Put your cards on the table, EU makes last Brexit call to Britain

[The Renegade]

6 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

You should keep up with the UK news, before making an inane comment.  

 

10 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

What guy ? 

 

What criminal use ?

 

A tebee special. Waffle with nothing to back it up.

 

Stick to trying to rabble rousing for another Referendum for under 45's only.

Then you should have no issues with providing independent sources ??

 

Over to you.

[stephenterry]

6 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

 

Then you should have no issues with providing independent sources ??

 

Over to you.

You look it up. Here's a clue - Aaron Banks met Putin multiple times, and Vote Leave formally declared it had spent £6.77m during the campaign in the summer of 2016, well below the £7m limit. That figure, however, excluded £625,000 donated by Vote Leave to BeLeave which was spent on the same digital marketing company, AggregateIQ, that Vote Leave used.

 

The electoral commission is considering the allegations.

 

Edited July 11, 2018 by stephenterry
addition to text.

[stephenterry]

I am peed off by posters who would rather abuse/ridicule others comments and opinions rather than offer opinions themselves. That harrassment is called flaming, and is against TV forum rules. While I'm  a reasonable person who doesn't mind a bit of different viewpoints debate, I'm going to draw the line if my latest post 1112 is flamed. 

Edited July 11, 2018 by stephenterry
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[nauseus]

34 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

oh, you mean like Boris/ And that guy who met Putin 17 times, and the criminal use of excess referendum money to support and influence the leaver's vote. That sort of lies and cons?

Don't think that's what he means at all.

[The Renegade]

8 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

You look it up. Here's a clue - Aaron Banks met Putin multiple times, and Vote Leave formally declared it had spent £6.77m during the campaign in the summer of 2016, well below the £7m limit. That figure, however, excluded £625,000 donated by Vote Leave to BeLeave which was spent on the same digital marketing company, AggregateIQ, that Vote Leave used.

 

The electoral commission is considering the allegations.

 

So no independent source to verify your claim of:

 

35 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

And that guy who met Putin 17 times

The electoral Commission is considering the '' Allegation '' Which is totally different to:

 

36 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

and the criminal use of excess referendum money to support and influence the leaver's vote.

???

 

 

[stephenterry]

Just now, nauseus said:

Don't think that's what he means at all.

Wow. Really? C'mon, I know exactly where he's coming from.  

[stephenterry]

10 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

So no independent source to verify your claim of:

 

The electoral Commission is considering the '' Allegation '' Which is totally different to:

 

???

 

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/culture/news/95827/arron-banks-refuses-give-evidence-commons-fake-news-committee

Edited July 11, 2018 by stephenterry

[The Renegade]

1 minute ago, stephenterry said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41829107

I read that already thanks.

 

Now would you be so kind as to point out which part mentions

 

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and the criminal use of excess referendum money 

You will be aware, or should be aware, that the EC has already carried out 2 investigations and found nothing untoward.

 

An '' Allegation '' is not an admission of guilt.

[CG1 Blue]

16 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

I am peed off by posters who would rather abuse/ridicule others comments and opinions rather than offer opinions themselves. That harrassment is called flaming, and is against TV forum rules. While I'm  a reasonable person who doesn't mind a bit of different viewpoints debate, I'm going to draw the line if my latest post 1112 is flamed. 

If you're such a sensitive person Stephen, this probably isn't the forum for you to be honest

[stephenterry]

4 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

I read that already thanks.

 

Now would you be so kind as to point out which part mentions

 

You will be aware, or should be aware, that the EC has already carried out 2 investigations and found nothing untoward.

 

An '' Allegation '' is not an admission of guilt.

Legal speak, but the finances would indicate a crime had been committed. No doubt the establishment would rather this matter be dropped, for reasons I'm sure politicians would understand

[CG1 Blue]

25 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

You look it up. Here's a clue - Aaron Banks met Putin multiple times, and Vote Leave formally declared it had spent £6.77m during the campaign in the summer of 2016, well below the £7m limit. That figure, however, excluded £625,000 donated by Vote Leave to BeLeave which was spent on the same digital marketing company, AggregateIQ, that Vote Leave used.

 

The electoral commission is considering the allegations.

 

When you consider that the government spent £9m of taxpayers money on a leaflet drop supporting the Remain campaign, and that our Prime Minister recruited the President of the USA to feed us that famous "back of the queue" line, I think it's pointless you suggesting Leave were the ones not playing fair.

[Grouse]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well at least we don't sit in the same camp as racist and xenophobes. 

 

Like it or not - Brexit Leave attracted the racist and xenophobe vote. 

Hang on, I'm a bigot and an arrogant one to boot! Ask Vogie!

 

You see it's statistics again. There are Gaussian distributions but there are also outliers. I am a remainer certainly and I received a great education. But I'm old and dislike Muslims. 

[stephenterry]

5 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

If you're such a sensitive person Stephen, this probably isn't the forum for you to be honest

It's nothing to do with sensitivity - it's to do with continuing harassment, but thank you for your concern. Believe me, this topic is not a patch on the abuse generated between posters by the Koh Tao murders of two Brits. 

 

Anyway, I've got to grab a few hours sleep before the England game, so goodnight.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

Hang on, I'm a bigot and an arrogant one to boot! Ask Vogie!

 

You see it's statistics again. There are Gaussian distributions but there are also outliers. I am a remainer certainly and I received a great education. But I'm old and dislike Muslims. 

No need to ask me grouse, your record speaks for itself. ??

 

[Grouse]

6 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

When you consider that the government spent £9m of taxpayers money on a leaflet drop supporting the Remain campaign, and that our Prime Minister recruited the President of the USA to feed us that famous "back of the queue" line, I think it's pointless you suggesting Leave were the ones not playing fair.

It cost 50P per household. So what?

 

The government tried to explain the issues and gave their recommendation

 

They then gave you a referendum to see what you thought (obviously they had to make the question simple because of our dumbed down poorly educated underclass)

 

Good effort.

 

Now, after all that has been discussed, we should just remain.

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

All. We can make our own as necessary. 

That's just silliness. You know common standards make sense.

[stephenterry]

12 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

When you consider that the government spent £9m of taxpayers money on a leaflet drop supporting the Remain campaign, and that our Prime Minister recruited the President of the USA to feed us that famous "back of the queue" line, I think it's pointless you suggesting Leave were the ones not playing fair.

Whatever government was in power would have done the same to promote what they considered to be the best for the populace  - and in Britain's case, still is, BTW.

It wasn't part of the official remain campaign finances (as I understand it), which has to abide by the Electoral Commission rules. Leave campaign didn't abide by the rules.

 

I would also consider it's double standards, however, which is deplorable, BTW, and I'm sure politicians want to hide it under the carpet.

[aright]

7 minutes ago, Grouse said:

It cost 50P per household. So what?

 

The government tried to explain the issues and gave their recommendation

 

Exactly!

Mein Kampf was the same.

[nauseus]

34 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Wow. Really? C'mon, I know exactly where he's coming from.  

You know everything don't you?

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, Grouse said:

That's just silliness. You know common standards make sense.

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

All. We can make our own as necessary. 

What's nonsensical about non-standard standards?

[stephenterry]

Just now, nauseus said:

You know everything don't you?

Yeah, England will beat Croatia tonight, but no doubt a certain poster will demand proof.

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, Grouse said:

That's just silliness. You know common standards make sense.

And silly for you to say that! Common standards may be fine but the point is that the UK would have developed their own standards independent of (or even possibly conforming to) CE if we had been independent of the EU all the time.  

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, stephenterry said:

Yeah, England will beat Croatia tonight, but no doubt a certain poster will demand proof.

Well, in that case I hope you will be right for a change.

[kwilco]

4 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Is that 6 percent by revenue or just by separate incorporation? I think the answer to that is pretty clear. Most business registered in the UK are very small and local. So of course they don't do business abroad. But in terms of revenue it seems highly likely that the numbers are quite different.. And it's really no different from the situation in the USA where most businesses are small and unlikely to engage interstate trade. Still, they have to abide by Federal law. Otherwise regulation would be a nightmare.

 

It just made up total untruth. Typical Brexiteers b/s....how daft can you be.

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Could it be that the UK average wage has been dragged down by migration into the country from lower paid eastern European nationals?

Also, the first table I got from Google paints a different picture, with Bulgaria at just €586 per month, and with 12 countries having less than €1000 take home pay per month:

 

https://www.reinisfischer.com/average-salary-european-union-2018

 

 

 

PPP? How much is Bigmac in Denmark and Bulgaria?

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/274326/big-mac-index-global-prices-for-a-big-mac/#0

Edited July 11, 2018 by Grouse

[kwilco]

5 hours ago, JAG said:

Somehow I think I can live without your respect.

 

You do seem to have a most peculiar predictive text program, I have never come across one which manages to mangle both spelling and punctuation in the way yours seems to. Never mind...

Ask Theo or thaivisa

[JAG]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

And what do you think Tony Benn would think of his son Hilary stance on us remaining in the EU. But you made some good points never the less.

Tony Benn would accept his sons point of view, would argue passionately yet politely against it, and would not hold his son's views against him.

He was a man whose politics I could rarely support, (other than in this particular field, where he was absolutely right) but one whom I respected nonetheless. Peter Shaw was another such.

 

That is perhaps the problem with this debate over Brexit - the politics of the matter have been personalised to the extent that personal dislikes have taken preference over wider debate, both on TVF and in the wider world.

Edited July 11, 2018 by JAG

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, aright said:

 

Cost of living index also has to be considered. From my experience Teebee and you would know better than anyone a joint of beef in France or a chicken is much more expensive than the UK.

Luxembourg COLI  is 86.44, UK is 67.18 and Bulgaria 37.83.

https://imp.ulpgc.es/wp-content/uploads/coste-de-vida-outgoing_en.pdf

[JAG]

9 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Ask Theo or thaivisa

As " you aren't and consequently are of no significance to me....I can no more respect anything, you say than a flatearther..

As you don't command any respect, " is an example of your "predicted text" generated errors; I doubt if Thai Visa or Theo (whoever he is) would wish to be associated with, or explain your posts.

[Rimmer]

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