1 hour ago, The Renegade said:

Really ?

 

Osborne, remainer to the core.

 

1. UK & IMF immediate recession if a leave vote happens

 

2. Housing market crisis

 

3. Emergency budget.

 

4. Unemployment will soar.

 

5. Every household will be £4300 worse off

 

6. Leaving the EU will lead to Armageddon.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/18/leave-eu-george-osborne-calculations-lead-to-armageddon

 

It is in the Guardian so it must be true, the remainers bible.

 

Read, digest and then head back to your safe space.

 

Let me also throw in £ - $ parity, £ - € parity that had the hysterical pill abusers in a frenzy ??

 

I point out you paint all Remain arguments as ‘Project Fear’ then use the extreme predictions (that nobody believed any way) to ignore all Remain arguments.

 

You respond by doing the exact same thing again.

 

Away with you and your attemps to avoid the fact Brexit is a mess of Brexiteers own making.

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I point out you paint all Remain arguments as ‘Project Fear’ then use the extreme predictions (that nobody believed any way) to ignore all Remain arguments.

 

You respond by doing the exact same thing again.

 

Away with you and your attemps to avoid the fact Brexit is a mess of Brexiteers own making.

These extreme predictions as you call them, came from the sitting Chancellor of the Exchequer ( You might have to google that to find out what it actually is )

 

I am not saying it, it is the PRO - REMAIN Guardian that is saying it. 

 

When you cannot read and understand simple English, it is hardly surprising that you are easily confused.

 

18 April 2016. 

 

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Leave the EU? Osborne calculates that would lead to Armageddon

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/18/leave-eu-george-osborne-calculations-lead-to-armageddon

 

 

3 hours ago, The Renegade said:

If you feel so strongly, you could always action Note 7 in a UK Passport.

 

If your head is so low, your embarrassment so high, you can always hand your passport back.

How many majesties do we have?

 

I already have a Danish passport and will certainly apply for a Scottish one.

4 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Does the head of this LOBBY GROUP ( key words ) understand that in 2016

 

The EU exported 1.2 million cars to the UK and the UK exported 950,000 cars to the EU

 

In a worst case scenario, where trade is halted between the UK - EU, it would not make much of a difference supplying the home market rather than importing.

I don't think the average remainer would be interested in the average British automobile unless it was from Jaguar Land Rover do you?

 

Do they still make Escorts?

55 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I don't think the average remainer would be interested in the average British automobile unless it was from Jaguar Land Rover do you?

 

Do they still make Escorts?

Yes they do . Latest models are always available on Soi 6.

1 hour ago, The Renegade said:

These extreme predictions as you call them, came from the sitting Chancellor of the Exchequer ( You might have to google that to find out what it actually is )

 

I am not saying it, it is the PRO - REMAIN Guardian that is saying it. 

 

When you cannot read and understand simple English, it is hardly surprising that you are easily confused.

 

18 April 2016. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/18/leave-eu-george-osborne-calculations-lead-to-armageddon

 

 

Look What you just did:

 

I pointed out your repeated false argument of labeling all Remain arguments as ‘Project Fear’ ( a term invented by Leave campaigners) and then using the most extreme views within everything labelled ‘Project Fear’ to dismiss all other Remain views.

 

Called out on this already, you double down by focusing on exactly one of those extreme views but this time you ridiculously choose the views of the then sitting Chancellor of the Exchequer and project those as views of ‘Remainers’.

 

Point 1.

 

Renegade, you surely know Osborne is first and foremost a Tory politician he shares few if any political, social or economic views with the millions of Remain supporters who are not Tories.

 

You cherry picked (and you had time to do so) points of view from a man who millions of Remain supporters would not ‘pass water on’ if he were on fire.

 

Point 2.

Even If a Remain supporters who, like many Remain supporters is not a Tory, were to listen to Osborne, s/he would hear Osborne’s comments in their full context.

 

Example (*) I ‘Osborne’ believe that under the following circumstances (...) the following will occur (-.-.-).

 

What you gave us is:

 

Osborne said (-.-.-) will occur.

 

You skipped the context old chap.

 

You had plenty of time, so there is a reason why you chose to quote Osborne out of context.

 

 

 

Away with you and your use of ‘Project Fear’ to ignore all Remain arguments,

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

How many majesties do we have?

 

I already have a Danish passport and will certainly apply for a Scottish one.

You will be in good company.

 

North Korea 'backs Scottish independence'

Exclusive: Kim Jong-un's regime would support an independent Scotland under Alex Salmond and is hoping to trade its natural resources for Scotch whisky, officials tell Telegraph.

 

"I believe independence will be positive as it will encourage personal exchanges and provide both countries with business chances," said Choe. "North Korea is rich in natural resources and we like the taste of Scotch whisky, so we can be beneficial to each other."

 

The business philosophy seems to chime as well. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/11089388/North-Korea-backs-Scottish-independence.html

 

 

7 hours ago, BritManToo said:

So tell them to do one. Germany can keep it's cars.

Everything is made in China these days, no need to deal with EU re-sellers.

Give British agri the chance to grow crops again without the cheap EU produce dumping.

Escort all Euro nationals to the ferry port and wave them bye-bye.

 

I'm all for hard Brexit at gunpoint.

 

I like that post, very entertaining.

 

"Germany can keep their cars".  Fair enough and they will be happy to close down their car manufacturing sites  that are in the UK.  Also all the companies in Britain that manufacture the parts.  That will teach them!

 

"Give British agri the chance to grow crops again".  Unfortunate then that Gove announced yesterday that after Brexit the farming subsidies will have to be cut (they are now paid by the EU) which will adversely affect the smaller farmers.

 

"Escort all Euro nationals to the ferry port and wave them bye-bye".   All good except that May is now proposing to relax the immigration policy to encourage more workers to come here, especially as the NHS is getting into a crisis situation because so many of the EU doctors and nurses are leaving. 

 

"I'm all for hard Brexit at gunpoint."  I'd be very careful, it looks to me that with your mindset you will find you are shooting yourself in the foot with your own gun ? 

6 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

All Tory's are revolting to me! she has a month left tops before the boot.

Yes bring in Labour! Then Brexit would definitely get thrown out of the window!

 

But seriously, who do you think would replace May?  The Brexiteers Rees Mogg and Johnson are hiding behind the sofa until Brexit is over so who would it be?

46 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Look What you just did:

???

 

I know what I did. I produced an article from the Pro - EU, Pro remain Guardian that tore strips off remainer Osborne's failed Project Fear.

 

An article that was written on the 18 April 2016, 2 months before the Referendum took place.

 

2 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Leave the EU? Osborne calculates that would lead to Armageddon

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/18/leave-eu-george-osborne-calculations-lead-to-armageddon

 

I hope that you can comprehend and understand this. I will try and make it easy for you.

 

If the article does not fit into your safe space, take it up with the author. If you do not get a satisfactory result, your next step would be to take it up directly with the Guardian.

6 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Does the head of this LOBBY GROUP ( key words ) understand that in 2016

 

The EU exported 1.2 million cars to the UK and the UK exported 950,000 cars to the EU

 

In a worst case scenario, where trade is halted between the UK - EU, it would not make much of a difference supplying the home market rather than importing.

How many of those cars exported to the EU are British owned car manufacturers?  Without a soft Brexit how many of those car manufacturing companies would remain in the UK?

5 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Never forget that there was a huge majority in the House of Commons vote to trigger Article 50. That would have been the time to scupper Brexit."

 

Not possible, as it would have been electoral suicide for remainer MPs (in leave constituencies) to vote against activating article 50.

Well, certainly not probable and for the reason you say. Trouble is now they are doing their best to block it by so many other methods. Makes things even more difficult and messy. It's bad enough trying to deal with the EU without all this domestic parliamentary dithering and backsliding. 

4 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

You know full well the highstreet is dying a death mainly because of the internet. Bricks & mortar retail businesses with rent and rates to pay cannot compete with online businesses.

 

Please don't tag Brexit to every bit of bad news.  It's disingenuous.

 

That is true, but Brexit is having an effect on the High Street as well.  At the moment the weak pound is making imported goods more expensive for the retailers to buy in and because of the pressure piling on because of less footfall in the High Street, everyone's  having to cut their prices.  It's a double whammy.  You could argue that the pound falling has nothing to do with Brexit but I know you are not that naïve.

6 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Without a soft Brexit how many of those car manufacturing companies would remain in the UK?

Get your crystal ball out and tell us all ?

 

What is a soft Brexit ? Explain it to me ?

 

Remaining in the CU or SM, under the control of Brussels and the ECJ, while pumping £ Billions to the EU for the pleasure is not Brexit or leaving the EU.

 

I await your '' Soft Brexit '' explanation with a few ??? at the ready.

Just now, dunroaming said:

That is true, but Brexit is having an effect on the High Street as well.  At the moment the weak pound is making imported goods more expensive for the retailers to buy in and because of the pressure piling on because of less footfall in the High Street, everyone's  having to cut their prices.  It's a double whammy.  You could argue that the pound falling has nothing to do with Brexit but I know you are not that naïve.

You might want to check out today's UK retail figures.

 

https://www.dailyfx.com/calendar

 

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Retail sales jump

UK retail sales in May rose 1.3% from April with growth across all main sectors, according to the Office for National Statistics. The ONS revised up April's rise to 1.8%.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/business-44444769

 

That goddam Brexit is not having the effect it is supposed to have.

2 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Get your crystal ball out and tell us all ?

 

What is a soft Brexit ? Explain it to me ?

 

Remaining in the CU or SM, under the control of Brussels and the ECJ, while pumping £ Billions to the EU for the pleasure is not Brexit or leaving the EU.

 

I await your '' Soft Brexit '' explanation with a few ??? at the ready.

My crystal ball?  I was asking you the question.

 

As far as "what is a soft Brexit", well I think you nailed it.  Some sort of re-hashed custom union and a form of single market for the trade deal.  It has already been said that we will be paying into the EU after Brexit so that is expected anyway.  Not Brexit?  Well it would be sad but without a seat at the table or a say in what happens in the EU I am afraid we would be out and therefore it's Brexit!

 

Personally I think that a "soft" or "hard" Brexit is a bit of a misnomer.  The terms mean different things depending on whoever is pitching them, but it is easy to use and people adapt their meanings accordingly. 

 

 

The pressure is on and keeps being ramped up.  You really feel that more and more but surprisingly no blood on the carpet yet!

 

 

401 out of 632 MPs represent constituencies that voted for Brexit in the referendum. That's 64% of constituencies. And yet most of those MPs continue to frustrate the process because of their personal views.

 

I was listening to LBC the other night after Phillip Lee, MP for Bracknell (a Leave constituency) resigned so he could vote against the Brexit bill. The switchboard was jammed with furious Bracknell constituents. They were particularly angry at how he claimed to be resigning because he had a duty to protect his constituents. The constituents who voted him in to represent them. They voted to Leave.  He was representing himself.

 

You couldn't make it up...

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

401 out of 632 MPs represent constituencies that voted for Brexit in the referendum. That's 64% of constituencies. And yet most of those MPs continue to frustrate the process because of their personal views.

 

I was listening to LBC the other night after Phillip Lee, MP for Bracknell (a Leave constituency) resigned so he could vote against the Brexit bill. The switchboard was jammed with furious Bracknell constituents. They were particularly angry at how he claimed to be resigning because he had a duty to protect his constituents. The constituents who voted him in to represent them. They voted to Leave.  He was representing himself.

 

You couldn't make it up...

Yes I was listening to LBC at the same time.  The ardent Brexiteer Ian Dale was chairing at the time, if I remember correctly. ?

43 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

You could argue that the pound falling has nothing to do with Brexit but I know you are not that naïve.

How much has the pound fallen against any of the manufacturing countries since Brexit?

Chinese Yuan 9.5 before, 8.5 now = 10% fall

37 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

That is true, but Brexit is having an effect on the High Street as well.  At the moment the weak pound is making imported goods more expensive for the retailers to buy in and because of the pressure piling on because of less footfall in the High Street, everyone's  having to cut their prices.  It's a double whammy.  You could argue that the pound falling has nothing to do with Brexit but I know you are not that naïve.

I don't mind if people say the weak pound (caused largely by Brexit uncertainty, not by Brexit) has sped up the demise of some high street names. I object when they suggest the high street is dying because of Brexit alone.

1 hour ago, The Renegade said:

???

 

I know what I did. I produced an article from the Pro - EU, Pro remain Guardian that tore strips off remainer Osborne's failed Project Fear.

 

An article that was written on the 18 April 2016, 2 months before the Referendum took place.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/18/leave-eu-george-osborne-calculations-lead-to-armageddon

 

I hope that you can comprehend and understand this. I will try and make it easy for you.

 

If the article does not fit into your safe space, take it up with the author. If you do not get a satisfactory result, your next step would be to take it up directly with the Guardian.

Right, so The Guardian (center left publication) doesn’t agree with Tory Chancellor of the Exchequer... ‘I’ll go to the top of our stairs.

 

And you bothered telling us.

 

Once again. Osborne does not by any stretch of the imagination represent or express the views of millions of Remain supporters.

 

‘Project Fear’ you say, again, ‘Project Fear’is an invention of Leave supporters too lazy or unwilling to engae in adult debate.

 

From my ‘safe space’ I’m watching Brexiteers become increasingly agitated as Brexit flounders.

 

Away with you and your distractions, the problems of  Brexit are nothing to do with those who supported Remain.

5 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I don't mind if people say the weak pound (caused largely by Brexit uncertainty, not by Brexit) has sped up the demise of some high street names. I object when they suggest the high street is dying because of Brexit alone.

The high street is dying all over the western world.

banks have all gone online.

stores have gone online.

edge of town supermarkets have driven the local stores out of business.

 

Business in town can't afford to pay the business rates, or compete against those that don't pay them.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

From my ‘safe space’ I’m watching Brexiteers become increasingly agitated as Brexit flounders.

No, you're seeing us become increasingly agitated as the government fails to abide by the vote to leave.

Revolution comrades, is in the air.

58 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Yes bring in Labour! Then Brexit would definitely get thrown out of the window!

 

But seriously, who do you think would replace May?  The Brexiteers Rees Mogg and Johnson are hiding behind the sofa until Brexit is over so who would it be?

With no credible opposition no idea Corbyn is the reason labour are a spent force The Torys are a collection of multi millionaires bigots so in answer that only leaves you or me I for sure can do a better job how about you?

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

No, you're seeing us become increasingly agitated as the government fails to abide by the vote to leave.

Revolution comrades, is in the air.

Hot air.

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

No, you're seeing us become increasingly agitated as the government fails to abide by the vote to leave.

Revolution comrades, is in the air.

You should have asked to see the plan before putting you ‘X’ in the ‘seems like a good idea’ box.

 

And here’s the punchline, you know already there was (and there still isn’t) a Brexit plan.

 

Well there’s no plan for new trade deals either.

 

Don’t come here later and try to blame that on Remain supporters.

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The high street is dying all over the western world.

banks have all gone online.

stores have gone online.

edge of town supermarkets have driven the local stores out of business.

Business in town can't afford to pay the business rates, or compete against those that don't pay them.

Plenty of Tesco Metros and Sainsbury Locals. But carry on.

7 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

With no credible opposition no idea Corbyn is the reason labour are a spent force The Torys are a collection of multi millionaires bigots so in answer that only leaves you or me I for sure can do a better job how about you?

You might be a star in the making.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You should have asked to see the plan before putting you ‘X’ in the ‘seems like a good idea’ box.

If you were British and voted, you would have known that there was no:

 

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Seems like a good idea box

Carry on, you are a real HOOT