proof- and instructs the AMLO to produce it- the AMLO is just liable to say- there is none.

Better to avoid opening that can of worms at all and just leave everything at the level of rumor and innuendo.

Maybe.

I see what you are saying, but the government was able to get away with that stuff early on. Then, the government was given the benefit of the doubt. Now, hard proof needs to be produced. It seems incredulous that such proof is not available. Perhaps not Thaksin specifically, but others close enough and at a scale large enough for people to take notice. Otherwise, national reconciliation is a pipe dream.

Actually you could read Blaze's comment two ways. One reading is that the government is worried there is no evidence, which to most seems unlikely with so many cases. Then there is also another reading meaning AMLO is liable to say there is none even if there is. It has been widely reported that state agencies have been averse to producing evidence even when ordered. In this there is a conundrum. Those who maybe can oproduce the evidence are unwilling as they fear later retribution by another politcal group which also invites the question do those working in the state agencies feel that the government want to fully prosecute and destroy previously powerful people. If those asked to produce evidence dont feel this is the case then the evidence will in all likelihood be even harder to find.

Of course another explanation is that the current government just do not want to ask AMLO because they do not intend to seriously pursue the cases but would rather work out a deal. It seems increasing numbers of Thai people seem to think this is the case now.

I understand that civil servants don't want to point fingers because they themselves can be accused of criminal malfeasance and used as scapegoats as it was the case against Sirote and his legal team that civil servants quote and I have already said a lot about this early on.

Let's jump to the real reason for the coup that we all know, but can't talk specifically about. Using this as a base, it would appear that the only way Thaksin would be allowed to return is if he is not allowed to either be re-elected or influence those that are elected. Under this scenario, then I would imagine a deal could be made. If not, then it is time for the military to flex its muscle and have AMLO get on with what it should have done a year ago.

It is time AMLO investigated. Agreed on that.

Absolutely- but then that would have robbed us of Thai politics' most endearing qualities: rumors, gossip and innuendo.

hammered · April 23, 2007

Justice Minister denies instructing AMLO to inspect transactions of old power clique
Justice Minister dismisses rumors that he has instructed the Anti-Money Laundering Office (AMLO) to inspect transactions of the old power clique which funds political movements of politicians.

Justice Minister Charnchai Likhitjitha (ชาญชัย ลิขิตจิตถะ) says AMLO Secretary-General Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon Dissamarn (ยุทธบูล ดิสสะมาน) affirmed he did not inform the media of the inspection of transactions. According to the minister, Pol.Maj.Gen.Yuttaboon said AMLO only inspects transactions according to the courts’ orders and requests made by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC). In addition, AEC’s requests for inspection of transactions must be relevant to cases which AEC is investgating.

Mr Charnchai adds that he has already clarified the rumors to Prime Minister Surayud Chalunont.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 23 April 2007

One wonders why the AMLO has not been instructed to inspect transactions when there are so many corruption cases pending and there are accusations of the buying of demonstrators. Surely inspecting transactions could clear these issues up. It seems that ministers are more concerned with distancing themselves from anything that could clarify issues. Strange especially when even the TRT guys are asking the government to give details of the buying of demonstrators.

"The government was under pressure yesterday to back up its accusation that old power groups paid former MPs to carry out political activities aimed at toppling the regime. "

That from a story on another thread.

If the gov't actually goes looking for proof- and instructs the AMLO to produce it- the AMLO is just liable to say- there is none.

Better to avoid opening that can of worms at all and just leave everything at the level of rumor and innuendo.

Maybe.

I see what you are saying, but the government was able to get away with that stuff early on. Then, the government was given the benefit of the doubt. Now, hard proof needs to be produced. It seems incredulous that such proof is not available. Perhaps not Thaksin specifically, but others close enough and at a scale large enough for people to take notice. Otherwise, national reconciliation is a pipe dream.

Actually you could read Blaze's comment two ways. One reading is that the government is worried there is no evidence, which to most seems unlikely with so many cases. Then there is also another reading meaning AMLO is liable to say there is none even if there is. It has been widely reported that state agencies have been averse to producing evidence even when ordered. In this there is a conundrum. Those who maybe can oproduce the evidence are unwilling as they fear later retribution by another politcal group which also invites the question do those working in the state agencies feel that the government want to fully prosecute and destroy previously powerful people. If those asked to produce evidence dont feel this is the case then the evidence will in all likelihood be even harder to find.

Of course another explanation is that the current government just do not want to ask AMLO because they do not intend to seriously pursue the cases but would rather work out a deal. It seems increasing numbers of Thai people seem to think this is the case now.

I understand that civil servants don't want to point fingers because they themselves can be accused of criminal malfeasance and used as scapegoats as it was the case against Sirote and his legal team that civil servants quote and I have already said a lot about this early on.

Let's jump to the real reason for the coup that we all know, but can't talk specifically about. Using this as a base, it would appear that the only way Thaksin would be allowed to return is if he is not allowed to either be re-elected or influence those that are elected. Under this scenario, then I would imagine a deal could be made. If not, then it is time for the military to flex its muscle and have AMLO get on with what it should have done a year ago.

It is time AMLO investigated. Agreed on that.

Absolutely- but then that would have robbed us of Thai politics' most endearing qualities: rumors, gossip and innuendo.

Lol. and wouldnt that bore us!

sriracha john · April 23, 2007

it is time for the military to flex its muscle and have AMLO get on with what it should have done a year ago.

Obviously your time line is off a smidgen, as a year ago the AMLO was still answering to Thaksin, but it's interesting to reflect back and look at what DID happen a year ago from now:

THAI RAK THAI SEND-OFF

Faithful bid PM tearful farewell

Published on Apr 6, 2006

Leader calls for national unity amid supporters' calls for him to fight on

The atmosphere at the Thai Rak Thai Party headquarters yesterday was gloomy and emotional as caretaker Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra said a tearful goodbye to his loyal supporters.

Thaksin, who announced he would not seek another term as premier on Tuesday night, arrived at his party's headquarters with son Panthongtae and senior Thai Rak Thai figures. Thaksin offered his own words of encouragement. "Many people embrace me and weep today and many who haven't come here weep too. However, I want to say that the tears show a certain spirit, and it reflects a message to society that Thai people share this love."

He added that no matter what duty he performed, he would do it to the best of his ability.

"As a Thai who loves the motherland, my greatest duty is to give back to the country."

Thaksin apologized once again to the 16 million people who voted for the Thai Rak Thai Party, and asked for national reconciliation so the country could enjoy the 60th anniversary of His Majesty the King's accession to the throne this year.

"It doesn't mean I give up, but if I fight on the country will be the loser according to His Majesty the King's speech about the bloody political turbulence of May 1992," he said.

"I am willing to do everything to restore love and harmony in the country. Therefore, I want to tell people that if you love and care for me please re-establish harmony."

- The Nation

==============

The first of many subsequent "good-bye to politics" and purported pleas to unify the nation.... with neither really being the truth.

Edited April 23, 2007 by sriracha john

sriracha john · April 23, 2007

Yes- but I think that this article, prompting our latest flurry, is actually Charnchai's (justice) reponse to a story leaked by ALMO to the media that it was (illegally) investigating claims that TRT has funded activities to bring down the gov't- to the tune of 3 million baht.
AMLO caught between a rock and a hard place (because they can't make an investigation unless formally ordered to do so) said- we haven't -nor are we making such a claim.

If there is no investigation going on- then someone in AMLO has lied. Unless it can show that not only is there no investigation going on, but AMLO never said there was.

Yet that the claim existed is lent credibility by the demand by the CPD to see the proof (lest TRT legitimately complain of 'illegal harrassment'.)

That's my understanding but I could be wrong. If so I welcome clarification. I am basing this on the story here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=1265499

Is anyone aware of such a claim- made by AMLO? Apparantly it exists- but what the wording was- how it was leaked- no clue. Link would be appreciated.

Is there anyone, besides the slightly dubious Chaturon, making this claim that the AMLO is, in fact, investigating the TRT MP's in the North and Northeast? Has he provided any documentation for this? Has the CPD asked to see the proof from Chaturon? If AMLO is denying the investigations, what evidence is there that is contrary to that?

sriracha john · April 23, 2007

Going all the way back to the OP for a quote on this one...

CORRUPTION PROBES
He said the main problem the AEC was facing was a lack of cooperation from government agencies, especially when it needed complaints filed by wronged agencies against wrongdoers unearthed by the AEC's investigation panel.

Many government officials, including ministers, are reluctant to say there were irregularities or corruption under the last government as they also held positions during the Thaksin Shinawatra administration, he said.

Making allegations against the last government would be admitting they had done wrong, he said.

Source: The Nation - 27 January 2007

DSI deputy director transferred

Department of Special Investigation deputy director-general Thawee Sodsong has been transferred to the Office of Narcotics Control Board (ONCB), reportedly because of his connections to many ministers in the ousted Thaksin Shinawatra government.

Thawee had been targeted for transfer ever since the military coup on September 19 last year, following his apparent reluctance to proceed with many criminal cases against Thai Rak Thai (TRT) ministers.

- The Nation

Edited April 23, 2007 by sriracha john

blaze · April 23, 2007

Yes- but I think that this article, prompting our latest flurry, is actually Charnchai's (justice) reponse to a story leaked by ALMO to the media that it was (illegally) investigating claims that TRT has funded activities to bring down the gov't- to the tune of 3 million baht.
AMLO caught between a rock and a hard place (because they can't make an investigation unless formally ordered to do so) said- we haven't -nor are we making such a claim.

If there is no investigation going on- then someone in AMLO has lied. Unless it can show that not only is there no investigation going on, but AMLO never said there was.

Yet that the claim existed is lent credibility by the demand by the CPD to see the proof (lest TRT legitimately complain of 'illegal harrassment'.)

That's my understanding but I could be wrong. If so I welcome clarification. I am basing this on the story here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=1265499

Is anyone aware of such a claim- made by AMLO? Apparantly it exists- but what the wording was- how it was leaked- no clue. Link would be appreciated.

Is there anyone, besides the slightly dubious Chaturon, making this claim that the AMLO is, in fact, investigating the TRT MP's in the North and Northeast? Has he provided any documentation for this? Has the CPD asked to see the proof from Chaturon? If AMLO is denying the investigations, what evidence is there that is contrary to that?

Yes. CPD's Suriyasai appears to take it as fact that the claims were made. For it was he who demanded the gov't reveal the evidence it had. He did NOT demand that the TRT provide evidence that the claim had been made in the first place.

It sounds like one of the loose cannons in the gov't (there are a few) made a stupid statement, unintentionally implicating the AMLO. - but I don't know- the story linked to above, sounds like the sequel to another story- (the original allegations) which somehow- the newspaper forgot to print- unless both you and I missed reports of the original allegation.

Edited April 23, 2007 by blaze

sriracha john · April 24, 2007

I was wondering why CPD was asking for evidence from AMLO when the only one saying the claim was true was Chaturon. It would seem logical that they would ask Chaturon for whatever evidence he had to support his claim, but if AMLO is denying they are investigating and without evidence from Chaturon to support his claim that they are.... it's rather a dead-end road.

Edited April 24, 2007 by sriracha john

sriracha john · April 24, 2007

Expanded (and even more damaging) article of the one from Breaking News in Post #200:

DSI deputy shifted over Thaksin links

Department of Special Investigation deputy director-general Thawee Sodsong has been transferred to the Office of Narcotics Control Board (ONCB), reportedly because of his connections to many ministers in the ousted Thaksin Shinawatra government.

Thawee had been targeted for transfer ever since the military coup on September 19 last year, following his apparent reluctance to proceed with many criminal cases against Thai Rak Thai (TRT) ministers.

A source said Thawee deliberately under-performed in handling the Picnic gas scandal case, which saw public prosecutors eventually drop charges against a TRT minister.

The source said the former police colonel put extra effort into pursuing cases against the political enemies of the TRT, including an investigation into the Democrat-controlled Bangkok Metropolitan Administration, over a corruption scandal involving a number of road construction projects.

In his written approval granted yesterday for Thawee's transfer, Justice Ministry permanent secretary Charan Pakdithanakul said Thawee's role at the ONCB would give anti-narcotics operations a wider area and make them "possibly more efficient".

Thawee was once questioned directly by Charan for unauthorised phone tapping.

Thawee's transfer is in line with an ongoing effort to reduce the presently-illegal number of former police officers serving with the DSI.

The law states that no more than one third of DSI officials can come from one single agency. Currently, more than half of its staff are former police officers. Thawee's position has been filled by ONCB secretary-general Phinyo Thongchai.

- The Nation

=================

Thaksin's henchmen definitely were wide-spread, which accounts for this whole thread. The sad thing is these yahoos are even allowed to still wear a uniform and supposedly work in other areas of law-enforcement. Make the ONCB "more efficient," indeed....

Edited April 24, 2007 by sriracha john

John K · April 24, 2007

As with any company the CEO Thaksin needs to pay his staff the TRT for doing company business. There is noting unusual about this arraignment. In every case company business is to make money.

It does not matter if they are being investigated now or not, they will be sooner or later.

Just another dance with the devil.

marshbags · April 24, 2007

Expanded (and even more damaging) article of the one from Breaking News in Post #200:
DSI deputy shifted over Thaksin links

Department of Special Investigation deputy director-general Thawee Sodsong has been transferred to the Office of Narcotics Control Board (ONCB), reportedly because of his connections to many ministers in the ousted Thaksin Shinawatra government.

Thawee had been targeted for transfer ever since the military coup on September 19 last year, following his apparent reluctance to proceed with many criminal cases against Thai Rak Thai (TRT) ministers.

A source said Thawee deliberately under-performed in handling the Picnic gas scandal case, which saw public prosecutors eventually drop charges against a TRT minister.

The source said the former police colonel put extra effort into pursuing cases against the political enemies of the TRT, including an investigation into the Democrat-controlled Bangkok Metropolitan Administration, over a corruption scandal involving a number of road construction projects.

In his written approval granted yesterday for Thawee's transfer, Justice Ministry permanent secretary Charan Pakdithanakul said Thawee's role at the ONCB would give anti-narcotics operations a wider area and make them "possibly more efficient".

Thawee was once questioned directly by Charan for unauthorised phone tapping.

Thawee's transfer is in line with an ongoing effort to reduce the presently-illegal number of former police officers serving with the DSI.

The law states that no more than one third of DSI officials can come from one single agency. Currently, more than half of its staff are former police officers. Thawee's position has been filled by ONCB secretary-general Phinyo Thongchai.

- The Nation

=================

Thaksin's henchmen definitely were wide-spread, which accounts for this whole thread. The sad thing is these yahoos are even allowed to still wear a uniform and supposedly work in other areas of law-enforcement. Make the ONCB "more efficient," indeed....

This really is disturbing news S.J.

The fact that the DSI are going to be rid of his obvious Bias, dishonesty and interference can only be a good thing ???????

Om the other hand transfering him to another department, and especially " Narcotics " has got to be really troublesome to say the least.

We all know only to well what happened on the narcotic front under the last administration along with people like Thawee doing their best to assist and encourage their inhuman and evil objectives.

He needs to be made completely inactive.

The misusing of his position by utilising his proven unethical behaviour warrant that he should be relieved of his duties, full stop, period.

Fired / sacked in real terms.

A backward step in many ways IMHO

marshbags

Edited April 24, 2007 by marshbags

Jai Dee · April 24, 2007

AEC files case against Mr.Chaturon Chaisaeng for defaming government officials

The Assets Examination Committee proceed legal action against TRT caretaker Chaturon as verbally insult the government officials.

The Spokesperson to the Assets Examination Committee Mr. Sak Korkaewruang (สัก กอแสงเรือง) says the AEC consider Mr. Chaturon Chaisaeng(จาตุรนต์ ฉายแสง) the acting leader Thai Rak Thai Party (TRT) allegation AEC procedures are the same as the Kangaroo Court that is an offensive remark.

The AEC work are according to the jurisdiction and Mr.Chaturon’s comment is unacceptable by the AEC, therefore the AEC will file the case against the TRT acting leader Mr Chaturon Chaisaeng.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 24 April 2007

Old Man River · April 24, 2007

it is time for the military to flex its muscle and have AMLO get on with what it should have done a year ago.

Obviously your time line is off a smidgen, as a year ago the AMLO was still answering to Thaksin, but it's interesting to reflect back and look at what DID happen a year ago from now:

My time line is not off. The comment relates to calls made by the Demo's a year ago (pre-coup) to get AMLO involved. What is hard to understand is post coup, why money issues still remain in question. Alleged bribery cases don't rely on interpretations of laws. This information should be easily obtainable as monetary transactions are a matter of record.

hammered · April 24, 2007

it is time for the military to flex its muscle and have AMLO get on with what it should have done a year ago.

Obviously your time line is off a smidgen, as a year ago the AMLO was still answering to Thaksin, but it's interesting to reflect back and look at what DID happen a year ago from now:

My time line is not off. The comment relates to calls made by the Demo's a year ago (pre-coup) to get AMLO involved. What is hard to understand is post coup, why money issues still remain in question. Alleged bribery cases don't rely on interpretations of laws. This information should be easily obtainable as monetary transactions are a matter of record.

And as AMLO needs ordering to do the investigation it seems odd that the minister in charge is more concerned with letting the world know he has not made this order, which brings us back to the title of this thread.

It also seems bizarre that with government popularity plummeting do nothing ministers were not replaced. Or are we going to hear soon that the head of AMLO is removed because of connections to previous government that have been known for 7 months? Hard to understand is an understatement.

sriracha john · April 24, 2007

it is time for the military to flex its muscle and have AMLO get on with what it should have done a year ago.

Obviously your time line is off a smidgen, as a year ago the AMLO was still answering to Thaksin, but it's interesting to reflect back and look at what DID happen a year ago from now:

My time line is not off. The comment relates to calls made by the Demo's a year ago (pre-coup) to get AMLO involved. What is hard to understand is post coup, why money issues still remain in question. Alleged bribery cases don't rely on interpretations of laws. This information should be easily obtainable as monetary transactions are a matter of record.

Fair enough regarding the time line, but at the time, I would think it unrealistic to expect the AMLO under Thaksin to investigate much more than some underling over-ordering pens and pocketing the proceeds.

Hopefully now with the huge tax bill assigned, assets can be frozen and a real impetus to investigate any other laundering can be made.

sriracha john · April 24, 2007

it is time for the military to flex its muscle and have AMLO get on with what it should have done a year ago.

Obviously your time line is off a smidgen, as a year ago the AMLO was still answering to Thaksin, but it's interesting to reflect back and look at what DID happen a year ago from now:

My time line is not off. The comment relates to calls made by the Demo's a year ago (pre-coup) to get AMLO involved. What is hard to understand is post coup, why money issues still remain in question. Alleged bribery cases don't rely on interpretations of laws. This information should be easily obtainable as monetary transactions are a matter of record.

And as AMLO needs ordering to do the investigation it seems odd that the minister in charge is more concerned with letting the world know he has not made this order, which brings us back to the title of this thread.

It also seems bizarre that with government popularity plummeting do nothing ministers were not replaced. Or are we going to hear soon that the head of AMLO is removed because of connections to previous government that have been known for 7 months? Hard to understand is an understatement.

I agree. With the recent ouster of the DSI guy, I was wondering what took so long. These guys have been moving way too slow to clear their own obstacles.

I still recount Sonthi saying that the big news will be made on these pending cases within the April/May timeframe... and that the evidence will be forthcoming then as the cases come to court, so there is still time remaining... but precious little.

blaze · April 24, 2007

it is time for the military to flex its muscle and have AMLO get on with what it should have done a year ago.

Obviously your time line is off a smidgen, as a year ago the AMLO was still answering to Thaksin, but it's interesting to reflect back and look at what DID happen a year ago from now:

My time line is not off. The comment relates to calls made by the Demo's a year ago (pre-coup) to get AMLO involved. What is hard to understand is post coup, why money issues still remain in question. Alleged bribery cases don't rely on interpretations of laws. This information should be easily obtainable as monetary transactions are a matter of record.

And as AMLO needs ordering to do the investigation it seems odd that the minister in charge is more concerned with letting the world know he has not made this order, which brings us back to the title of this thread.

It also seems bizarre that with government popularity plummeting do nothing ministers were not replaced. Or are we going to hear soon that the head of AMLO is removed because of connections to previous government that have been known for 7 months? Hard to understand is an understatement.

Here's an explanation- not nescessarily the correct one- and for some, not a very comforting one: But, I think, a plausible if not probably one: AMLO has DONE the investigations. Privately. Without being officially 'ordered'. And came up with nothing. And they have shared that with the gov't. Unofficially.

Has PAD rallied to demand an AMLO investigation? Has Saprong?

Why not?

Does anyone think the gov't would welcome headlines blaring, "AMLO Exonerates Thaksin'?

Rather than having to share that little embarassment with the people- better to just hope all this talk about AMLO investigations fizzles into thin air. Let the rumor and innuendo persist- and hope that gossip repeated enough takes on the credibility of proven fact.

As far as AMLO being in the TRT pockets- well two TRT people in the NE are currently suing it for defamation.

OK- it's just a 'what if' kind of thing but...

John K · April 24, 2007

I seem to recall someplace that independent reports would be used to keep people honest. I don’t know of that was here or not.

Old Man River · April 24, 2007

Fair enough regarding the time line, but at the time, I would think it unrealistic to expect the AMLO under Thaksin to investigate much more than some underling over-ordering pens and pocketing the proceeds.
Hopefully now with the huge tax bill assigned, assets can be frozen and a real impetus to investigate any other laundering can be made.

Or course it was unrealistic to expect the SEC to order AMLO to investigate at that time. It still doesn't change the fact that it would have been the right thing to do. The investigation of the Election Commissioners was the right thing to do, and it actually happened pre-coup. There were actually some right things done prior to the coup, just not many.

sriracha john · April 24, 2007

Fair enough regarding the time line, but at the time, I would think it unrealistic to expect the AMLO under Thaksin to investigate much more than some underling over-ordering pens and pocketing the proceeds.
Hopefully now with the huge tax bill assigned, assets can be frozen and a real impetus to investigate any other laundering can be made.

Or course it was unrealistic to expect the SEC to order AMLO to investigate at that time. It still doesn't change the fact that it would have been the right thing to do. The investigation of the Election Commissioners was the right thing to do, and it actually happened pre-coup. There were actually some right things done prior to the coup, just not many.

Yes... I agree, that was right thing... same with the party dissolution cases and the declaring of the elections invalid... all related to the actions taken by the courts.

The "independent" side of government agencies like AMLO was where the real downfalls occurred.

hammered · April 24, 2007

it is time for the military to flex its muscle and have AMLO get on with what it should have done a year ago.

Obviously your time line is off a smidgen, as a year ago the AMLO was still answering to Thaksin, but it's interesting to reflect back and look at what DID happen a year ago from now:

My time line is not off. The comment relates to calls made by the Demo's a year ago (pre-coup) to get AMLO involved. What is hard to understand is post coup, why money issues still remain in question. Alleged bribery cases don't rely on interpretations of laws. This information should be easily obtainable as monetary transactions are a matter of record.

And as AMLO needs ordering to do the investigation it seems odd that the minister in charge is more concerned with letting the world know he has not made this order, which brings us back to the title of this thread.

It also seems bizarre that with government popularity plummeting do nothing ministers were not replaced. Or are we going to hear soon that the head of AMLO is removed because of connections to previous government that have been known for 7 months? Hard to understand is an understatement.

Here's an explanation- not nescessarily the correct one- and for some, not a very comforting one: But, I think, a plausible if not probably one: AMLO has DONE the investigations. Privately. Without being officially 'ordered'. And came up with nothing. And they have shared that with the gov't. Unofficially.

Has PAD rallied to demand an AMLO investigation? Has Saprong?

Why not?

Does anyone think the gov't would welcome headlines blaring, "AMLO Exonerates Thaksin'?

Rather than having to share that little embarassment with the people- better to just hope all this talk about AMLO investigations fizzles into thin air. Let the rumor and innuendo persist- and hope that gossip repeated enough takes on the credibility of proven fact.

As far as AMLO being in the TRT pockets- well two TRT people in the NE are currently suing it for defamation.

OK- it's just a 'what if' kind of thing but...

We could get into rampant speculation. Maybe AMLO has done secret investigations and these show Mr. Ts money has left the country since the coup - equally embarrassing for the Junta. Maybe secret investigations show links to parties to be protected. There could be many reasons why a secret investigation would not be spoken about. However, it is more likely that no investigation has been done due to some bureaucratic reason such as someone in the chain of command has not given an order.

I am also not sure how easy a secret investigation would be as an investigation probably requires documents ordering banks or individuals to surrender information. Maybe someone with a more finacial background could enlighten us on the process of an investigation.

marshbags · April 25, 2007

The Nation Wed, April 25, 2007 : Last updated 7:29 am (Thai local time)

Quote:-

WARNING TO GOVERNMENT

Prepare for volatile two months: CNS

Sonthi tips problems from rowdy mobs as AEC and Tribunal rule on key corruption, poll fraud cases

Council for National Security (CNS) chairman General Sonthi Boonyaratglin warned the government yesterday about "volatile political developments" over the next two months, in which its enemies would try to pressure the government with street rallies, a source said yesterday.

The general made his warning in a discussion with Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont and Defence Minister General Boonrawd Somtas on the sideline of his meeting with the Cabinet at Government House yesterday.

Sonthi pointed out that the Assets Examination Committee was set to make key decisions on cases involving politicians from the previous administration, and that the Constitution Tribunal would rule on electoral fraud cases against the Democrat and Thai Rak Thai parties, the source said.

"There will be all kinds of mobs to increase pressure and create confusion. So the government should be on alert and find ways to handle that," the source quoted Sonthi as saying.

The Cabinet yesterday informed the CNS chief of progress in its work and discussed co-operation among relevant agencies, Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont said.

He said the meeting was not held to cover up reports of conflicts between the agencies.

The government was attempting to work with all agencies involved including the National Legislative Assembly (NLA), the Assets Examination Committee (AEC), the Election Commission (EC) and the Constitution Drafting Assembly (CDA).

The Prime Minister said Sonthi did not urge him to do anything special. They did not discuss groups trying to oppose the constitution draft, or a report that money was being sent from abroad to sponsor protesters.

Yesterday was the first time Sonthi had joined an unofficial Cabinet meeting. The CNS chief arrived with the defence minister a little after 9am and left at 10.40am.

CNS spokesman Colonel Sansern Kaewkamnerd said Sonthi discussed national security with the Cabinet as he wanted government agencies - including the CNS and Internal Security Operations Command - to co-operate smoothly and work in the same direction.

Another source, who asked not to be named, said the government would allow other agencies established after the coup to join the weekly Cabinet meetings.

PM's Office Minister Thirapat Serirangsan said it was clear that both the government and the CNS wanted a new Constitution - which would lead to an election - and there was no reason for people to provoke chaos with rallies.

They should all help push for the new Constitution, he said.

People who disagreed with the Constitution draft could send their opinions to the CDA on how to amend the draft, he said.

Deputy Social Development and Human Security Minister Poldej Pinpratheep said Sonthi's meeting with the Cabinet was unofficial and the government should not be criticised for allowing the CNS to "interfere" in its work.

"I don't think the meeting was an attempt to set up an image or wipe out the image that the government had conflicts with the CNS. It was about the effectiveness of our work," he said.

Piyanart Srivalo,

Hassaya Chartmontri,

Samatcha Hoonsara

Unquote.

For reference go to the url:-

http://nationmultimedia.com/2007/04/25/pol...cs_30032618.php

Will the outcome be as true justice requires it to be ??????

I hope it does and Thailand can go forward, 21st century wise, with the chance of a new era.

If not, i dread to think what the implications will be on the genuine, caring citizens of this country.

marshbags

Edited April 25, 2007 by marshbags

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