1 minute ago, robblok said:

Sure, but how is it that someone who is banned from politics can still lead a political party... does not legal to me. I have not seen this in the civilized world.. 

It isn't happening in the civilised world.

10 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Can anybody really believe they talked about shopping and the trees on Orchard Road, the Night Safari, etc., etc., and not one word about Thai politics?

 

Really?

 

 

Agree, but perhaps the choice is: 

 

- Collect the salary and always keep your mouth shut, and don't think just vote as instructed, or look for another immoral activity. 

 

And yes I know the new laws prohibit extra 'extra salaries' etc., but does anybody believe they couldn't easily find a way to quietly distribute the 'extra salaries' if they were determined to do so?

 

How do you think Prayuth is trying to lure Newin an company to his military party?

14 hours ago, baboon said:

'Meeting him is not illegal. It's just that we'll disband your party if you do.' There's a distinction without a difference for you...

You "forgot" the most important part:

“But it could violate the law that bans outsiders from interfering with or dominating a political party. You must look at Section 28.” “The party could be disbanded,” he added. 

 

Section 28 of law on Political Parties prohibits them from “consenting” to any interference from someone uninvolved directly. The maximum penalty is the offending parties’ disbandment.

Waving a red hankie in the face of the bull who posses overwhelming firepower, even without submarines, and can make up laws anytime it wishes, is reckless.   Unless of course, angering the junta bull is part of the plan.  Would just like to see the mind numbing stupidity of current government gone.

35 minutes ago, baboon said:

It isn't happening in the civilised world.

It is not.. but you know what I mean.. a criminal gets banned from politics and still can control a party.. No wonder action has been taken if even after being banned from politics he goes on.  Nobody would stand for that kind of behavior anywhere else. 

1 hour ago, JAG said:

All about timing - do it before the election is called, but after the inevitable deadline for forming a new party. That removes Pheu Thai from the political scene for that election...

What elections? Oh you mean the election after all opposing forces have been banned or imprisoned then Prayut will appoint himself PM. No need to waste Thai people's time going to the polls. Democracy died 4 years ago. Singapore is their business model and it has no Democracy. 

33 minutes ago, pornprong said:

How do you think Prayuth is trying to lure Newin an company to his military party?

The same way it worked when Newin formed a coalition with the democrats...  promise him good positions in a government. 

15 hours ago, baboon said:

'Meeting him is not illegal. It's just that we'll disband your party if you do.' There's a distinction without a difference for you...

 

Regardless of your opinion or anyone else's of the rule, it's the current rule. As they often did before PTP ignore the rules and seem to think rules never apply to them!

 

Arrogance, stupidity, strategy so they can whine 'it's all so unfair and demand justice (well their version of justice anyway)"? 

 

They're not the only ones who think rules are made only for others. See it in all aspects of life here. No one expects consequences for their actions.

6 minutes ago, Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere said:

What elections? Oh you mean the election after all opposing forces have been banned or imprisoned then Prayut will appoint himself PM. No need to waste Thai people's time going to the polls. Democracy died 4 years ago. Singapore is their business model and it has no Democracy. 

Fully agree with the above post - except that I would say that North Korea is a much preferred model for junta-led Thailand than anywhere else. It is a state much to be aspired to by this bunch of people-oppressors (politely called the military junta - but we can all think of a more suitable name!).

7 minutes ago, robblok said:

It is not.. but you know what I mean.. a criminal gets banned from politics and still can control a party.. No wonder action has been taken if even after being banned from politics he goes on.  Nobody would stand for that kind of behavior anywhere else. 

Yes I do know what you mean but this is not anywhere else, this is here. What I am saying is that it is no more scummy than anything else which goes on in the Thai political arena, so why single it out?

9 minutes ago, Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere said:

What elections? Oh you mean the election after all opposing forces have been banned or imprisoned then Prayut will appoint himself PM. No need to waste Thai people's time going to the polls. Democracy died 4 years ago. Singapore is their business model and it has no Democracy. 

 

Singapore is a good analogy. Ironically I think Thaksin saw that as a role model with the Shins being the Thai version of the Lees. Looks like someone pinched his idea!

Well, I'm kind of surprised there was nothing in there about the children and grandchildren of the violators being banned from politics for life as well. Might as well go full bore and include "thought crimes" for anyone who likes Mr. T while they're at it.

Not much different than in the USA, where incompetent and illegitimate leaders continue to dismantle democracy while pointing fingers at the previous regimes whenever confronted. And to those cheerleading on the sidelines, just look at who your heroes are hanging with - Newin Chidchob, now there's another fine upstanding citizen! The hypocrisy is disgusting.

10 minutes ago, Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere said:

Democracy died 4 years ago. Singapore is their business model and it has no Democracy. 

Did I miss something. Was there a coup in Singapore and Lee HL is a non elected prime minister. Please do tell wise one. 

2 minutes ago, Eligius said:

Fully agree with the above post - except that I would say that North Korea is a much preferred model for junta-led Thailand than anywhere else. It is a state much to be aspired to by this bunch of people-oppressors (politely called the military junta - but we can all think of a more suitable name!).

 

Ridiculous. Comparing Thailand to NK. Nothing like. Singapore, that's the model. Unless you want to show us how the Thai Junta intend to dissolve private ownership of all organizations and property.

2 minutes ago, Eligius said:

Fully agree with the above post - except that I would say that North Korea is a much preferred model for junta-led Thailand than anywhere else. It is a state much to be aspired to by this bunch of people-oppressors (politely called the military junta - but we can all think of a more suitable name!).

 

Ridiculous. Comparing Thailand to NK. Nothing like. Singapore, that's the model. Unless you want to show us how the Thai Junta intend to dissolve private ownership of all organizations and property.

16 hours ago, Eligius said:

Great points, Pornprong. Yes, the contrast between what many, many Thais feel (gratitude) for Thaksin and the contempt they feel for Prayut is very striking - and it grows by the month. 

 

Prayut will never, never, NEVER even reach as far as the waistline of Thaksin in the popularity stakes amongst the ordinary and poorer Thais. It is a non-contest - and THAT is why Prayut fears a real contest (a genuine election) so much - and why he will find any means, foul or filthy ('fair' doesn't enter into it with Prayut), to block that man and his party - whatever some Westerners might think of them ...

 

Prayut would have as much chance in Thailand as Hun Sen would in Cambodia if there were free and fair elections.

 

It is striking the similarities between the two men and their actions, and also, when things are not going in their direction, the way they attempt to use and quote the law when it suits them to legitimize their cause.

 

Both these two men are in power through seizing it, quashing opposition through wrongful and anti-democratic means; and both men try to put themselves forward as the only hope for the country and saviours of the people.

5 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

They can try to ban the PTP from the election; they might even succeed in banning the PTP from the election.

 

However, any thought of legitimacy and/or political peace would go flying out the window. The simple fact is that PTP is the most popular party in Thailand and if a free and fair election were held today, Thaksin would win and become Prime Minister.

 

I know it. You know it. Prayut knows it. The NCPO members know it. The "five rivers" know it. The political class knows it. The heads of all institutions know it. All the political parties know it. The Thai people know it. Hell, my dog knows it.

 

The effect of banning the PTP would simply put lie to the idea that Thai people had any rights at all.

 

The genie is out of the proverbial bottle. If you take away all the political rights of the Thai people, either you will have to govern with such oppression and arrogance that the country will decline rapidly (see Burma), the Thai people will rise up and Thailand would be back to the bloody street battles with all the effects that would have on the economy, or there is a middle ground where things almost but not quite get out of hand; positions would harden, hatred would re-kindle, fester and grow further, and Thailand would stagnate and atrophy.

 

IMHO, the only not terrible future for Thailand is to have as free and fair an election as possible; the alternative(s) simply lead to either a rapid or slow decline. 

 

The Thai people deserve better than this.

 

It's a good thing you've got it all figured out.

IMHO It's a shame that with a developing nation comes easily manipulated, unsophisticated voter's who are swayed with a few benefits, while the fat cats pillage the country for generations of it's wealth. 

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Ridiculous. Comparing Thailand to NK. Nothing like. Singapore, that's the model. Unless you want to show us how the Thai Junta intend to dissolve private ownership of all organizations and property.

I am speaking about the oppression of people, the lack of freedom of speech, and the ultra-promotion of the cult of personality that we have witnessed under Prayut. I cannot say more, this being Thailand  ...

 

 

Edited May 8, 20188 yr by Eligius

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

 

 

 

If you cut that moustache from Wan at both sides, who do you see?

3 hours ago, Emster23 said:

Who's afraid of the big bad wolf.. the big bad wolf, the big bad wolf?

Political suicide or twenty years in a Thai prison, whats the difference hahahaha, The big bad wolf is already circling you would think 

Nothing new here.

The junta is just following its playbook used for the 2007 election that placed pro-military Abhisit as Head of Government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_general_election,_2007

 

Thaksin is a megalomaniac, narcisist and can’t help himself meddling and trying to regain his lost face, by controlling Thailand yet again.

 

Cancelling his third party of puppets, before or after the election filling dates, still removes another layer of his shills from trying to manipulate the Rice Network poor as a voting block.

 

His one inovation was buying the puyais before the elections, rather than horse trading for them after the election.

 

The last time they tried this quid pro quo Rice Pledging payoff to the Rice Network leadership; millers, shippers, and delivery companies, ie puyais, with a pittance going to the actual farmers, it resulted in the massive flood from attempting to protect the harvest in a grandly stupid way, 

 

Even Minkwan, Thaksin’s finance minister, quit saying it wouldn’t work don’t do it. He was ignored.

   Winning is more important than how you do it or the knock on effects of your methods in Thaksinland.

 

This was populist payoff 101, in its worse aspect, and caused a nearly 800 billion baht loss for the country as a whole. And depressed the world rice market. Hence Yingluck’s negligence conviction.

 

Thaksin has proved horrible for the country several times over, deaths upon deaths and mass penury for his efforts, but some people never learn.

 

Some still imagine he is the rainmaker...

Well except those dozens of poor farmers who hung themselves because they didn’t get paid for their harvest under Yingkuck’ regime, and of course the Shylocks always wanted their vig.

Edited May 8, 20188 yr by animatic

17 minutes ago, animatic said:

Thaksin is a megalomaniac, narcisist and can’t help himself meddling and trying to regain his lost face, by controlling Thailand yet again.

 

Cancelling his third party of puppets, before or after the election filling dates, still removes another layer of his shills from trying to manipulate the Rice Network poor as a voting block.

 

His one inovation was buying the puyais before the elections, rather than horse trading for them after the election.

 

The last time they tried this quid pro quo Rice Pledging payoff to the Rice Network leadership; millers, shippers, and delivery companies, ie puyais, with a pittance going to the actual farmers, it resulted in the massive flood from attempting to protect the harvest in a grandly stupid way, 

 

Even Minkwan, Thaksin’s finance minister, quit saying it wouldn’t work don’t do it. He was ignored.

   Winning is more important than how you do it or the knock on effects of your methods in Thaksinland.

 

This was populist payoff 101, in its worse aspect, and caused a nearly 800 billion baht loss for the country as a whole. And depressed the world rice market. Hence Yingluck’s negligence conviction.

 

Thaksin has proved horrible for the country several times over, deaths upon deaths and mass penury for his efforts, but some people never learn.

 

Some still imagine he is the rainmaker...

Well except those dozens of poor farmers who hung themselves because they didn’t get paid for their harvest under Yingkuck’ regime, and of course the Shylocks always wanted their vig.

Agree but still better than non elected coup Prayut. 

18 hours ago, robblok said:

Seems logical that they can disband the PTP... I mean Thaksin is a convicted criminal who is not allowed to run in the election or to influence the politics of the PTP. If people can still influence the politics after they are banned and convicted its not much of a punishment. Ruling by proxy would negate the whole banning procedures.

 

Doubt there are any normal democracies where they let convicted criminals on the run run their party from a distance. 

 

PTP just has to make a choice, the people and the elections.. or Thaksin. 

I think you've hit the nail on the head with this one and un baffled a few tv brains here today.

An offensive post has been removed.

5 hours ago, robblok said:

It is not.. but you know what I mean.. a criminal gets banned from politics and still can control a party.. No wonder action has been taken if even after being banned from politics he goes on.  Nobody would stand for that kind of behavior anywhere else. 

 

I don't disagree that Thaksin was a crook of giant proportions but being a ' convicted criminal ' in Thailand doesn't mean a thing to me nor many others. He was only convicted after the military seized power and in effect controlled the courts.

 

Prayut and his henchmen are crooks and criminals and whichever way you cut it overthrew a democratically elected government that was rightfully in place by the will of the Thai people. Prayut is now trying to get into bed with family members of ' Kamnan Poh ' for God's sake. A murderer who has been convicted by the highest courts in this land and is free.

 

What about this Article 44 what he can enforce at any time making him basically the biggest despot in the world. He is no better than all the other tinpot dictators and banana republics of Africa and Asia.

9 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

if a free and fair election were held today, Thaksin would win and become Prime Minister.

There lies the problem.  There is no 'free and fair election'.  The new constitution put paid to that and the prime minister will not necessarily be from the largest party or indeed from any party!

11 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

I don't disagree that Thaksin was a crook of giant proportions but being a ' convicted criminal ' in Thailand doesn't mean a thing to me nor many others. He was only convicted after the military seized power and in effect controlled the courts.

 

Prayut and his henchmen are crooks and criminals and whichever way you cut it overthrew a democratically elected government that was rightfully in place by the will of the Thai people. Prayut is now trying to get into bed with family members of ' Kamnan Poh ' for God's sake. A murderer who has been convicted by the highest courts in this land and is free.

 

What about this Article 44 what he can enforce at any time making him basically the biggest despot in the world. He is no better than all the other tinpot dictators and banana republics of Africa and Asia.

You should see all the other court cases that are there.. they are far more damming then the ones he was convicted for. Its a fact he was hugely corrupt and is banned from politics for that. But that did not stop him.. this new law might.

 

You do understand that before Kamnan Poh supported Prayut he supported the PTP... I mean lets not act like the PTP is any better as Prayut.

 

I wan't to see Prayut gone but at the same time I have absolutely no love for Thaksin.. i see them both as a problem for Thailand. So I have no problems with you calling Prayut a despot or whatever.. in the other topic I called him the biggest hypocrite too. But that does not mean i like Thaksin.

So much for "returning to democracy"!!! 

My opinion is that if the PM thinks that things are going his way then maybe there will be an election but the moment he thinks he's fighting a losing (political) battle he use any excuse to delay the polls again. He has no real form of defense so he'll 'attack' (politically) where he can.