Democrat deputy leader says Thaksin is trying to stop “bleeding” in Pheu Thai party

 

 

Fugitive former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra is trying to stop “bleeding” in the Pheu Thai party by assuring the party’s former MPs that he is still “in politics and not going anywhere”, said Mr Nipit Intharasombat, deputy leader of Democrat Party on Saturday.

 

Mr Nipit was commenting on Thaksin’s recent online address to his former MPs that, giving assurance that voters in the Northeast would overwhelmingly vote for the party in the next election.

 

“The political language now is that the Pheu Thai party is bleeding and Thaksin is trying to stop the bleeding,” said Nipit in reference to speculation that several former Pheu Thai MPs were being courted to leave the party.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/democrat-deputy-leader-says-thaksin-trying-stop-bleeding-pheu-thai-party/

 

 

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as in "bleeding useless"..............aint they all though!!

“The political language now is that the Pheu Thai party is bleeding and Thaksin is trying to stop the bleeding,” said Nipit in reference to speculation that several former Pheu Thai MPs were being courted to leave the party."

 

Or in other words, offered incentives.

 

Blowin in the wind.

 

If I was him, i'd be more concerned and worried about my own party...…….

7 hours ago, Thailand said:

“The political language now is that the Pheu Thai party is bleeding and Thaksin is trying to stop the bleeding,” said Nipit in reference to speculation that several former Pheu Thai MPs were being courted to leave the party."

 

Or in other words, offered incentives.

 

Blowin in the wind.

 

 

Having to up the ante and offer bigger "salaries" and slices of the pie.

 

Only many seem to be deciding other offers are better!

 

As usual he's quitting or staying depending on which way the wind is blowing. When everyone knows he really want to get back and becoming like his mate Hun Sen is across the border.

 

 

The PTP is concerned about 'bleeding' while the Democrats are suffering from amputation by Suthep who applied to register the Ruamphalang Prachachartthai party (Uniting the Force of the Thai Nation¹ aka Action Coalition for Thailand²). The new party is rumored to include several former Democrat MPs.

¹  https://www.thailandnews.co/2018/05/sutheps-brother-to-register-new-party/

²  http://www.thainews.co.th/news.php?id=65234&title=Will new party - Ruamphalang Prachachartthai, see Suthep's dreams come true?

Democrats also face a further potential political dilution from Muslim politicians in Southern Thailand who have decided to form their own party registered under the name “Pracha Chat.” Historically, Suthep through the Democrat Party has carried a large majority of voters in Southern Thailand in the general elections.

1 hour ago, thaiguzzi said:

If I was him, i'd be more concerned and worried about my own party...…….

 

Indeed. So would I, it seems to me that dog isn't running any more - it died.

 

 

7 hours ago, Thailand said:

“The political language now is that the Pheu Thai party is bleeding and Thaksin is trying to stop the bleeding,” said Nipit in reference to speculation that several former Pheu Thai MPs were being courted to leave the party."

 

Or in other words, offered incentives.

 

Blowin in the wind.

 

bigger the better (incentives)

"Nipit said further that most former MPs who defected to the other parties are those who have legal problems or second or third-grade politicians and 80 percent of them will not be welcome back once they left the parties."

 

Sounds more like the nonessentials are leaving than a blood letting. 

Weird...the clot is attempting to stop the bleeding.

Seriously that family like those conflict monkets needs neutering.

They polarise society too much and govt for them is a way of filling the family coffers

Prayut may have got a scarf and prawit some watches but in comparison to shinawatra they live like hermits.

Thaksin has a very hard stance on party betrayers and unlikely to stop them leaving or counter offer more incentives. The best example was heavyweight politician Newin who tried to get back into Thaksin’s coalition in 2012 after his infamous backstabbing turnaround that got Ahbisit into power. He was rejected flat out and he even has to relinquish his leader  position in BJT and tried to appease Thaksin by appointing Anuthin who was a close friend of Thaksin. That also failed. Even with a depleted resources, latest poll showed PTP will still win. The poll also revealed Dem to lose seats to Future Forward Party. 

 

50 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Correct.

 

Which makes coups even more pointless. 

 

Thais are just biding their time to choose who they have wanted in government all along. 

2 coups with a singular mission have not succeeded to eradicate the popularity of his parties. They throw everything at him by intimidation, change the law and use the courts to harass and they still very likely to win the next election. Time for the military and the establishment to except the wishes of the people. 

1 hour ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

No need. Miles ahead in the most recent polls. 

 

Another coup within 3 years is my bet, then countrywide fighting in 5. 

One wonders if they could be that stupid. A Thai spring.  It could spill over to Cambodia as well.  We all know there are plenty of people over the border who are unhappy.   The inbreds running the Thailand worship money.  One can only hope that they will be practical enough to see peace is to their benefit, and stop instigating these mindless coups. 

From what I read today in the BP  PAD mouthpiece Suriyasai has asked that the EC rule on whether or not Thaksin is running Pheaua Thai and whether that would mean that PT should be dissolved.. Nipit may be helping to float the same trial balloon.  

6 minutes ago, yellowboat said:

One can only hope that they will be practical enough to see peace is to their benefit, and stop instigating these mindless coups. 

IMO only the 1932 coup is beneficial to the people and the country. The rest of the 12 successful coups were mindless attempt by the military to assert their power and dominance. The military is the problem. 

15 hours ago, Thailand said:

“The political language now is that the Pheu Thai party is bleeding and Thaksin is trying to stop the bleeding,” said Nipit in reference to speculation that several former Pheu Thai MPs were being courted to leave the party."

 

Or in other words, offered incentives.

 

Blowin in the wind.

 

Thaksin has been gone long enough that if he were not funneling "incentives" into the political players he would be a non-factor....and he still has plenty of "incentives" to funnel.

It isn't the army that is the real problem, or at least not all of it. The real issue is that the court system is not reliable. The current rash of protests and coups can all be traced back to the court decision in 2001 which allowed Thaksin to continue staying in power when he was clearly guilty.

 

That gave him the confidence he needed to assume he was above the law, and the rest is history.

 

If you truly want to stop the coups, fix the court system. Once people have a trustworthy, legal channel to solve their grievances, there will no longer be a need to roll the tanks in order to keep order. Even the PT could do little damage to the country if the courts were functional to keep them in check. As long as the courts remain a tool of whatever government is in power though, coups will be the order of the day.  Get rid of the coups, and you've got Cambodia, which is in an even worse state right now than Thailand.

 

 

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

2 coups with a singular mission have not succeeded to eradicate the popularity of his parties. They throw everything at him by intimidation, change the law and use the courts to harass and they still very likely to win the next election. Time for the military and the establishment to except the wishes of the people. 

If true it only shows how braindead the shin followers are.

2 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

No need. Miles ahead in the most recent polls. 

 

Another coup within 3 years is my bet, then countrywide fighting in 5. 

who is going to do the fighting? - it won't be Thai's - too bloody lazy to even walk 10 meters if they can park their car or bike in the middle of the road.   Will have to import underpaid labourers from Burma, Lao or Cambodia if they want someone to fight for them. 

8 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

When picking the Shin clan over the current entrenched elite is your only option for positive change, it's a no brainer.

 

I wonder if he'll kiss the tarmac again when he arrives?

 

Oh, it's gonna be a great show!

Doubt he has the necessary anatomy to come back - too many looking for his scalp. 

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Thaksin has a very hard stance on party betrayers and unlikely to stop them leaving or counter offer more incentives. The best example was heavyweight politician Newin who tried to get back into Thaksin’s coalition in 2012 after his infamous backstabbing turnaround that got Ahbisit into power. He was rejected flat out and he even has to relinquish his leader  position in BJT and tried to appease Thaksin by appointing Anuthin who was a close friend of Thaksin. That also failed. Even with a depleted resources, latest poll showed PTP will still win. The poll also revealed Dem to lose seats to Future Forward Party. 

 

 

The Dems will also lose seats to the party that Suthep is becoming an "advisor " to.

 

IMHO the Dems have had 4 years to change and reinvigorate the party and have carefully wasted all of it. They are on their way to becoming 3rd rate hasbeens grovelling for even a smell of the trough.

 

The next election will see them teetering on the edge of self destruction.

 

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

2 coups with a singular mission have not succeeded to eradicate the popularity of his parties. They throw everything at him by intimidation, change the law and use the courts to harass and they still very likely to win the next election. Time for the military and the establishment to except the wishes of the people. 

 

Eric, IMHO they cannot win the next election because the fix is already in and the results are almost complete.

 

quote "Time for the military and the establishment to except the wishes of the people."

 

TIT. The wishes of the people of Thailand have been ignored by one side or the other for decades.

 

This government has NO interest in the people of Thailand, only in themselves.

 

Much as I disliked Thaksin he was far better on his worst days than this lot on their best.

 

 

 

Signed

 

Saul of Tarsus after the blinding flash of light.

4 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

No need. Miles ahead in the most recent polls. 

 

Another coup within 3 years is my bet, then countrywide fighting in 5. 

 

Well, I thought it would be a lot sooner than that but Thaksin didn't have the balls for it. I could easily see you being right though, this place is done and dusted for the forseable future. Checking my bank balances as we speak.

 

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Signed

 

Saul of Tarsus after the blinding flash of light. 

 

Welcome aboard shipmate.

 

 

15 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Thaksin has a very hard stance on party betrayers and unlikely to stop them leaving or counter offer more incentives. The best example was heavyweight politician Newin who tried to get back into Thaksin’s coalition in 2012 after his infamous backstabbing turnaround that got Ahbisit into power. He was rejected flat out and he even has to relinquish his leader  position in BJT and tried to appease Thaksin by appointing Anuthin who was a close friend of Thaksin. That also failed. Even with a depleted resources, latest poll showed PTP will still win. The poll also revealed Dem to lose seats to Future Forward Party. 

 

I hope that the so called Democrats do lose seats to Future Forward. Lots of them

11 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

The Dems will also lose seats to the party that Suthep is becoming an "advisor " to.

 

IMHO the Dems have had 4 years to change and reinvigorate the party and have carefully wasted all of it. They are on their way to becoming 3rd rate hasbeens grovelling for even a smell of the trough.

 

The next election will see them teetering on the edge of self destruction.

 

 

Eric, IMHO they cannot win the next election because the fix is already in and the results are almost complete.

 

quote "Time for the military and the establishment to except the wishes of the people."

 

TIT. The wishes of the people of Thailand have been ignored by one side or the other for decades.

 

This government has NO interest in the people of Thailand, only in themselves.

 

Much as I disliked Thaksin he was far better on his worst days than this lot on their best.

 

 

 

Signed

 

Saul of Tarsus after the blinding flash of light.

Glad you too see the light mate.

 

As to your prognosis of the Dem, the south contribute almost 70% of their votes back in 2011 when the party won 161 seats. With Suthep's party competing in his stronghold of Surat & Nakorn si-thammarat and even the surrounding provinces of Saturn & Trang which made up almost a total of 20% of the seats, the Dem Party faces a watershed moment and may end up as a 3rd tier party after FFP as you said. I would have thought the party will change the leadership but they are still sticking to Ahbisit. He will unlikely to work with PTP and more likely to work with the junta which is worrying. 

 

PTP will win the election if the sentiments on the ground are correct and I think they win but doesn't guarantee that they will form the government. So many computation and so many 'ifs'. The medium size parties will have a big say in who will be the government. Any impasse in the parliament to appoint the PM will result in the senate joining in and that will be the game changer. 

 

We all know about Thaksin's corrupt ways and there are always a threshold of tolerance by the electorate before he is voted out. Thais don't need a corrupt military to be the nanny of the people and there are no constitutional avenue to get them out. Moreover, the military seized power not due to Thaksin's corruption but to maintain status quo and dominance as they have done repeatedly in the past. 

10 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Glad you too see the light mate.

 

As to your prognosis of the Dem, the south contribute almost 70% of their votes back in 2011 when the party won 161 seats. With Suthep's party competing in his stronghold of Surat & Nakorn si-thammarat and even the surrounding provinces of Saturn & Trang which made up almost a total of 20% of the seats, the Dem Party faces a watershed moment and may end up as a 3rd tier party after FFP as you said. I would have thought the party will change the leadership but they are still sticking to Ahbisit. He will unlikely to work with PTP and more likely to work with the junta which is worrying. 

 

PTP will win the election if the sentiments on the ground are correct and I think they win but doesn't guarantee that they will form the government. So many computation and so many 'ifs'. The medium size parties will have a big say in who will be the government. Any impasse in the parliament to appoint the PM will result in the senate joining in and that will be the game changer. 

 

We all know about Thaksin's corrupt ways and there are always a threshold of tolerance by the electorate before he is voted out. Thais don't need a corrupt military to be the nanny of the people and there are no constitutional avenue to get them out. Moreover, the military seized power not due to Thaksin's corruption but to maintain status quo and dominance as they have done repeatedly in the past. 

Time for the military

 

12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Glad you too see the light mate.

 

As to your prognosis of the Dem, the south contribute almost 70% of their votes back in 2011 when the party won 161 seats. With Suthep's party competing in his stronghold of Surat & Nakorn si-thammarat and even the surrounding provinces of Saturn & Trang which made up almost a total of 20% of the seats, the Dem Party faces a watershed moment and may end up as a 3rd tier party after FFP as you said. I would have thought the party will change the leadership but they are still sticking to Ahbisit. He will unlikely to work with PTP and more likely to work with the junta which is worrying. 

 

PTP will win the election if the sentiments on the ground are correct and I think they win but doesn't guarantee that they will form the government. So many computation and so many 'ifs'. The medium size parties will have a big say in who will be the government. Any impasse in the parliament to appoint the PM will result in the senate joining in and that will be the game changer. 

 

We all know about Thaksin's corrupt ways and there are always a threshold of tolerance by the electorate before he is voted out. Thais don't need a corrupt military to be the nanny of the people and there are no constitutional avenue to get them out. Moreover, the military seized power not due to Thaksin's corruption but to maintain status quo and dominance as they have done repeatedly in the past. 

"Time for the military and the establishment to except the wishes of the people" That is the problem, they do  except the people, they don't accept them

57 minutes ago, lincolnshire poacher said:

I hope that the so called Democrats do lose seats to Future Forward. Lots of them

I am rooting for them to take seats from the Dem in Bangkok and also central region. Maybe even some South provinces with younger and educated new voters. With FFP and CTP and a big maybe BJT, there will be sufficient majority in Parliament to stop Prayut’s power ambition and save Thailand from military dominance. 

12 hours ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

Welcome aboard shipmate.

 

 

 

AARRRR Jim Lad.

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Glad you too see the light mate.

 

As to your prognosis of the Dem, the south contribute almost 70% of their votes back in 2011 when the party won 161 seats. With Suthep's party competing in his stronghold of Surat & Nakorn si-thammarat and even the surrounding provinces of Saturn & Trang which made up almost a total of 20% of the seats, the Dem Party faces a watershed moment and may end up as a 3rd tier party after FFP as you said. I would have thought the party will change the leadership but they are still sticking to Ahbisit. He will unlikely to work with PTP and more likely to work with the junta which is worrying. 

 

PTP will win the election if the sentiments on the ground are correct and I think they win but doesn't guarantee that they will form the government. So many computation and so many 'ifs'. The medium size parties will have a big say in who will be the government. Any impasse in the parliament to appoint the PM will result in the senate joining in and that will be the game changer. 

 

We all know about Thaksin's corrupt ways and there are always a threshold of tolerance by the electorate before he is voted out. Thais don't need a corrupt military to be the nanny of the people and there are no constitutional avenue to get them out. Moreover, the military seized power not due to Thaksin's corruption but to maintain status quo and dominance as they have done repeatedly in the past. 

 

I think that the PTP will win quite a large number of seats but even with the FFP it won't be enough to stop the current government as they only need 126 seats along with the 250 guaranteed seats in the senate to put Prayuth in as an outsider PM.

 

It is what they have been building up to in the last 4 years and they will try anything to get the PTP disbanded. The PTP are their worst nightmare. The FFP have never been in politics yet, the Dems will be in disarray in the south and will probably meekly acquiesce, and Suthep will deliver his mob to the government too.

 

Sadly as usual, the 65 to 70 million people who will be most affected, will be ignored after they have voted for their (possibly last) election for years. 

 

29 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I think that the PTP will win quite a large number of seats

Not talked about much is that the Prayut government/EC is looking to change the constituency system. None of the details have been made (from what I've seen) public. But I expect political advantage to anti-PTP political forces.

In the 2011 election PTP won more constituency seats compared (44:32) to the Democrats. The PTP won somewhat less compared (61:44) to the Democrats with proportional seats (ratios are percentages). If enough constituency seats could be gerrymandered (number of constituency seats is set by the constitution) to favor election of Democrat candidates for the next election, it will be more difficult for the PTP to achieve a coalition majority if the Democrats can just match PTP on constituency seats. Then the power play becomes the proportional seats for which Prayut appears to be now actively engaged to attract.

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5 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Not talked about much is that the Prayut government/EC is looking to change the constituency system. None of the details have been made (from what I've seen) public. But I expect political advantage to anti-PTP political forces.

In the 2011 election PTP won more constituency seats compared (44:32) to the Democrats. The PTP won somewhat less compared (61:44) to the Democrats with proportional seats (ratios are percentages). If enough constituency seats could be gerrymandered (number of constituency seats is set by the constitution) to favor election of Democrat candidates for the next election, it will be more difficult for the PTP to achieve a coalition majority if the Democrats can just match PTP on constituency seats. Then the power play becomes the proportional seats for which Prayut appears to be now actively engaged to attract.

Everyone is saying the PTP will win but when I ask them if they will have as many votes (not seats) as before nobody dares to say yes. Is it a win if you get less votes as in a previous election ?

 

Id like to see some people making some predictions and then we can write it down see who was right once the election is done. Personally i think the PTP will have LESS votes as in previous elections. I do think however they will be the biggest party. Not sure if that would constitute a win.