Son caught with cannabis on the islands

[Just Weird]

9 hours ago, Acemaker said:

Why do you keep contradicting the Guy, he has nothing to gain by Lying, he has just been thru the process with his Son, he is simply trying to educate and inform and warn others as to the CURRENT CONSEQUENCES and the corrupt Judicial system, why dont you accept that instead of trying to show us all what a Smart Ass you are, your Pathetic.

Why?  Because what I am saying is correct, that's why, if you think that makes me a smart arse, that's fine, your opinion of me is inconsequential.

 

Let me explain where you are wrong also; "he" has not been through anything with "his" son, it is the son's mother that is making the claim based on nothing but hearsay.  The son did not get into an overstay situation!

[Just Weird]

2 hours ago, rdhowell said:

Haha...."self-righteously complain about corruption"? Corruption is corruption. Nothing self-righteous about pointing out the fact.

For you, this is called ignorance.

"Nothing self-righteous about pointing out the fact".

There is when she was contributing to the corruption by paying bribes to get her son fast-tracked through the court!

 

Ignorance?  Don't think so.

 

 

[Fish Head Soup]

7 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Why?  Because what I am saying is correct, that's why, if you think that makes me a smart arse, that's fine, your opinion of me is inconsequential.

 

Let me explain where you are wrong also; "he" has not been through anything with "his" son, it is the son's mother that is making the claim based on nothing but hearsay.  The son did not get into an overstay situation!

If you are detained or barred from leaving the country due to litigation or court proceedings then you still need to arrange and pay for an extension of stay. This can be applied for under section 2.26 of police order 777/2551.

 

2.26 In the case of litigation or court proceedings: Each permission shall be granted for no more than 90 days.

(1) There must be evidence confirming that the applicant is involved in a litigation or court proceedings as accuser, injured person, accused, plaintiff, defendant, or witness.

 

http://asean.org/storage/2016/08/Thailand172.pdf

[Just Weird]

2 hours ago, rdhowell said:

Haha.....yet another.

 

More useful: let your voice be heard about the injustice of the made-up "crime" and the time attached to it.

There was no "made-up" crime in this case.

[Just Weird]

2 hours ago, LomSak27 said:

Ah, the self appointed Thai Government Mouthpiece on ThaiVisa has a platform to preach, and what fun!. As it is Sunday morning, I'll just see if Jimmy Swaggert is on cable to get the same level of self riotous hypocrisy here.

*Remember TrollTeamers, hunt in a pack or don't attack

Point out my hypocrisy then, specifically.

Edited April 29, 2018 by Just Weird

[Just Weird]

14 minutes ago, Fish Head Soup said:

If you are detained or barred from leaving the country due to litigation or court proceedings then you still need to arrange and pay for an extension of stay. This can be applied for under section 2.26 of police order 777/2551.

 

2.26 In the case of litigation or court proceedings: Each permission shall be granted for no more than 90 days.

(1) There must be evidence confirming that the applicant is involved in a litigation or court proceedings as accuser, injured person, accused, plaintiff, defendant, or witness.

 

http://asean.org/storage/2016/08/Thailand172.pdf

Your link gives the requirements for someone who is not detained.  My comments all along relate to those who have been arrested and are detained and have no access to their passport.  Those in that situation do not have to apply for and pay for an extension, how could they, they're detained!  There is a process that accommodates them, obviously.

Edited April 29, 2018 by Just Weird

[gaff]

3 hours ago, bigpanda42 said:

As a parent I can't understand why you had smokes weed and want to take it to an Asian country........what a dick....if he was my son I would have punched him in the head and left him in jail. ..

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I would feel ashamed to have parents like you, as you clearly show that you know nothing and understand nothing.

How stupid can be some people is beyond understanding, how can they be allowed to have kids ?!

 

 

[gaff]

2 hours ago, Chivas said:

Excellent news indeed and hopefully in future others found in possession of drugs are treated exactly the same. Banned for life sends out the perfect message druggies are not wanted or tolerated.

Frankly lucky he didnt get a stretch as well

 

Frankly, I hope that it happens to anybody close to you enough to you for you to feel the pain.

 

I cannot stand ridiculous people like you who should be deported as soon as they cause and accident after drinking even 1 glass of any alcohol.

 

 

[Fish Head Soup]

12 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Your link gives the requirements for someone who is not detained.

No it doesn't, it gives the requirements for an applicant who is involved in a litigation or court proceedings as accuser, injured person, accused, plaintiff, defendant, or witness.

[PoorSucker]

3 hours ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

Whet is the actual fine if a Thai is caught and charged for 2.9g of cannabis? Not much

As Samui resident, 3000 baht. 

[PoorSucker]

@mum2,he probably had a bigger fine than 2500 baht, but for every night he stayed in detention they took away 200 baht. 

[notmyself]

13 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

It all worked out in the end and you both got through it alive...what doesn't kill us makes us stronger.

 

... or maims you for life lol. Hope the chap has learned his lesson because it could stand him in good stead when making decisions in the future. 

 

 

 

 

[Scouse123]

1 hour ago, Fish Head Soup said:

If you are detained or barred from leaving the country due to litigation or court proceedings then you still need to arrange and pay for an extension of stay. This can be applied for under section 2.26 of police order 777/2551.

 

2.26 In the case of litigation or court proceedings: Each permission shall be granted for no more than 90 days.

(1) There must be evidence confirming that the applicant is involved in a litigation or court proceedings as accuser, injured person, accused, plaintiff, defendant, or witness.

 

http://asean.org/storage/2016/08/Thailand172.pdf

 

 

There is no charges or fees payable for an extension by the accused in a criminal court case who has been bailed, or there wasn't in 2008 and I doubt it has changed. I covered the procedure in my earlier posts.

 

I already stated that once the accused has reported to the Immigration police and the details of the case, an officer is appointed and goes with them to the court clerks office. A document is issued by the court detailing the offenses and next court dates.(The required evidence) The passport is then taken to the immigration office and the computer updated with the information from the court therein. An extension is then issued.

 

What I omitted to mention that what is/was usual in these instances, especially drugs cases, is that the passport is returned to the court and held by the court whilst proceedings are ongoing.

 

A copy of the passport details and a court letter given to the accused person in case it is needed whilst they are on bail.

 

A few have screamed and shouted about civil liberties and the passport is not their property and belongs to the crown etc. The Thai authorities take no heed or notice of these objections by anybody.

 

They basically say that if it doesn't suit you, you are welcome to wait on remand in the prison.

 

As a footnote, it also takes its toll on foreigners and causes a great deal of hardship, for those who get involved in cases that can take many years to resolve when they cannot work unless they have a work permit, there are no state funds to fall back on, and no assistance with living expenses.

 

Please bear in mind, a person is presumed innocent until they have been found guilty and the Thai courts say they follow this concept.

Edited April 29, 2018 by Scouse123

[notmyself]

47 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

A few have screamed and shouted about civil liberties and the passport is not their property and belongs to the crown etc. The Thai authorities take no heed or notice of these objections by anybody.

 

The passport issue is laughable because the ownership question only deals with unauthorized possession by another. Legal entities ARE authorized and therefor ARE authorized to hold it. I would hope that those who have screamed and shouted (not a good idea) are private individuals and not legal representation.

 

 

[simoh1490]

3 hours ago, Fish Head Soup said:

He's 18-years-old, In my book you're supposed to be a young man by that age, not a child.

There are plenty of 20+ & 30+ year olds on this planet who are still children!

[Scouse123]

25 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

There are plenty of 20+ & 30+ year olds on this planet who are still children!

Absolutely,

 

And with the ' nanny state ' and the way they get mollycoddled in the UK, it is no surprise they end up immature and irresponsible into their mid to late twenties in some cases.

[Mum2]

Thank you to all for your supportive words, it has been a trying few months! Those who commented otherwise; that is your prerogative; thank goodness for freedom of speech. 

 

The main reason for posting the update was to serve as a salutary lesson to those travellers who think breaking laws abroad is a good idea. It is not - ever. 

 

A few points to note;

1: the drugs were openly sold at bars and being consumed on the premises

2: Buy them and consume them on the premises and you are probably ok, buy them, have a panic and  stupidly take them away - you are fair game for a phone ahead ‘road block’. This appears to be the MO for bars who want to keep both the law and their customers appeased

3: if there are 2 or more of you - expect both of you to be arrested, regardless of who has possession

 

It may feel that ‘everyone is doing it’ and that may be the case, but just don’t! 

  

[Spock]

On 4/28/2018 at 7:53 PM, Just Weird said:

"...deported and blacklisted for life for 2.9g of weed".

Deported and blacklisted for life for doing something he knew was illegal but he thought that it was worth the risk.    You're not condoning what he did, are you?

 

"...deferred until May 9th (funnily enough the date his visa was due to expire, where he would have been charged with overstaying too)"

That is incorrect.  There are arrangements made for arrestees' visas to be extended to accommodate the delay caused by court action as a result of criminal activity even though they cause the delay themselves by being arrested.

Blacklisted for life is outrageous. Get down off your high moral horse.

[Spock]

17 hours ago, lordblackader said:

Do you know what else is utterly horrific and inhumane? white people who think they should be beyond the laws of other countries. 

 

Don't do the crime, don't serve the time. 

Another white knight charging puritanically into battle. Did the mother say her son shouldn't be subject to the law of the land? And don't you think a lifetime ban is harsh considering the crime? 

[Spock]

19 hours ago, Sprigger said:

No sympathy 20yrs ago he would have faced the death penalty, tell the poor little mummy’s boy to abide by the laws of the land in future. I do hope they didn’t hurt his feelings too much there, there didums.

20 years ago he would have faced 48 days in jail for possession. I know what the penalty was through personal experience. You have no idea of the facts and are in the thread just to get stuck into the less fortunate. The mother has done her best to help her son who has committed a minor crime. Give her a break and show some respect.

Edited April 30, 2018 by Spock

[bandito]

15 hours ago, 007 RED said:

Hi folks

 

Please remember that Mum2 is talking about what happened to her 18 year old son as a result of his own stupidity.  She is not making any excuses for him, or looking for any sympathy.  All she has tried to do from the start was to make others aware of the pitfalls of becoming involved with illegal substances in Thailand. 

 

No doubt she has been through 2 months of ‘hell’ and certainly does not deserve to be castigated for her son’s foolhardy actions.

 

I sincerely hope that her son realises what pain and anxiety he has caused his mother and makes amends to her.

 

A drug user has no conscience, sells his own mother to raise money for more drugs.

The poor woman will be better by getting rid of him.

[simoh1490]

8 minutes ago, bandito said:

 

A drug user has no conscience, sells his own mother to raise money for more drugs.

The poor woman will be better by getting rid of him.

Troll!

[UKJASE]

thanks for the update Mum2.... hopefully this will be enough to put your son off doing drugs in any country in the future, so will have some positive results too.......  good luck to you both

[Spock]

1 hour ago, bandito said:

 

A drug user has no conscience, sells his own mother to raise money for more drugs.

The poor woman will be better by getting rid of him.

We are talking recreational marijuana use here not ice or heroin addiction!

[rdhowell]

10 hours ago, Just Weird said:

"Nothing self-righteous about pointing out the fact".

There is when she was contributing to the corruption by paying bribes to get her son fast-tracked through the court!

 

Ignorance?  Don't think so.

 

 

Wow, blame the mom for the corruption of the officials!!!!

Hahaha. No need to waste time pointing out the flaw there.

 

Yes. Sorry, but it was ignorance. Deal.

[rdhowell]

12 hours ago, Chivas said:

Excellent news indeed and hopefully in future others found in possession of drugs are treated exactly the same. Banned for life sends out the perfect message druggies are not wanted or tolerated.

Frankly lucky he didnt get a stretch as well

Hope all you want. Hope the earth turns flat, report back on what you find.

"Druggies" are quite welcome here. Hence the issue being discussed here.

You, personally, may not welcome them. And that is supposed to matter because.........???

 

If a message needs to go out, it's actually being played out here quite well. As I have pointed out on another thread, the top official/officials in charge of drug policy on Thailand has admitted that every "war on drugs" has failed. Furthermore, concerning marijuana, that the laws and penalties need to change, and will change - it's only a matter of time.

I cannot post the link or mention the name, because that is against the rules here. But easy to find.

The point is this: The very Thai government agrees that penalties for possessing marijuana are excessive, do not work, that drug users are not criminals - and should be treated as "patients." This extends even to meth users, btw.

So in the future, actually there will be no such cases as this here, and no message sent that you are hoping for. Really sorry to inform you.

 

[rdhowell]

11 hours ago, Just Weird said:

There was no "made-up" crime in this case.

Actually, every crime is made-up, by DEFINITION.

A "crime" is something that is illegal, and "illegal" is established by a person/court/country, etc.

Legality, and thus criminality, are in the eye of the beholder.

In this important sense: a "crime" has no necessary connection to Right vs Wrong; Ethics; Morals.

 

Most people here taking issue with the woman and her son are doing so because of an Implicit assumption, which they do not state openly: a crime means that it is Wrong, morally. This is what really urks them (and perhaps you) underneath, but few will admit this.

However, nothing could be farther from the truth.

A crime is man-made. There is no crime unless a law is created by man. But whether that law reflects the reality of it being morally wrong - that is an entirely separate issue.

 

[rdhowell]

11 hours ago, gaff said:

 

I would feel ashamed to have parents like you, as you clearly show that you know nothing and understand nothing.

How stupid can be some people is beyond understanding, how can they be allowed to have kids ?!

 

 

Wow. Read your own post before telling someone they know nothing and understand nothing, and asking how stupid "can be some people."

Quite amusing.

But at least you seem genuine enough. 

And that's a great question: how are some people allowed to have kids!

But it's off topic, unfortunately.

[rdhowell]

3 hours ago, bandito said:

 

A drug user has no conscience, sells his own mother to raise money for more drugs.

The poor woman will be better by getting rid of him.

Hilarious.

Good thing you won't be taken seriously.

[gaff]

55 minutes ago, rdhowell said:

The top official/officials in charge of drug policy on Thailand has admitted that every "war on drugs" has failed. Furthermore, concerning marijuana, that the laws and penalties need to change, and will change - it's only a matter of time.

 

The very Thai government agrees that penalties for possessing marijuana are excessive, do not work, that drug users are not criminals - and should be treated as "patients." 

 

 

Everything is said, nothing to add, anybody blaming people who use substances readily available in Thailand EVERYWHERE is just plain stupid.

 

The top official/officials in charge of drug policy on Thailand has admitted that every "war on drugs" has failed. Furthermore, concerning marijuana, that the laws and penalties need to change, and will change - it's only a matter of time.

 

The very Thai government agrees that penalties for possessing marijuana are excessive, do not work, that drug users are not criminals - and should be treated as "patients."