SURVEY: Is a Trade War Looming?

[Kieran00001]

1 minute ago, Brunolem said:

I was a bit early..my bad...

 

The Chinese population is still growing...crawling...at a rate of .39% !

 

That would represent about 5.5 million extra people this year...

 

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/china-population/

 

 

This is primary school maths, the answer is 53 million not 5.5 million.

[Brunolem]

2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Being destroyed made it all the more harder for them to recover, if you think it makes it easier, quit your job and smash all your stuff.

 

Bookies didn't know about the likes of Cambridge Analytica, and they do normally get it right, its really only a couple they have gotten wrong recently and both of them had foreign agents meddling with the results.

 

Obama was hardly hand in hand with the Republicans, neither is Trump in hand with the Democrats, that is just internet conspiracy fueled tosh.

 

Why would there be a strong opposition candidate at this point in the term?  They normally come along toward the end.

 

Without war and destruction, Germany would have not recovered by the ballot box, since there would have been no ballot.

 

Meanwhile, in the US the ballot box is still working, but the damage done by Trump, as a candidate, is here to stay.

 

Not only Trump has many supporters because of his style, but candidates able to defeat him will have to be even more foul mouthed...just wait...

 

You are giving a lot of credit to Cambridge Analytica...a small boutique able to overturn an election in a country like the US...

 

Here is a fresh article about some notorious Democrats who behave strangely like Republicans, even like neocon republicans...

 

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/centrists-are-very-concerned-that-donald-<deleted>-trump-isnt-hawkish-enough-cce8e3cd1c64

 

 

[Brunolem]

11 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

This is primary school maths, the answer is 53 million not 5.5 million.

Actual population: 1,414,789,721

 

Growth rate: 0.39% = 0.0039

 

Population increase per year : 1,414,789,721 x 0.0039 = 5,517,679

 

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, Brunolem said:

 

 

Not only Trump has many supporters because of his style, but candidates able to defeat him will have to be even more foul mouthed...just wait...

 

Note: I edited above reply to isolate portion I want to reply too.

 

I agree. Part of the damage Trump has caused to the US electoral system Is that he has exposed its Achilles Heel , which is that pandering to the lowest common denominator works.

   Trump will be gone soon enough, either by ballot, or by old age, but his supporters , or at the very least those who are swayed by Trumpian tactics, will remain. I am sure this is a fact of life in the US not lost on all of those future Trump wannabes.   

[Kieran00001]

9 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Without war and destruction, Germany would have not recovered by the ballot box, since there would have been no ballot.

 

Meanwhile, in the US the ballot box is still working, but the damage done by Trump, as a candidate, is here to stay.

 

Not only Trump has many supporters because of his style, but candidates able to defeat him will have to be even more foul mouthed...just wait...

 

You are giving a lot of credit to Cambridge Analytica...a small boutique able to overturn an election in a country like the US...

 

Here is a fresh article about some notorious Democrats who behave strangely like Republicans, even like neocon republicans...

 

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/centrists-are-very-concerned-that-donald-<deleted>-trump-isnt-hawkish-enough-cce8e3cd1c64

 

 

 

Hitler's emergency decree would be unlikely to have lasted him long, he was a populist peddling a fake agenda who only managed to get his power though a false flag, the people would have figured him out eventually.

 

Trumps damage can largely be undone as easily as he is undoing Obamas good work.

 

I disagree, being more foul mouthed is one way to beat him, but hardly the only way. 

 

Yes, I give credit to Cambridge Analytica, they may be small in size but their reach was not, and their skills as exmillitary psychological warfare specialists are probably not something to sniff at, but it all remains to be seen.

 

 

[Kieran00001]

11 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Actual population: 1,414,789,721

 

Growth rate: 0.39% = 0.0039

 

Population increase per year : 1,414,789,721 x 0.0039 = 5,517,679

 

 

My applogies, Ithought you had said 3.9%, well in that case you are right, it's hardly growing at all

[Brunolem]

51 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Trumps damage can largely be undone as easily as he is undoing Obamas good work.

 

I disagree, being more foul mouthed is one way to beat him, but hardly the only way. 

 

I know the Trump type quite well.

 

I have a cousin, a businessman exactly like that...once he starts talking there is no stopping him, because he is very good at stopping others with a just made up slogan like "low energy Jeb".

He is also very rude and verbally aggressive.

 

Meanwhile, France has the infamous Bernard Tapie, another businessman exactly like Trump, who managed to become minister, and to swindle the state for 400 million euros!

 

You just can't beat these guys in a debate, because they won't let you...unless you are worse than them!

 

In 2020, Trump will run with the advantage of not having to go through primaries, and with the advantage of being the president.

You can see how good he is at self promotion and self congratulations...and many people seem to like that.

His approval ratings are going up!

 

It will be very difficult to beat him...and the damage done to the electoral process will have worsen...

[pegman]

It's on!

https://nypost.com/2018/06/14/canadians-boycott-us-products-cancel-vacations-to-america/

[Credo]

19 minutes ago, pegman said:

It's on!

https://nypost.com/2018/06/14/canadians-boycott-us-products-cancel-vacations-to-america/

I don't see this working out well for the US.   Canada may fare better.   I have a home in one of the southern states and about 35-40% of the people who own homes in the community are Canadians who spend their winters there.   I doubt they will quit coming, but Mexico may make a windfall on this.   

 

 

[Opl]

""Trump Always Wanted a Trade War—and Now He’s Got Several"

"The president’s seemingly arbitrary punishment of countries with wildly different practices suggests he was never much interested in negotiating.    His priority is not negotiating, but fighting."

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/06/trump-china-tariffs-trade-war/562904/

Edited June 15, 2018 by Opl

[simple1]

Seems the journey to an actual Trade War has commenced with the PRC very specific response targeted at the economy of Trump base states to the 25% tariff on an additional US$50 billion on Chinese imports to the USA.

 

The Trump Administration has been vetoing all new Appeals Court judge appointees for the WTO. The activity is described as deliberate effort to destroy the rules based order for world trade. Also demonstrates  the misinformation & hypocrisy of the Trump Administration complaints regards WTO slow decision making.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-world-trade-dispute-system-veto-judges-appointments-global-freeze-us-diplomats-warning-a8079876.html

 

Edited June 15, 2018 by simple1

[ToddinChonburi]

On 6/10/2018 at 2:16 PM, Grouse said:

You should read up a little more

 

The USA had a huge trade surplus with Canada on agricultural products

 

Canada operates a supply side system on dairy products to maintain quality standards and protect farmers

 

The USA has massive over production just the same as China producing too much steel

 

Typical populist shallow thinking

NAFTA screwed the pork industry.  Over 17 billion trade deficit with Canada.   Try again.

[ToddinChonburi]

Even Bill Clinton admitted NAFTA  was a bad deal.

[simple1]

36 minutes ago, ToddinChonburi said:

NAFTA screwed the pork industry.  Over 17 billion trade deficit with Canada.   Try again.

Not what the US National Pork industry representatives claim, quite the opposite, NAFTA is a positive for the US pork industry.

 

http://nppc.org/issues/issue/north-american-free-trade-agreement-nafta/

 

 

[Kiwiken]

Europe , Canada, Mexico and China have all announced reciprocal Tariffs. Trade war is not looming it has started!

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, ToddinChonburi said:

NAFTA screwed the pork industry.  Over 17 billion trade deficit with Canada.   Try again.

I didn't know that. Please provide details...

[Becker]

1 hour ago, ToddinChonburi said:

NAFTA screwed the pork industry.  Over 17 billion trade deficit with Canada.   Try again.

 

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Not what the US National Pork industry representatives claim, quite the opposite, NAFTA is a positive for the US pork industry.

 

http://nppc.org/issues/issue/north-american-free-trade-agreement-nafta/

 

 

Please refrain from answering man-child supporters with cold hard facts - it makes them utterly confused and sad.

[Brunolem]

3 hours ago, Kiwiken said:

Europe , Canada, Mexico and China have all announced reciprocal Tariffs. Trade war is not looming it has started!

Right now it is more like provocations rather than a war.

If Trump follows up with his threat to tax cars, especially the German ones, then all bets are off...

[pegman]

3 hours ago, Kiwiken said:

Europe , Canada, Mexico and China have all announced reciprocal Tariffs. Trade war is not looming it has started!

E.U. & Japan will be joining shortly. 

[pegman]

5 hours ago, ToddinChonburi said:

NAFTA screwed the pork industry.  Over 17 billion trade deficit with Canada.   Try again.

Trump's government says it had an >$8b surplus with Canada last year. You calling Trump's government liars? 

 

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada

[ToddinChonburi]

On 6/16/2018 at 12:23 PM, pegman said:

Trump's government says it had an >$8b surplus with Canada last year. You calling Trump's government liars? 

 

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada

Ask all the Hormel workers that lost there jobs.

[Athens]

Some decades ago shipyards where closed in Europe, Korea was much cheaper, however new products where invented and shipyards specialised, US did not adopt kept the old products, methods and lost jobs. Wind and solar is at precent the future not coal and oil, creating new jobs has to be done not saving old teknologi and sit back relaxing hoping a strong person will fix the problem. Kennedy once .....do not ask what your country can do for you .........