Iran calls on world to stand up to Trump, save nuclear deal

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Iran calls on world to stand up to Trump, save nuclear deal

 

Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif arrives at the European Council headquarters in Brussels, Belgium, May 15, 2018. Thierry Monasse/Pool via Reuters

 

LONDON (Reuters) - The world should stand up to Washington's bullying behaviour, Iran's foreign minister was quoted as saying on Sunday by state media in a letter to counterparts, as the top diplomat intensifies efforts to save a nuclear deal after a U.S. exit.

 

U.S. President Donald Trump pulled out last month from the 2015 accord between Iran and world powers that lifted sanctions on Tehran in exchange for curbs to its nuclear programme.

 

The remaining signatories of the deal - France, Germany, Britain, Russia and China - still see the international accord as the best chance of stopping Tehran developing a nuclear weapon and are trying to salvage it.

 

In a letter from Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif to his counterparts last week, he asked "the remaining signatories and other trade partners" to "make up for Iran's losses" caused by the U.S. exit, if they sought to save the deal.

 

"The JCPOA (nuclear deal) does not belong to its signatories, so one party can reject it based on domestic policies or political differences with a former ruling administration," Zarif was quoted as saying in the letter, parts of which were published by the state news agency IRNA on Sunday.

 

The nuclear deal was the result of "meticulous, sensitive and balanced multilateral talks", Zarif said, and could not be renegotiated as the United States has demanded.

 

He said U.S. "illegal withdrawal" from the deal and its "bullying methods to bring other governments in line" with that decision have discredited the rule of law in international arena.

 

Iran's top leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has set out a series of conditions on for European powers if they want Tehran to stay in the nuclear deal, including steps to safeguard trade with Tehran and guarantee Iranian oil sales.

 

The remaining parties to the nuclear deal have warned the United States that its decision to withdraw from the pact jeopardises efforts to limit Iran's ability to develop atomic weapons.

 

Trump abandoned the agreement on May 8, arguing that he wanted a bigger deal that not only limited Iran's atomic work but also reined in its support for proxies in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Lebanon and that curbed its ballistic missile programme.

 

(Reporting by Bozorgmehr Sharafedin; editing by David Evans)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-06-04

[ezzra]

Iran can be trusted as far as you can throw them, their brutal expenditures  ambambitions in to many countries around the region and sleeper terror cells and many other countries are well known, Iran uses mercenary proxy army of other nations recruits to do their dirty job, Iran finance and support Hezbollah and Hamas, both terrorist entities, Iran does not recognize Israel right to exist and call for it's destruction and total annihilations and such mad bunch of zalot Mullahs should not possess nukes....

[bristolboy]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

Iran can be trusted as far as you can throw them, their brutal expenditures  ambambitions in to many countries around the region and sleeper terror cells and many other countries are well known, Iran uses mercenary proxy army of other nations recruits to do their dirty job, Iran finance and support Hezbollah and Hamas, both terrorist entities, Iran does not recognize Israel right to exist and call for it's destruction and total annihilations and such mad bunch of zalot Mullahs should not possess nukes....

And  whether any or all of your assertions are true, what has this got to do with the topic at hand?

[phantomfiddler]

18 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

And  whether any or all of your assertions are true, what has this got to do with the topic at hand?

How about "Everything" ?

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

How about "Everything" ?

Because they're not nice people?

Hey, Trump is about to attempt to negotiate a deal with a monster who makes the mullahs look like saints.

 

[Morch]

From the OP:

 

Quote

"The JCPOA (nuclear deal) does not belong to its signatories, so one party can reject it based on domestic policies or political differences with a former ruling administration," Zarif was quoted as saying in the letter, parts of which were published by the state news agency IRNA on Sunday.

 

Seriously doubt he's got a case there. Or maybe I'm wrong, and following the 1979 revolution, the new Iranian regime upheld all existing policies and international commitments. Countries do not permanently relinquish their sovereignty in the way Zarif implies. 

 

Further, the Obama administrations difficulties in approving the agreement on the domestic front were no secret. If Iran, and other signatories felt that strongly about it back then, perhaps it would have been wiser to iron out these issues rather than feigning dismay at the present.

 

And yes, Trump's withdrawal from the agreement is "sad".

[tonbridgebrit]

Go on, Iran, say it as it is. We've got to stand up against Washington. Trump is not actually the problem, the problem is advisors and other people in the White House, who are influencing Donald Trump.

Washington has decided to undo all the good work done by Obama's nuclear deal. Washington has decided to put up sanctions against Iran, and Washington is threatening to put up sanctions against anybody who trades with Iran.

Washington has actually become a place of madness. This can clearly be seen when Washington has decided to put up trade barriers against Britain and Europe, yes, them tariffs against steel made in Britain.


We, on planet earth, we must unite, and be against Washington. Britain, Europe, Russia, China, everybody knows that Iran is harmless. None of us wants to see sanctions against Iran. Washington is the only place that wants sanctions against Iran. It's mad, a bit like Washington being the only place that reckons that burning coal is not producing global warming. And lets hope that Trump comes to his senses, and fires a whole load of people in the White House. Yes, sack them people who reckon that Iran is a danger and threat to world peace.

[tonbridgebrit]

9 minutes ago, Morch said:

And yes, Trump's withdrawal from the agreement is "sad".

Trump's withdrawal is "sad" ???

Why don't you just say it, as it is ?  Trump's withdrawal shows that he is being being badly advised and badly influenced by a bunch of war-mongers in the White House.


This is not "sad". It's disastrous and catastrophic. America is being led into World War Three. America against Islam.

[Morch]

 

@tonbridgebrit

 

More of your usual propaganda trolling.

 

"Trump is not actually the problem" - sure thing. Care to actually name them "advisors and other people" influencing him? Can't rightly stand up to them without knowing who they are, eh?

 

And no, "Washington" haven't decided to undo Obama's legacy, this is actually more Trump's personal crusade. Some of Trump's senior advisors were actually opposed to dropping out of the Iran Deal, and the same goes for other policy decisions.

 

You do not speak for any "we", and there is no such imaginary, nonsensical imperative as you try to paint. Trump being Trump doesn't make China or Russia righteous. Of course, not "everybody" think Iran is "harmless", and it is untrue that everyone (again, that co-opting of "us") objects to sanctions laid on Iran.

[tonbridgebrit]

27 minutes ago, Juan B Tong said:

Bomb Iran!

 

So you want to bomb Iran ???

I take it that you do accept that sending American soldiers (ground forces) to Iran will be disastrous and catastrophic ? America sent soldiers to Iraq back in 2003, most of us still remember that. Even if we reckon that the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis is not important, we all still feel that American and British soldiers who were killed in Iraq was disgusting and wrong.

Sending American and British soldiers to Iran will be worse than what happened in Iraq. Let's not repeat what happened in Iraq back in 2003. Even idiots and morons can sometimes learn from their mistakes. Let's hope we don't see a repeat of the mistakes.

Edited June 4, 2018 by tonbridgebrit

[lionsincity]

29 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

@tonbridgebrit

 

More of your usual propaganda trolling.

 

"Trump is not actually the problem" - sure thing. Care to actually name them "advisors and other people" influencing him? Can't rightly stand up to them without knowing who they are, eh?

 

And no, "Washington" haven't decided to undo Obama's legacy, this is actually more Trump's personal crusade. Some of Trump's senior advisors were actually opposed to dropping out of the Iran Deal, and the same goes for other policy decisions.

 

You do not speak for any "we", and there is no such imaginary, nonsensical imperative as you try to paint. Trump being Trump doesn't make China or Russia righteous. Of course, not "everybody" think Iran is "harmless", and it is untrue that everyone (again, that co-opting of "us") objects to sanctions laid on Iran.

 

that vile creature Bolton for one

[Spike1938]

4 hours ago, ezzra said:

Iran can be trusted as far as you can throw them, their brutal expenditures  ambambitions in to many countries around the region and sleeper terror cells and many other countries are well known, Iran uses mercenary proxy army of other nations recruits to do their dirty job, Iran finance and support Hezbollah and Hamas, both terrorist entities, Iran does not recognize Israel right to exist and call for it's destruction and total annihilations and such mad bunch of zalot Mullahs should not possess nukes....

And a country that unilaterally drops out of a negotiated deal can be trusted? Trump and his corrupt coterie cannot be trusted as far as he can jump.

[dexterm]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

@tonbridgebrit

 

More of your usual propaganda trolling.

 

"Trump is not actually the problem" - sure thing. Care to actually name them "advisors and other people" influencing him? Can't rightly stand up to them without knowing who they are, eh?

 

And no, "Washington" haven't decided to undo Obama's legacy, this is actually more Trump's personal crusade. Some of Trump's senior advisors were actually opposed to dropping out of the Iran Deal, and the same goes for other policy decisions.

 

You do not speak for any "we", and there is no such imaginary, nonsensical imperative as you try to paint. Trump being Trump doesn't make China or Russia righteous. Of course, not "everybody" think Iran is "harmless", and it is untrue that everyone (again, that co-opting of "us") objects to sanctions laid on Iran.

>>and it is untrue that everyone (again, that co-opting of "us") objects to sanctions laid on Iran.

... so name the countries that do not object to Trump's new sanctions.

[dragonballz]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

And  whether any or all of your assertions are true, what has this got to do with the topic at hand?

duh  i not understand ,iran wants you to stand with them  and ezzra stated they cannot be trusted ,they are brutal ,they have sleeper terror cells ,has mercenary proxy armies , support hezboolah and hamas , wants to destroy israel and kill all us citizens  . 
That is everything to do with the topic at hand except your post which says and means nothing

[Morch]

1 hour ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Trump's withdrawal is "sad" ???

Why don't you just say it, as it is ?  Trump's withdrawal shows that he is being being badly advised and badly influenced by a bunch of war-mongers in the White House.


This is not "sad". It's disastrous and catastrophic. America is being led into World War Three. America against Islam.

 

Because I'm not obligated to subscribe to your inane point of view. Trump's position on the Iran Deal was in place long before he became POTUS. That you try to spin it as otherwise, is just more propaganda nonsense. Noticeably, you do not bother naming anyone.

 

Similarly, your other hyperbolic views aren't something that I share, or consider to be factual. There is no catastrophe. There is no WWIII. And America is not waging war against Islam.

 

Worth pointing out that you persist doing the hatchet job on posts, cutting off them pieces you cannot or will not address.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, lionsincity said:

 

that vile creature Bolton for one

 

Bolton came on board long after Trump expressed his views regarding the Iran Deal. If the argument was about Trump replacing more moderate advisors with hawkish ones, that's one thing. But the poster alleges that Trump isn't the issue here, and that his views are a product of the influence such advisors exert.

[Morch]

25 minutes ago, dexterm said:

>>and it is untrue that everyone (again, that co-opting of "us") objects to sanctions laid on Iran.

... so name the countries that do not object to Trump's new sanctions.

 

Oh dear, are we nitpicking again. Try reading posters' actual words, which weren't about "new" sanctions, but sanctions in general. And while doing so, reflect on the fact that even if the US would have remained party to the agreement - there would have been standing sanctions laid on Iran. The Iran Deal did not automatically lift all sanctions on Iran.

[Morch]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

And  whether any or all of your assertions are true, what has this got to do with the topic at hand?

 

That the issues raised by poster are mostly not covered by the Iran Deal is  true. But when it comes to Iranian trying to rally the world for its cause, they are worth bearing in mind.

[dexterm]

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Oh dear, are we nitpicking again. Try reading posters' actual words, which weren't about "new" sanctions, but sanctions in general. And while doing so, reflect on the fact that even if the US would have remained party to the agreement - there would have been standing sanctions laid on Iran. The Iran Deal did not automatically lift all sanctions on Iran.

Deflection.

You are the one making the assertion "and it is untrue that everyone (again, that co-opting of "us") objects to sanctions laid on Iran."

 

But apparently you can't name them.

Edited June 4, 2018 by dexterm

[Morch]

48 minutes ago, dexterm said:

Deflection.

You are the one making the assertion "and it is untrue that everyone (again, that co-opting of "us") objects to sanctions laid on Iran."

 

But apparently you can't name them.

 

Lets try again, without your usual spins and twists.

 

The poster alleged that "...everybody knows that Iran is harmless. None of us wants to see sanctions against Iran."

 

Both assertions made by poster are of the wide brush variety, aimed at presenting an imaginary unified point of view, while co-opting some imaginary "us".

 

The first part is obviously bogus. If Iran was "harmless" there would have been no sanctions nor Iran Deal to begin with. Further, while European signatories reject Trump's withdrawal from the agreement, they generally accept the issues raised as problematic with regard to Iran's other activities.

 

As for sanctions - other than poster presuming to speak for some imaginary "us", this too is obviously bogus. Even before Trump's withdrawal from the agreement, Iran was still under sanctions (if less restrictive than previously). I don't know that there were major objection to this. Regarding the "new" sanctions, signatories to the agreement and other countries rejected these moves. Other governments, opposed to Iran (such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Israel etc.) hold different views. That you, or other posters do not support the other point of view doesn't mean it does not exist.

 

I don't see you having any issues with poster making generalized claims both with regard to supposed international support, or Trump's mysterious advisors.

 

Edited June 4, 2018 by Morch

[quandow]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Because they're not nice people?

Hey, Trump is about to attempt to negotiate a deal with a monster who makes the mullahs look like saints.

 

Being American, I feel more and more the need to remind all forum participants governments are NOT representing most peoples' intentions. The Iranian government is just as dirty as the U.S. government, the UK government, the Israeli government, etc. Every Iranian I've personally met and spent any time with have been decent folks. Odds are I'd eventually find some exceptions, but that's just human nature. Don't hold a person's government against them as I've seen and suffered too many times.

[dexterm]

15 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Lets try again, without your usual spins and twists.

 

The poster alleged that "...everybody knows that Iran is harmless. None of us wants to see sanctions against Iran."

 

Both assertions made by poster are of the wide brush variety, aimed at presenting an imaginary unified point of view, while co-opting some imaginary "us".

 

The first part is obviously bogus. If Iran was "harmless" there would have been no sanctions nor Iran Deal to begin with. Further, while European signatories reject Trump's withdrawal from the agreement, they generally accept the issues raised as problematic with regard to Iran's other activities.

 

As for sanctions - other than poster presuming to speak for some imaginary "us", this too is obviously bogus. Even before Trump's withdrawal from the agreement, Iran was still under sanctions (if less restrictive than previously). I don't know that there were major objection to this. Regarding the "new" sanctions, signatories to the agreement and other countries rejected these moves. Other governments, opposed to Iran (such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Israel etc.) hold different views. That you, or other posters do not support the other point of view doesn't mean it does not exist.

 

I don't see you having any issues with poster making generalized claims both with regard to supposed international support, or Trump's mysterious advisors.

 

>>Other governments, opposed to Iran (such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Israel etc.) hold different views.That you, or other posters do not support the other point of view doesn't mean it does not exist.

 

Yes, I agree, these countries have points of view and interests, but they stink.

 

So the list of Trump's buddies countries who might support sanctions against Iran after Trump has ditched the previous deal are:

 

Saudi Arabia and UAE...with whom Trump has signed a multi $billion arms deal, and the same countries are the source of most Sunni Muslim terrorists worldwide, and the unofficial source of funding for the 911 terrorists. While Iran holds relatively free democratic elections and is no threat to USA 7,000 miles away.

 

Israel..the apartheid regime, swept-under-the-carpet nuclear power, and the tail that wags the US dog, and whom this whole nuclear fiasco is about

 

and 
an etc...

[bristolboy]

15 minutes ago, quandow said:

Being American, I feel more and more the need to remind all forum participants governments are NOT representing most peoples' intentions. The Iranian government is just as dirty as the U.S. government, the UK government, the Israeli government, etc. Every Iranian I've personally met and spent any time with have been decent folks. Odds are I'd eventually find some exceptions, but that's just human nature. Don't hold a person's government against them as I've seen and suffered too many times.

I was replying to someone who supported Trump's withdrawal from the nuclear deal on the grounds that the Iran had a terrible government. I simply pointed out that if that was the case, then making a deal with the North Korean government made even less sense.

[Morch]

 

@dexterm

 

While your usual vehemence is  dully noted, and bearing in mind your previous bogus "deflection" announcement - the point made was with regard to poster's usage of misleading, made up, wide-brush assertions. Your personal take on the merits of differing positions is irrelevant to this.

 

And, as expected, nothing of substance to address the first bogus assertion, about Iran being supposedly "harmless", and this being a common view.

 

 

[bkkgriz]

Iran is just worried the US may ask for the billions Obama sent them on a pallet late one night. Sorry Iran, the days of easy money from the US are over. Ask Russia and China to fund your terrorist activities from now on.

[Juan B Tong]

4 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

So you want to bomb Iran ???

I take it that you do accept that sending American soldiers (ground forces) to Iran will be disastrous and catastrophic ? America sent soldiers to Iraq back in 2003, most of us still remember that. Even if we reckon that the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis is not important, we all still feel that American and British soldiers who were killed in Iraq was disgusting and wrong.

Sending American and British soldiers to Iran will be worse than what happened in Iraq. Let's not repeat what happened in Iraq back in 2003. Even idiots and morons can sometimes learn from their mistakes. Let's hope we don't see a repeat of the mistakes.

Nah,

Just bomb them.  Keep the squaddies at home.

[quandow]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

I was replying to someone who supported Trump's withdrawal from the nuclear deal on the grounds that the Iran had a terrible government. I simply pointed out that if that was the case, then making a deal with the North Korean government made even less sense.

Oh, I understood what you meant but many might not have. Too many part time theologians are ready to erroneously take personal umbrage and lash out. Just as the person right about this reply wants to "just bomb them." Heavy sigh . . .

Edited June 4, 2018 by quandow

[Redline]

5 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

Go on, Iran, say it as it is. We've got to stand up against Washington. Trump is not actually the problem, the problem is advisors and other people in the White House, who are influencing Donald Trump.

Washington has decided to undo all the good work done by Obama's nuclear deal. Washington has decided to put up sanctions against Iran, and Washington is threatening to put up sanctions against anybody who trades with Iran.

Washington has actually become a place of madness. This can clearly be seen when Washington has decided to put up trade barriers against Britain and Europe, yes, them tariffs against steel made in Britain.


We, on planet earth, we must unite, and be against Washington. Britain, Europe, Russia, China, everybody knows that Iran is harmless. None of us wants to see sanctions against Iran. Washington is the only place that wants sanctions against Iran. It's mad, a bit like Washington being the only place that reckons that burning coal is not producing global warming. And lets hope that Trump comes to his senses, and fires a whole load of people in the White House. Yes, sack them people who reckon that Iran is a danger and threat to world peace.

Trump is the President, and he has to take full responsibility!  He chose his advisors.  He is not a child, even though he acts like one.  What is it these days about no one taking responsibility?  I take full responsibility for my actions and decisions, and people who don't should not be respected

[The Theory]

???

I don’t like Trump much but I love what he is doing about this.  

 

 

[Morch]

7 hours ago, Redline said:

Trump is the President, and he has to take full responsibility!  He chose his advisors.  He is not a child, even though he acts like one.  What is it these days about no one taking responsibility?  I take full responsibility for my actions and decisions, and people who don't should not be respected

 

Indeed.

 

But by placing the "blame" on some unspecified "advisors" influencing Trump, the poster can bash the US, while allowing enough room for both supporters of Trump and those opposing him to accept his bogus point of view. The message is that it's not Trump's doing, not the American people's fault or will, but some nefarious cabal directing things. Same reason poster often employs "Washington", rather than the "US" etc.