On an Education visa but side lines selling cars

[HooHaa]

21 hours ago, dallen52 said:

This is what brought it to light.

He buys cars.. So I have now found out.

 

Doesn't do the transfer to his name.

Just holds onto the papers. And blue book. 

 

When he sells them, it's a transfer from the person who he bought from. Not him.

 

Colleague bought a car from him.

He took them to DLT Pattaya and straight to an agent.

One he has used more than ten times she tells my partner in Thai. 

 

It was in general discussion that he mentioned the ED visa and his Thai lady. 

 

Shify little shit..

 

it would seem you are as nosy as he is shifty, especially if your colleague got what he paid for properly registered at a decent price.

 

id suggest you pull your head in and mind your own business.

[HooHaa]

21 hours ago, dallen52 said:

Correct. 

Race, creed or colour have no impact whatsoever. 

Shifty little thieving shits will treat everyone equal. 

As easy targets..

If he wants to be a student fine.

If he wants to be a car dealer, fine too.

But live up to your moral obligations.

And don't rip people off.

who has he ripped off?

kind of lacking this info in our original post.

your freind get his car correctly registered or what?

[dallen52]

7 hours ago, HooHaa said:

who has he ripped off?

kind of lacking this info in our original post.

your freind get his car correctly registered or what?

Not yet.

Eight weeks he is so far waiting. 

 

My apologies to all if it was sounding like a racial witch hunt.

And no questions were directly asked about the bloke.

 

The DLT agent lady gave the information when he asked <deleted> was taking so long.

And said he was concerned about the car and seller.

Because he had stopped communication and deleted his FB. 

And not sent the receipt. 

 

She just openly said.

Oh no problems with him i do more than ten cars transfer for him.

It will be okay. 

 

Anyway. 

It appears a lesson learned. 

And as many have indicated. 

Why worry about it if he is selling cars and using ED visa for four years. 

 

Once the transfer is completely. 

No more needs to be said. 

Someone else's problem.

 

I was simply trying to be a messenger. 

[dallen52]

7 hours ago, HooHaa said:

it would seem you are as nosy as he is shifty, especially if your colleague got what he paid for properly registered at a decent price.

 

id suggest you pull your head in and mind your own business.

Jumping to conclusions...

 

Why should i not ask  question for a good friend on this forum?

 

It was the first car he has bought in Thailand. 

 

He hasnt got the car in his name yet.

He didn't get the receipt. 

The cars been in the workshop several times already. 

30,000 cost so far.

The seller has deleted his FB. 

 

You sound like you condone what he 

is doing and getting away with?

 

Why do you suggest that i  pull my head in and mind my own business?

I thought attacks were off limit on here regardless of your status level.

[Tanoshi]

2 minutes ago, dallen52 said:

He hasnt got the car in his name yet.

The owner of the car (not the seller) will have to appear with your friend at the DLT in order to change the logbook details.

They don't care about the transaction.

 

Your friend does have the logbook.........right?

[dallen52]

On 5/27/2018 at 3:46 PM, merlen10002 said:

How is he ripping people off ? he is paying the price for the car that the seller wants, the people he sells the car to pay the price they want to , I think they would look around and know the price the car should sell for, he is not putting his name in the transfer, so is ripping the transport off for the transfer cost, nothing wrong with doing two things to make money, in Australia I was a motor dealer and restaurateur , but did all very legal . had a dealers licence and all the correct licences for the restaurant. why not do the two things ? 

LMCT..

Different from telling someone you are on ED visa and Thai lady is sick. 

And selling heaps of cars .

Hence the question .

Is he working?

[dallen52]

3 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

The owner of the car (not the seller) will have to appear with your friend at the DLT in order to change the logbook details.

They don't care about the transaction.

 

Your friend does have the logbook.........right?

Err. The seller.

He had the blue book and papers from the Thai lady he purchased from.

All in Thai. 

She did her part and passed it all to him. All signed. 

So he presented ALL with him to DLT and started the transfer process.

The car had problems the next day.

His response was 

Sorry i know nothing. Bye.

Deleted the FB account. 

Never sent the receipt. 

The DLT agent lady says not to worry. 

Check the other responses. 

 

I feel for my friend. 

Want to try to help.

Thats what mates do. 

[dallen52]

20 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

It seems that the people condemning you did not pay this attention to  this part.

I understand your point. However, In hindsight, you should have just reinforced common sense by advising people not to purchase a vehicle from  a person like this. dumb it down, otherwise some  people don't get it.

 

The buyer will have little recourse since this is an illegal transaction. The fact that the chap will claim to be an "agent" is BS. He is arranging the sale and acting as the salesperson and is remunerated accordingly. The rule is that one cannot seek legal protection or relief when one enters into an illegal activity and the activity goes wrong. Buyers who transact with this  man are engaged in an illegal activity and despite their potential claim of not knowing he was not authorized to sell cars will have little recourse in the event that something goes wrong.

Hopefully he is caught at some point because he has probably ripped off a few stupid people who  thought they could trust him because he was European.

 

The point i was trying to make.

Exactly..

 

I know from my limited experience on the forum that there is a wealth of helpful information and insights offered. 

 

And then you have the  ones who seem to get their rocks off berating and putting a negative comment to everyone and everything..

 

Thanks again. 

[Tanoshi]

12 minutes ago, dallen52 said:

Err. The seller.

He had the blue book and papers from the Thai lady he purchased from.

All in Thai. 

She did her part and passed it all to him. All signed. 

So he presented ALL with him to DLT and started the transfer process.

The car had problems the next day.

His response was 

Sorry i know nothing. Bye.

Deleted the FB account. 

Never sent the receipt. 

The DLT agent lady says not to worry. 

Check the other responses. 

 

I feel for my friend. 

Want to try to help.

Thats what mates do. 

Did he test drive the car first.

 

No guarantees buying a second hand car here.

Your mate has the car in his name now, what exactly is the problem.

Edited May 28, 2018 by Tanoshi

[dallen52]

21 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Did he test drive the car first.

 

No guarantees buying a second hand car here.

Your mate has the car in his name now, what exactly is the problem.

Its not there yet. Transferred.

 

DLT agent lady says not to worry it will go into his name. Friday. 

8 weeks so far.

 

Need to update blue book to have black roof.

It has a sports pack and second colours need recording now.

Remove Bangkok plates.

Fit Chonburi plates.

 

All which should have been done if the Pattaya guy selling had transferred to his name. 

Would have been done now. 

And simple transfer. 

And if not done, impacts the annual road tax payment when due.

 

But then, he is a car dealer so they dont waste time doing this.

Even if they are studying too. lol

 

Many lessons learned for him.

My friend. 

I Will send him a link to the forum.

 

Been beaten up enough for one posting.

[Tanoshi]

46 minutes ago, dallen52 said:

,Its not there yet. Transferred.

What's not there yet?

 

If you bought an out of Province car and need to change the plates it takes time.

Part of the issue seems naivety on the part of your mate.

If you have a grievance against the seller or the if you feel the transfer is in any way dodgy, file a Police report.

[dallen52]

43 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

What's not there yet?

 

If you bought an out of Province car and need to change the plates it takes time.

Part of the issue seems naivety on the part of your mate.

If you have a grievance against the seller or the if you feel the transfer is in any way dodgy, file a Police report.

After Friday. 

Police sounds like a good idea 

I feel its been long enough. 

I was trying to get the forum feeling about this without getting too involved or waffling on and on. 

Naive yes.

He told me after the event.

 

Not sure what they can do because he didn't get the receipt the guy was sending. 

Then the communication went dead.

 

Worst case is he has a Bkk car he purchased from a Thai lady he never met.

In his name. 

Via a middle person.

The original owner signed the papers and didnt put the buyers name on.

DLT agent lady says not to worry. 

It will be in his name..

Just wait for new plates. 

All OK..

 

I'm trying to be positive. 

It is Thailand...

Edited May 28, 2018 by dallen52

[jenny2017]

22 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

It seems that the people condemning you did not pay this attention to  this part.

I understand your point. However, In hindsight, you should have just reinforced common sense by advising people not to purchase a vehicle from  a person like this. dumb it down, otherwise some  people don't get it.

 

The buyer will have little recourse since this is an illegal transaction. The fact that the chap will claim to be an "agent" is BS. He is arranging the sale and acting as the salesperson and is remunerated accordingly. The rule is that one cannot seek legal protection or relief when one enters into an illegal activity and the activity goes wrong. Buyers who transact with this  man are engaged in an illegal activity and despite their potential claim of not knowing he was not authorized to sell cars will have little recourse in the event that something goes wrong.

Hopefully he is caught at some point because he has probably ripped off a few stupid people who  thought they could trust him because he was European.

 

"Hopefully he is caught at some point because he has probably ripped off a few stupid people who  thought they could trust him because he was European."

 

    Do you really believe that the OP's post told you the truth? Maybe he's got a relationship with his lady because he's got cash?

 

   Can you read between the lines? 

 

  

[jenny2017]

12 minutes ago, dallen52 said:

After Friday. 

Police sounds like a good idea 

I feel its been long enough. 

I was trying to get the forum feeling about this without getting too involved or waffling on and on. 

Naive yes.

He told me after the event.

 

Not sure what they can do because he didn't get the receipt the guy was sending. 

Then the communication went dead.

 

Worst case is he has a Bkk car he purchased from a Thai lady he never met.

In his name. 

Via a middle person.

The original owner signed the papers and didnt put the buyers name on.

DLT agent lady says not to worry. 

It will be in his name..

Just wait for new plates. 

All OK..

 

I'm trying to be positive. 

It is Thailand...

Please try to mind your own business and if somebody really rips another foreigner off, there are many ways to solve this problem, just because he is doing that illegally.

Perhaps he's a good car dealer without ripping others off? Have you got a link, a story, etc that shows that he rips people off?

 

  It wouldn't work out over such long time anyways. 

  

[Bullie]

On 5/27/2018 at 3:08 AM, overherebc said:

Not sure but even UK will class you as a dealer if you 'repair/service sell more than 3 or 4 cars a year'

Might be wrong but I can imagine the UK tax dept getting interested.

Obviously you don't need a work permit in UK, I added that before anyone jumps on it, and of course you are a UK citizen.

Trying to think of any other small points that I should add but should be understood as being covered in the above. ?

What, for Pete's sake does this have to do with UK? We are talking Thailand here....

[delphioracle]

Interesting saga, but be warned. Some of the  more venerable members here may recall an outfit called Ex Pat Motors run by a chap called Andy  Wing,  who has long since fled back to the U K . leaving a number of people well out of pocket. There are many similarities  between the current character, his methods and then a vanishing scene to that of the Andy Wing character.

 

 

Edited May 28, 2018 by delphioracle

[overherebc]

8 hours ago, Bullie said:

What, for Pete's sake does this have to do with UK? We are talking Thailand here....

Two people beat you to that comment on the first page.

Anyway, if you buy one older car here a year do a little bit of work on it and sell it you won't have any problems tax or WP wise. Same as UK. However here and UK will class you as a business if you up that to 5/6/7 cars a year. That's the gist of the post. ?

[dallen52]

On 5/28/2018 at 10:27 PM, delphioracle said:

Interesting saga, but be warned. Some of the  more venerable members here may recall an outfit called Ex Pat Motors run by a chap called Andy  Wing,  who has long since fled back to the U K . leaving a number of people well out of pocket. There are many similarities  between the current character, his methods and then a vanishing scene to that of the Andy Wing character.

 

 

I want to advise that the DLT finally got around to completing all this.

Blue book into his name ok.

Dual colours added. (Black sports roof is now a second colour)

New plates and windscreen label issued.

8 weeks all up.

 

He bought the vehicle with residual insurance cover to Dec 2018.

He is now trying to get this changed over to his name.

Another issue, because the original seller didn't sign a paper to transfer the insurances... only the car.

 

And our man of mystery who onsold without adding his name to the Blue book. Has obviously disappeared. 

 

I just want to add.

If anyone is interested.

This cheap is still selling cars locally.

On several sites, using different names. Different Facebook. 

But same phone number.

He describes himself as Self Employed...

Mazda 2 is his latest offering.

Im happy to provide two names he is using....

 

Or as said before. I could just mind my own business.

[stevenl]

"He bought the vehicle with residual insurance cover to Dec 2018.

He is now trying to get this changed over to his name.

Another issue, because the original seller didn't sign a paper to transfer the insurances... only the car."

 

Standard is the insurance goes and stays with the car, so no additional paperwork or transfer at all required.

[dallen52]

On 6/9/2018 at 12:11 PM, stevenl said:

"He bought the vehicle with residual insurance cover to Dec 2018.

He is now trying to get this changed over to his name.

Another issue, because the original seller didn't sign a paper to transfer the insurances... only the car."

 

Standard is the insurance goes and stays with the car, so no additional paperwork or transfer at all required.

Its MSIG who has an office in pattaya. 

Initially given the response from them that he needed the sellers written consent to transfer the insurance cover remaining..

 

However it appears that the first response is not always the correct response. 

As we learn in Thailand many times. 

 

So hopefully its progressing for the name change.

 

As several peers mentioned. 

Private deals for cars are a pain in the rear end .

Especially when you come from a country where it's well regulated and seems to follow a standard procedure. 

[dallen52]

On 6/9/2018 at 12:11 PM, stevenl said:

"He bought the vehicle with residual insurance cover to Dec 2018.

He is now trying to get this changed over to his name.

Another issue, because the original seller didn't sign a paper to transfer the insurances... only the car."

 

Standard is the insurance goes and stays with the car, so no additional paperwork or transfer at all required.

 

 

As several peers mentioned. 

Private deals for cars are a pain in the rear end .

 

Especially when you come from a country where it's well regulated and seems to follow a standard procedure. 

 

I just want to add  few things.

 

Its entirely up to members and others if they read and learn. 

 

Read and already know everything and ignore. 

 

Or read and get thier jollies from berating an unfortunate friend who has been well and truly stiffed.

 

The transfer went through. 

Blue book updated.

New registration and plates. 

Nine weeks. 

 

The insurance cover is changed to include his name.

The policy for anyones information stay in the original owners name.

With new owner notation.

Until renewed.

 

The car had issues. DCT. 

Ford Fiesta.. 55,000 km.

 

The seller who we mentioned before.

With all his faults. 

Well he just said he knows nothing. 

Good bye. 

And blocked his number.

 

Car was taken to a Ford dealer and because of the global issues with fiesta he was confident the car would be rectified. free.

WRONG. 

 

Ford system show the car has done more than 120,000 km.

Speedo say 56000 km.

Nothing Ford dealer can do unless the car is presented with 120km on the dial.

Then extended warranty is ok.

 

Cannot believe that it was suggested to revise the speedometer...!!

 

So.

Yes there are people alive and thriving in Pattaya who live here on ED visa, and sell cars they buy, clean up and spin the Speedo.

And resell.

 

Obviously making good coin.

To support his lifestyle. 

Then shirk any responsibility. 

 

He is still doing it.

Several names he is using.

Two cars advertised current.

But same phone number. 

 

I'm not going to say any more. 

I can name him.

Various names. 

Publish his number.

But that can be changed.

 

Fellow forum members. 

 

Please be careful out there who you buy a vehice from.

My friend has learned an expensive lesson.

Financially and emotionally. 

 

Caveat emptor.....

 

 

 

 

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, dallen52 said:

 

 

As several peers mentioned. 

Private deals for cars are a pain in the rear end .

 

Especially when you come from a country where it's well regulated and seems to follow a standard procedure. 

 

I just want to add  few things.

 

Its entirely up to members and others if they read and learn. 

 

Read and already know everything and ignore. 

 

Or read and get thier jollies from berating an unfortunate friend who has been well and truly stiffed.

 

The transfer went through. 

Blue book updated.

New registration and plates. 

Nine weeks. 

 

The insurance cover is changed to include his name.

The policy for anyones information stay in the original owners name.

With new owner notation.

Until renewed.

 

The car had issues. DCT. 

Ford Fiesta.. 55,000 km.

 

The seller who we mentioned before.

With all his faults. 

Well he just said he knows nothing. 

Good bye. 

And blocked his number.

 

Car was taken to a Ford dealer and because of the global issues with fiesta he was confident the car would be rectified. free.

WRONG. 

 

Ford system show the car has done more than 120,000 km.

Speedo say 56000 km.

Nothing Ford dealer can do unless the car is presented with 120km on the dial.

Then extended warranty is ok.

 

Cannot believe that it was suggested to revise the speedometer...!!

 

So.

Yes there are people alive and thriving in Pattaya who live here on ED visa, and sell cars they buy, clean up and spin the Speedo.

And resell.

 

Obviously making good coin.

To support his lifestyle. 

Then shirk any responsibility. 

 

He is still doing it.

Several names he is using.

Two cars advertised current.

But same phone number. 

 

I'm not going to say any more. 

I can name him.

Various names. 

Publish his number.

But that can be changed.

 

Fellow forum members. 

 

Please be careful out there who you buy a vehice from.

My friend has learned an expensive lesson.

Financially and emotionally. 

 

Caveat emptor.....

 

 

 

 

So in reality this whole thread would have received more sympathetic responses if it had been titled something like expat in xxxxxxx selling cars with recorded mileage altered etc etc is there anything that can be done about it?

[dallen52]

1 minute ago, overherebc said:

So in reality this whole thread would have received more sympathetic responses if it had been titled something like expat in xxxxxxx selling cars with recorded mileage altered etc etc is there anything that can be done about it?

Possibly true.

But it unfolded bit by bit.

As you can see. 

 

He did his car deal.

He was green to the possible pitfalls. 

Then things were not progressing as he thought they should.

First time buyer.

 

The rest unfolded as it progressed..

 

Suppose my final post is the end result, with a generalized warning to members that this guy is at loose out there.

Catching a few locals.

And Will continue to do so.

 

He is not the only one.

I think we collectively all come across a few.

[Briggsy]

Try selling a second hand vehicle privately in Pattaya. Advertise on a number of websites, newspapers, supermarket notice boards around Pattaya and there is over a 50% chance that you will be contacted by somebody from Turkey, Israel, etc. who won't waste too much of your time in getting to his amazingly lowball offer.

 

Think about it. If this guy can make 100,000 Baht on a car less costs which will be very little, how many hours teaching does that equate to or how many kebabs does he need to make and sell to match that.

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, dallen52 said:

 

 

As several peers mentioned. 

Private deals for cars are a pain in the rear end .

 

Especially when you come from a country where it's well regulated and seems to follow a standard procedure. 

 

I just want to add  few things.

 

Its entirely up to members and others if they read and learn. 

 

Read and already know everything and ignore. 

 

Or read and get thier jollies from berating an unfortunate friend who has been well and truly stiffed.

 

The transfer went through. 

Blue book updated.

New registration and plates. 

Nine weeks. 

 

The insurance cover is changed to include his name.

The policy for anyones information stay in the original owners name.

With new owner notation.

Until renewed.

 

The car had issues. DCT. 

Ford Fiesta.. 55,000 km.

 

The seller who we mentioned before.

With all his faults. 

Well he just said he knows nothing. 

Good bye. 

And blocked his number.

 

Car was taken to a Ford dealer and because of the global issues with fiesta he was confident the car would be rectified. free.

WRONG. 

 

Ford system show the car has done more than 120,000 km.

Speedo say 56000 km.

Nothing Ford dealer can do unless the car is presented with 120km on the dial.

Then extended warranty is ok.

 

Cannot believe that it was suggested to revise the speedometer...!!

 

So.

Yes there are people alive and thriving in Pattaya who live here on ED visa, and sell cars they buy, clean up and spin the Speedo.

And resell.

 

Obviously making good coin.

To support his lifestyle. 

Then shirk any responsibility. 

 

He is still doing it.

Several names he is using.

Two cars advertised current.

But same phone number. 

 

I'm not going to say any more. 

I can name him.

Various names. 

Publish his number.

But that can be changed.

 

Fellow forum members. 

 

Please be careful out there who you buy a vehice from.

My friend has learned an expensive lesson.

Financially and emotionally. 

 

Caveat emptor.....

 

 

 

 

The reset speedo makes it a crime, time to go to the police.

[dallen52]

22 hours ago, stevenl said:

The reset speedo makes it a crime, time to go to the police.

I agree.

My friend is beside himself with this fiasco. 

Not to mention the grief he is getting from his thai lady..

All we have to go on is a phone number and two names he used.

He blocked my friends calls.

Deleted the FB account he corresponded with. 

And as mentioned earlier he didnt even put his name to the transfer. 

 

He buys.

Gives them a showroom shine.

Spins the speedo. 

And uses the transfer papers from the selling person. He bought from.

Just doesn't bother about putting it in his name.

 

10 this year the transfer lady said. 

 

Doesn't need to show id as he uses the owners information. 

 

The invisible man.... Haha 

 

Might Have to catch him on one of his next deals...

Call him and agree to look at the car he is selling. 

And have a heart to heart with him.

 

Its not nice...

But it happens everywhere..

[dallen52]

On 6/17/2018 at 1:56 PM, Briggsy said:

Try selling a second hand vehicle privately in Pattaya. Advertise on a number of websites, newspapers, supermarket notice boards around Pattaya and there is over a 50% chance that you will be contacted by somebody from Turkey, Israel, etc. who won't waste too much of your time in getting to his amazingly lowball offer.

 

Think about it. If this guy can make 100,000 Baht on a car less costs which will be very little, how many hours teaching does that equate to or how many kebabs does he need to make and sell to match that.

He is not the only one.

Someone contacted me recently with a similar problem. 

Asking if it was the same bloke. 

 

Did a bike deal on Pattaya cars and bikes..

Big bike. 150,000, owner going overseas. Bike was worth 350k.

 

Money requested using western union. 

Set up the funds transfer and upon delivery of the bike and papers he would then release the funds.

Friend will deliver. 

But not trust friend with money.

This guy sent Paul a fake western union site that tricked him into releasing the funds.

 

Never saw the bike. 

He and three friends are still hoping to catch up with the seller.  Yves.

 

He and his cronies still have several non existent vehicles advertised in Pattaya around the 100,000 mark.

 

Money for jam isn't it?

 

Human nature makes us look for those reluctant sales and owner returning overseas must sell.

Edited June 18, 2018 by dallen52

[Tanoshi]

6 minutes ago, dallen52 said:

This guy sent Paul a fake western union site that tricked him into releasing the funds.

You don't go on a site someone sends you...……..f**** sake.

 

To many Frank Spencer's in Thailand without any help from Betty.

And why, as your so concerned, haven't you taken any advice and reported it to the Police.

[dallen52]

12 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

You don't go on a site someone sends you...……..f**** sake.

 

To many Frank Spencer's in Thailand without any help from Betty.

And why, as your so concerned, haven't you taken any advice and reported it to the Police.

Read the posts... doh.

 

I think most of us are advanced in the gene pool enough to avoid those sites.

Money transfer scams.

 

But they obviously catch a few.

 

You know its been mentioned  a few times now.

"If I am so concerned.."

 

What do you suggest he reports to the police?

He has nothing to catch the guy with.

At least my friend is prepared to share his plight. 

In the hope others don't get sucked in.

 

How do you report a ghost..?

He is obviously very clever.

 

No trail to implicate him.

[Tanoshi]

Whining on the forum won't solve your mate's problem.

He got scammed, live and learn.

 

Go file a Police report, but you'll have to get out of your armchair to do it.

It's because people do nothing (except whinge) that these scammers get away with it.

 

7 minutes ago, dallen52 said:

He is obviously very clever.

Or your mate's a fool.