Trump abandons 'defective' Iran nuclear deal, to revive sanctions

[Grouse]

13 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Here is where we differ.

 

If Trump's action in withdrawing cause really bad directly related and tangible outcomes - then I will admit Trump was wrong!

 

If Trump's action in withdrawing cause positive directly related and tangible outcomes - then will you admit Trump was right?

 

Right or Wrong, Trump said he would all through his campaign - and he did it.  Unlike other POTUS before him he will not acccept deals that benefit others to the cost of Americians.

Trump will withdraw from NATOand the UN as well - unless the other Nations pay their fair share, and play fair.  Not right now - but during his term he will do it if a deal is not made.

 

 

Good. Get out of NATO. 

 

the USA is too much trouble. Stay home. Please.

[ELVIS123456]

23 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I bet you think that Elvis is still alive as well!!

Promises. Promises.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/08/promise-kept-donald-trump-announces-decision-withdraw-iran-deal/

 

I mean it is not as if 'deals' done by Liberals to appease fundamentalist dictators have ever failed: 

 

 

And what was it that Chamberalin and his cohorts said about Hitler? 

By the way - watch the movie 'Darkest Hour' - there was much more hatred of Churchill early in his term.

There is a lot of similarities between Churchill and Trump.

The establishment (swamp) viewed Churchill as a buffoon and not the 'right type' - but the ordinary People related to him and trusted him. 

Churchill was right (nearly all the time), and he kept his promises to the People.

Churchill was against appeasement - and the establishment hated him and tried to take him down.

So far Trump is showing he is the same type of character - unorthodox, unpredictable, and persistent.

 

[attrayant]

34 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said:

If Trump's action in withdrawing cause really bad directly related and tangible outcomes - then I will admit Trump was wrong!

 

If Trump's action in withdrawing cause positive directly related and tangible outcomes - then will you admit Trump was right?

 

Are those the only two possible outcomes?  Bifurcating the world makes arguments so much easier, doesn't it?  The problems is that it makes complex issues look overly simplistic.

 

How can we know that bad/good outcomes are directly related to the Trump pull-out?  At best, it'll be debatable.  Our allies will likely continue to forge ahead without our help, and Iran says they'll continue to stick to the agreements as well.  That makes it possible that things will at least remain stable without us.  That won't be because of Trump's pull-out, but in spite of it.  Trump just makes the USA look like a big jerk for shifting the burden of peace onto our allies.

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Promises. Promises.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/08/promise-kept-donald-trump-announces-decision-withdraw-iran-deal/

 

I mean it is not as if 'deals' done by Liberals to appease fundamentalist dictators have ever failed: 

 

 

And what was it that Chamberalin and his cohorts said about Hitler? 

By the way - watch the movie 'Darkest Hour' - there was much more hatred of Churchill early in his term.

There is a lot of similarities between Churchill and Trump.

The establishment (swamp) viewed Churchill as a buffoon and not the 'right type' - but the ordinary People related to him and trusted him. 

Churchill was right (nearly all the time), and he kept his promises to the People.

Churchill was against appeasement - and the establishment hated him and tried to take him down.

So far Trump is showing he is the same type of character - unorthodox, unpredictable, and persistent.

 

You compare Churchill a war hero, drunk, and a necessery tool in war England was about to loose with Trump and todays situation? 

 

Still when all that is said, Churchill had more class than Trump ever will have. 

Edited May 9, 2018 by Hummin

[evadgib]

Patting trump on the back re NK could perhaps wait until the korean peninsular is under a single flag and Kim jong oink & co are wearing orange jumpsuits en-route to Gitmo or the Hague.

[evadgib]

10 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Promises. Promises.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/08/promise-kept-donald-trump-announces-decision-withdraw-iran-deal/

 

I mean it is not as if 'deals' done by Liberals to appease fundamentalist dictators have ever failed: 

 

 

And what was it that Chamberalin and his cohorts said about Hitler? 

By the way - watch the movie 'Darkest Hour' - there was much more hatred of Churchill early in his term.

There is a lot of similarities between Churchill and Trump.

The establishment (swamp) viewed Churchill as a buffoon and not the 'right type' - but the ordinary People related to him and trusted him. 

Churchill was right (nearly all the time), and he kept his promises to the People.

Churchill was against appeasement - and the establishment hated him and tried to take him down.

So far Trump is showing he is the same type of character - unorthodox, unpredictable, and persistent.

 

Trump has done more backflips than Tom Daley ?

[ELVIS123456]

47 minutes ago, xylophone said:

But he cancelled it before any negotiations took place with regards to a "better deal"...…….go figure this orange clown.

You are the clown mate. 

You think Trump's people have not been 'talking' through the back-channels via one or more of its 'contacts' - Eqypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar.

Liberals seem to think the only truth is in media coverage - reality is that a lot is done via the back channels - eg. Nth Korea.

I am certain Iran refused all approaches as they had the support of EU and UN - but you can go and try if you want to show Trump up.

But dont take any alcohol/drugs with you - dont argue and lose your head - and be ready to 'convert'.

 

Have you seen them burn the American flag in the Iranian Parliament - obviously they are not reasonable or rational.

They never have been and never will be while the Attollas rule.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/09/middleeast/iran-reacts-nuclear-deal-intl/index.html

 

Edited May 9, 2018 by ELVIS123456

[Hummin]

A burning flag,, yes, the world goes under, especially when it is an American flag, a flag patriotic Americans use for underwear 

Edited May 9, 2018 by Hummin

[ELVIS123456]

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

A burning flag,, yes, the world goes under, especially when it is an American flag, a flag patriotic Americans use for underwear 

I cannot for the life of me remember the flag of another Country being burned by fanatical members of parliament in any western country.

People on the street can get angry and do it, but I cannot recall that level of fanaticism inside a western parliament - not even the UN .

 

[one baht]

All rhetoric put aside,

 Hopefully  President Trump has been underestimated  in his endeavours

and that his decisions will have a positive outcome for all concerned .

I believe North Korea has released 3 Americans at the request of President Trump 

in the lead up to thier summit meeting. Who knows what the future holds .

 

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, alocacoc said:

What will happen: finally Trump comes out with a better deal everyone would've expected and the haters won't give him any credit. As usual. So far Trump did a fantastic job in his presidency. His consistency of winning will continue. Lay back and enjoy the show.

Sent from a so called Smartphone using an App.
 

I don't know if you've noticed, but so far Trump has only been breaking international deals, not making any.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Nail. On. Head. Hit.  Trump haters will criticise and predict armaggedon for anything he does. Then when it works out right (like NK), they will claim it was because of something/someone else, because to accept that Trump achieved a positive outcome would be to admit that they were wrong.

 

Trump is doing what he said he would do, and what he was elected to do.  He said he would cancel the Iran deal if it could not be changed to be a better deal.  

 

There's no North Korea deal yet, and unlikely to be one unless Trump sells out US interests and allies. 

 

Try to distinguish between actual events and the noise that Trump makes.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Promises. Promises.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/08/promise-kept-donald-trump-announces-decision-withdraw-iran-deal/

 

I mean it is not as if 'deals' done by Liberals to appease fundamentalist dictators have ever failed: 

 

 

And what was it that Chamberalin and his cohorts said about Hitler? 

By the way - watch the movie 'Darkest Hour' - there was much more hatred of Churchill early in his term.

There is a lot of similarities between Churchill and Trump.

The establishment (swamp) viewed Churchill as a buffoon and not the 'right type' - but the ordinary People related to him and trusted him. 

Churchill was right (nearly all the time), and he kept his promises to the People.

Churchill was against appeasement - and the establishment hated him and tried to take him down.

So far Trump is showing he is the same type of character - unorthodox, unpredictable, and persistent.

 

A Breitbart fan, and one who compares Trump to Churchill. 

 

I don't know where to begin.  Perhaps by comparing Churchill's history of military and government service to Trump's?

[rgraham]

This agreement was flawed to start and accomplished nothing to benefit the west, good riddance!

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Have you seen them burn the American flag in the Iranian Parliament - obviously they are not reasonable or rational.

They never have been and never will be while the Attollas rule.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/09/middleeast/iran-reacts-nuclear-deal-intl/index.html

 

Maybe they start if you stop bombing all these countries, grab their national  resources, put proxy governments in there and secure a Rothschild central bank to keep the dollar as oil payment.

[heybruce]

11 minutes ago, rgraham said:

This agreement was flawed to start and accomplished nothing to benefit the west, good riddance!

I'm limited in how much I can cut and paste, but this alone proves how wrong you are:

 

" Iran's uranium stockpile was reduced by 98% to 300kg (660lbs), a figure that must not be exceeded until 2031. It must also keep the stockpile's level of enrichment at 3.67%. "  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655   

 

Why don't you read the rest of the link before posting nonsense?

[riclag]

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

Maybe they start if you stop bombing all these countries, grab their national  resources, put proxy governments in there and secure a Rothschild central bank to keep the dollar as oil payment.

sources please

[Andaman Al]

4 hours ago, evadgib said:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-from-prime-minister-may-chancellor-merkel-and-president-macron-following-president-trumps-statement-on-iran

Excellent message to the rest of the world from the E3. The head of state of Iran was more dignified in his response to Trumps actions than Trump could display in a lifetime of trying.

 

4 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

More proof that Trump was right in withdrawing. Thanks.

 

What a pity we didn't withdraw when we followed you into Iraq.

 

 

3 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Promises. Promises.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/08/promise-kept-donald-trump-announces-decision-withdraw-iran-deal/

 

I mean it is not as if 'deals' done by Liberals to appease fundamentalist dictators have ever failed: 

 

 

And what was it that Chamberalin and his cohorts said about Hitler? 

By the way - watch the movie 'Darkest Hour' - there was much more hatred of Churchill early in his term.

There is a lot of similarities between Churchill and Trump.

The establishment (swamp) viewed Churchill as a buffoon and not the 'right type' - but the ordinary People related to him and trusted him. 

Churchill was right (nearly all the time), and he kept his promises to the People.

Churchill was against appeasement - and the establishment hated him and tried to take him down.

So far Trump is showing he is the same type of character - unorthodox, unpredictable, and persistent.

 

And the Breitbart reader compares Trump to Churchill.   . I just want the US out of NATO now, get the frakk off European territory with all your splendid weapons, get the UN Headquarters away from the US and see how great America will be within 5 years. The only thing that made America great was war. Just building war machines and selling them and their men all over the world. WW2 was probably the start, prior to that the US was up s**t creek without a paddle. Ever since then the industrial military complex has made the US what it is. PLEASE take it all, including your crap food, build the wall - all the way around and lets deal with some countries where the heads of state have some integrity. I instructed one of my businesses today that leases large hull aircraft that from today we only lease Airbus. It will cost me in the short term but the guys in the office laughed and clapped so that was worth it.

 

I already see some good coming from Trumps decision, It will unify Europe with a bit of luck.

Edited May 9, 2018 by Andaman Al

[evadgib]

The government regrets the decision of the US Administration to withdraw from the deal and to re-impose American sanctions on Iran.

We did our utmost to prevent this outcome; from the moment that President Trump’s Administration took office, we made the case for keeping the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPoA) at every level.

Last Sunday I travelled to Washington and repeated this country’s support for the nuclear agreement in meetings with Secretary Pompeo, Vice-President Pence, National Security Adviser Bolton and others and my Right Honourable Friend the Prime Minister spoke to President Trump last Saturday.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/foreign-secretary-statement-on-the-iran-nuclear-deal

Edited May 9, 2018 by evadgib

[Andaman Al]

Respectfully, looking at the title of this thread, one might consider changing it, as there was nothing 'defective' about the deal. It was working and the Iranians were complying. It was only the new axis of evil AISA that thought it defective, everyone else saw it as working and tweaks were needed, and indeed planned. We should not lend any, even implied advocacy for Trumps folly.

 

"Trump abandons 'defective' Iran nuclear deal, to revive sanctions" = "Trump abandons Iran nuclear deal, to revive sanctions"

 

Trump will not be able to 'get a better deal' as the US won't be allowed back at the table.

[ELVIS123456]

What are some of you guys smoking - 'at the table' - 'we only lease Airbus' - 'It will unify Europe' - etc etc etc. 

 

Trump said he didnt like the deal - said appeasement doesnt work - said he would cancel the deal - he listend to those wanting to keep it - he decided to cancel it - he kept an election promise.

 

Believe and support Israel - or believe and support Iran - Trump obviously made the right call. 

Those of you supporting Iran have issues and need to read up:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dont-whitewash-the-iranian-regimes-crimes

 

http://thehill.com/opinion/international/353398-ignoring-irans-crimes-against-humanity-bolsters-ayatollahs

 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/iran/report-iran/

 

 

 

[Hummin]

55 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said:

What are some of you guys smoking - 'at the table' - 'we only lease Airbus' - 'It will unify Europe' - etc etc etc. 

 

Trump said he didnt like the deal - said appeasement doesnt work - said he would cancel the deal - he listend to those wanting to keep it - he decided to cancel it - he kept an election promise.

 

Believe and support Israel - or believe and support Iran - Trump obviously made the right call. 

Those of you supporting Iran have issues and need to read up:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dont-whitewash-the-iranian-regimes-crimes

 

http://thehill.com/opinion/international/353398-ignoring-irans-crimes-against-humanity-bolsters-ayatollahs

 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/iran/report-iran/

 

 

 

I could post hours of his speaches, but I think 14 sec is enough

 

https://youtu.be/WOF03ZAuemE

 

 

If you think USA administration care about human rights? You have to take a look at Saudi, and every single other countries you are dealing with, even take look in the mirror. 

Edited May 10, 2018 by Hummin

[Peasandmash]

"We will not let a country that chats, 'death to America' have the deadliest weapons on earth." God Bless America, God Bless Donald Trump.

Edited May 10, 2018 by Peasandmash

[selftaopath]

12 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

What will happen:  Iran are the winners, they will never sit down and negotiate with the US again (certainly not for the next 6 months whilst Trump is still President), why would they? Why would any nation sit and make any deal at all with the USA from now on? Even Thieving Gypsy Pikey bas***ds would not have been so stupid. Trump has just put the USA on a trust level on par with Nigeria. The sooner the US Idiocracy ends the better. A nation I have fought along side and flown active operational missions with has become the laughing stock of the world.  The World's leader has become the court jester.

Ah yes and to the utter delight of Putin aka tRump's puppet master. 

[lannarebirth]

Personally, were I president, I would want to make Iran an allie rather than a foe. I respect their citizens as much or more than I do the Israelis and more than I do the Saudis. Unfortunately, heads of state don't deal with the citizenry, they deal with other heads of state. All heads of state in the Middle East are projections of wacky religious doctrines that are further corrupted to serve political goals. Same goes for Israel, Iran and SA. Were it me, I'd shitcan the Saudis, work with the Israelis to undermine and eject the ayatollahs and then let the Israelis know that in the eyes of the US they are neither better or worse than the Iranian people. In the meantime hopefully the Saudis will kill off their own radical clergy.

[selftaopath]

9 hours ago, heybruce said:

I don't know if you've noticed, but so far Trump has only been breaking international deals, not making any.

Along with breaking campaign promises e.g. releasing tax returns/better health care/ tax repeal that helps average Americans NOT his buddies or himself.... etc. He is a pathological liar with numerous mental health issues. 

[lannarebirth]

16 minutes ago, selftaopath said:

Ah yes and to the utter delight of Putin aka tRump's puppet master. 

 

How so?  You know Russia and Iran are allies, right?  Or is just another one of your "feelings""?

[lannarebirth]

5 minutes ago, selftaopath said:

Along with breaking campaign promises e.g. releasing tax returns/better health care/ tax repeal that helps average Americans NOT his buddies or himself.... etc. He is a pathological liar with numerous mental health issues. 

 

I can only speak for myself, but 2 months ago I put my family on a new healthcare plan with about the same deductible as my Obamacare plan but with better coverage. It cost's $6,500/year less than I was paying for the healthcare exchange plan under Obamacare. It is better healthcare at a reduced price for me and my family. It is still exorbinately expensive but much less than it was. Your mileage may vary.

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I can only speak for myself, but 2 months ago I put my family on a new healthcare plan with about the same deductible as my Obamacare plan but with better coverage. It cost's $6,500/year less than I was paying for the healthcare exchange plan under Obamacare. It is better healthcare at a reduced price for me and my family. It is still exorbinately expensive but much less than it was. Your mileage may vary.

It should never been necessery to have a health care plan in your own country! It is a shame, and should have been free for all citizens. 

 

As a guest and expat in a foreign country yes, but not your own birth place, where you go school, work, and pay taxes. Even serve your country if you have to. 

Edited May 10, 2018 by Hummin

[lannarebirth]

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It should never been necessery to have a health care plan in your own country! It is a shame, and should have been free for all citizens. 

 

As a guest and expat in a foreign country yes, but not your own birth place, where you go school, work, and pay taxes. Even serve your country if you have to. 

 

Amen man. You are preaching to the choir.