Bit unfair to start working behind the door political leveraging deals when most folks were still suffering Article 44 PTSD.  

Does this hint that former MP's are given a free party weekend to the Pattaya bar stools and backstage ?

Yes, as an outside, independent observer I must admit - there is a sort of giant sucking sound involving the current political climate.  So, very astute observation by the PM.  Kudos! 

Edited April 29, 20188 yr by connda

49 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

Which pretty much coincides with my view as well, and that of many other guests in this country. 'A population gets the government it deserves' is an old and (in my view) a largely true observation, but let's be honest, it often translates as 'A population gets the government it's prepared to accept'.

 

My view of Thais is reasonably clear, I think that, by and large they are unintelligent, lazy and feckless; many others think they are peacable,  pleasant and even spiritual but I don't agree and think that view is based on a carefully cultured appearance, not to appeal tpo foreigners but to keep themselves safe from harm in a rapacious kleptocracy, the one which they have allowed to dominate them by using various psychological manipulations.

 

The 'twain will probably never meet, to me, the Thais have been manipulated, tricked and bamboozled into repeatedly meekly accepting a bunch of thugs with guns that the people pay for, solely in order that the 1% of the population may prosper. The cap of the pyramid is indeed made of gold. I see nothing quaint or charming about the Thais, I see little that many misinformed or delusional foreigners regard as a charming 'Shangri-La', it's a scruffy country with few natural resources except a cheap and compliant population for the largely Chinese-descended immigrants to exploit.

 

It does however seem to be the way of the world, that much I will grant. Sadly. I agree with the others who have said that the only way the current situation will change is by large-scale violence and uprising, but I doubt it will happen; an essentially lazy people and dishonest who are content to be exploited because it's easier than asserting themselves, will not rise up and take control. Too hard.

 

I don't entirely blame the 1%, they're the same everywhere, USA, Europe, Australia, it's all the same criminality in evidence. I blame the 99% for allowing it to happen and meekly acquiescing. Human nature will conquer all it seems. It took me some years to understand that the Bangkok Thais commonly call the countryside Thais 'kwai' (stupid, lazy and dirty) for a reason. Don't blame me, I didn't start it, I merely watch and try to understand.

"It took me some years to understand that the Bangkok Thais commonly call the countryside Thais 'kwai' (stupid, lazy and dirty) for a reason."

 

The current situation, military rule, was engineered by Suthep and Prayuth but could not have easily taken place without the great assistance of the 'educated', 'middle-class' Bangkok folk who took part in  'Shut down Bangkok'.  The Bangkok citizens, however well educated, were well 'suckered' and created sufficient chaos to give the army their opportunity.  People of Bangkok, take a look in the mirror and ask yourselves, "who is a buffalo?" 

How many MP's need to be sucked to form a majority

34 minutes ago, PREM-R said:

"It took me some years to understand that the Bangkok Thais commonly call the countryside Thais 'kwai' (stupid, lazy and dirty) for a reason."

 

The current situation, military rule, was engineered by Suthep and Prayuth but could not have easily taken place without the great assistance of the 'educated', 'middle-class' Bangkok folk who took part in  'Shut down Bangkok'.  The Bangkok citizens, however well educated, were well 'suckered' and created sufficient chaos to give the army their opportunity.  People of Bangkok, take a look in the mirror and ask yourselves, "who is a buffalo?" 

 

Now that I do agree with, largely anyway. There isn't any doubt in my view that the army were the tool used by Prem on behalf of the landed gentry of Thailand, and the middle classes, desperate not to be flooded into insignificance by the 'kwai' fell for it hook line and sinker, they of course needed someone to manage the circus, and Suthep, who was forced to resign from the Chuan (I think it was the Chuan government) because he was corrupt (surprise, surprise) was recruited to that role, along with some other no-hopers from the Democrat party. Abhisit knew about all of this of course and I'm told he was the one who demanded the recruits resign from the party lest their part in the conspiracy become obvious.

 

Bad news is, this isn't going to get any better. Good news is, we're only foreigners and don't matter anyway. Not all, but many of the foreigners are in Thailand for not good but easily understood reasons, but the reality is that we don't count, we don't have a voice, and we cannot catalyse any change.

 

Might as well drink our coffee and hope the prices don't go up too high. Oops, they're playing my song.

Edited April 29, 20188 yr by KiwiKiwi

8 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

Now that I do agree with, largely anyway. There isn't any doubt in my view that the army were the tool used by Prem on behalf of the landed gentry of Thailand, and the middle classes, desperate not to be flooded into insignificance by the 'kwai' fell for it hook line and sinker, they of course needed someone to manage the circus, and Suthep, who was forced to resign from the Chuan (I think it was the Chuan government) because he was corrupt (surprise, surprise) was recruited to that role, along with some other no-hopers from the Democrat party. Abhisit knew about all of this of course and I'm told he was the one who demanded the recruits resign from the party lest their part in the conspiracy become obvious.

 

Bad news is, this isn't going to get any better. Good news is, we're only foreigners and don't matter anyway. Not all, but many of the foreigners are in Thailand for not good but easily understood reasons, but the reality is that we don't count, we don't have a voice, and we cannot catalyse any change.

 

Might as well drink our coffee and hope the prices don't go up too high. Oops, they're playing my song.

"Abhisit knew about all of this of course and I'm told he was the one who demanded the recruits resign from the party lest their part in the conspiracy become obvious."

 

On another thread on TV forum just last week, there was a photograph of Abhisit, whistle in mouth, embracing with Suthep during the "shut down" campaign.  Abhisit may or may not have  asked 'the 'conspirators' to step down but he was directly involved in the 'action' that led to the coup.

All day ???

8 minutes ago, PREM-R said:

"Abhisit knew about all of this of course and I'm told he was the one who demanded the recruits resign from the party lest their part in the conspiracy become obvious."

 

On another thread on TV forum just last week, there was a photograph of Abhisit, whistle in mouth, embracing with Suthep during the "shut down" campaign.  Abhisit may or may not have  asked 'the 'conspirators' to step down but he was directly involved in the 'action' that led to the coup.

Of course he was, persistent rumours linking him with the big house may partly explain that, but at a practical level, Abhisit is one of the lended gentry himself. He's a loser but the LG are persistent, and if they cannot grasp power through elections, they will grasp it through coups. As has been done many times.

 

I personally doubt there is a solution other than Thailand gently sinking below the waves that the ASEAN countries (all of whom despise Thailand and Thais) will create as they pass Thailand by, economically, politically and militarily. Honestly, if Thailand was a horse, you'd have to shoot it. Thailand's star burned bright but brief but it's on the way down now. And speaking with Thais, it seems clear that many of them no longer have the affection for the country's institutions that they once had drilled into them. But old habits die hard and they're too lazy, uneducated and too frightened to take the steps they do know are necessary to avoid oblivion.

Edited April 29, 20188 yr by KiwiKiwi

Anybody else starting to be pissed off by the usurper using the title "PM"?

12 hours ago, tracker1 said:

it is a part and parcel of Thai democracy. So is a Democraticaly Elected Government just in case he doesn't understand

Outwardly democraticaly elected if you consider that free to vote how you wish is democratic, but in essence, paid, conned, manipulated to vote a certain way may still be considered democratic but hardly fair play. 

21 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Anybody else starting to be pissed off by the usurper using the title "PM"?

Yep. And it hasn't just started, it's been an ongoing 4-year thing.

18 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Outwardly democraticaly elected if you consider that free to vote how you wish is democratic, but in essence, paid, conned, manipulated to vote a certain way may still be considered democratic but hardly fair play. 

 

Odd how giving 500bt to a voter is considered vote buying but giving billions to a community isn't even considered campaigning.

 

 

2 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Some great posts on this thread @KiwiKiwi 

 

 

 

Perhaps there's useful life in the old TV dog yet...