2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Does this make any sense to anyone else except Stephen? 

It makes perfect sense to me.

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

Then why is their a growing hostility to the E.U. In other parts of Europe?

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2 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

No it doesn't.

 

MPs may be selected by the party but their first duty is to their constituents and not to themselves or their party. Otherwise at the next election they can be kicked out.

 

My MP is a Remainer but the constituency voted to leave.

MPs first duty is to vote for what they themselves believe is in the best interest of their constituents and their  country

 

How many more times must I state this fact?

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

In 1975 we did not have the benefits of social media etc., 

Now we do,and the majority of people are far more aware of how the establishment along with the media has basically lied and conned us. Thus they democratically voted OUT.

 

Yes but most Brexiters wear tattoos not ties; particularly the females ?

50 minutes ago, aright said:

Exactly!

Mein Kampf was the same.

Did National Socialists deliver it in pamphlet form to every household?

51 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

What's nonsensical about non-standard standards?

They are sub-standard

51 minutes ago, nauseus said:

And silly for you to say that! Common standards may be fine but the point is that the UK would have developed their own standards independent of (or even possibly conforming to) CE if we had been independent of the EU all the time.  

Have you ever been in manufacturing? You would prefer separate production runs for each export market? ?

A Prime Minister who obtains the blessing of Chancellor Angela Merkeland the EU to negotiate against her own cabinet ministers and elected members, and who courts the votes of Labour and even SNP MPs to get her agreement into law, is no longer worthy of office.

The only chance to prevent this catastrophe becoming another Suez is, like in 1940, to change Prime Minister – for in doing so a lesson will be learned that the British people are not to be so betrayed for the worthless cause of party unity.

 

http://www.cityam.com/289062/number-10-downing-street-no-place-brexit-betrayer

19 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Did National Socialists deliver it in pamphlet form to every household?

Of course not! Hitler would have been accused of spending £10 million of tax payers money on a biased , hysterical document to scare people and stampede them in one direction toward the second World War.  

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Did National Socialists deliver it in pamphlet form to every household?

I believe that every household was expected to have a copy, not having one was perhaps a foolish omission.

Certainly every newly wed couple was presented with one as a wedding present by the state!

 

Both could perhaps be regarded as a government publication whose relevance was overtaken by events.

 

If we really stretch the metaphor, always entertaining, one might observe that both authors came fatally (politically) unstuck. Mind you Mr Cameron's successor has lasted rather longer than Grand Admiral Doenitz!?

7 hours ago, aright said:

 

Cost of living index also has to be considered. From my experience Teebee and you would know better than anyone a joint of beef in France or a chicken is much more expensive than the UK.

Luxembourg COLI  is 86.44, UK is 67.18 and Bulgaria 37.83.

Yes, I used the PPP figures from this page ( rounded to the nearest 50) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

Have you ever been in manufacturing? You would prefer separate production runs for each export market? ?

Not what I said. By the way, the only thing I've ever made is a lot of noise and big bangs!

Let not forget the cards that the UK is holding ....

 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/revealed-plans-for-doomsday-no-deal-brexit-02mld2jg2

 

"In the second scenario, not even the worst, the port of Dover will collapse on day one. The supermarkets in Cornwall and Scotland will run out of food within a couple of days, and hospitals will run out of medicines within two weeks.”

12 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Could it be that the UK average wage has been dragged down by migration into the country from lower paid eastern European nationals?

Also, the first table I got from Google paints a different picture, with Bulgaria at just €586 per month, and with 12 countries having less than €1000 take home pay per month:

 

https://www.reinisfischer.com/average-salary-european-union-2018

 

 

 

But only in UK? That makes sense......Not

Of interest to British geriatrics...from the FT.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/44304c7e-8461-11e8-96dd-fa565ec55929 cathedral

 

Still waiting for something, good about Brexit....

 

Nobody with anything near half a brain supports Brexiteers.

They should just look at thethe company they keep.

 

 

https://amp.ft.com/content/af41135c-8436-11e8-96dd-fa565ec55929?__twitter_impression=true

 

 

So now it doesn't matter if Brexit is a really bad idea - we have to do it anyway ?

 

 

This seems a really bad argument to me - people were told Brexit had a considerable up side - now even if we were lied to when we made the decision, we are not allowed to change our minds ? 

 

Trying to persuade people that we shouldn't go through with it isn't what's going to damage our democracy -   the attempt to close down debate -  coupled with the inevitable shock when people discover Brexit isn’t what they were sold - will do far more damage to our politics than anything else we do from here on in.

P.Patel is completely off the radar on this. Brexit is just not a 'bad idea' but a bleeding catastrophe about to happen to the British public. 

12 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Yeah, England will beat Croatia tonight, but no doubt a certain poster will demand proof.

Nah

 

Wrong again.

 

I do not need proof. It is all over the news.

1 hour ago, tebee said:

the attempt to close down debate

Brilliant satire coming from a remainer ??

 

You do understand the reason that she is called Priti ( Vacant ) Patel ?

 

1 hour ago, tebee said:

This seems a really bad argument to me

Of course it does, you are a remainer, anything to do with leaving the EU is a bad idea to remainers.

 

MP's and Governments are elected to represent the people. They are not elected to carry out the wishes of Business or EU Institutions.

10 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Brilliant satire coming from a remainer ??

 

You do understand the reason that she is called Priti ( Vacant ) Patel ?

 

Of course it does, you are a remainer, anything to do with leaving the EU is a bad idea to remainers.

 

MP's and Governments are elected to represent the people. They are not elected to carry out the wishes of Business or EU Institutions.

Nor, apparently, the people when they change their minds.

11 hours ago, aright said:

Of course not! Hitler would have been accused of spending £10 million of tax payers money on a biased , hysterical document to scare people and stampede them in one direction toward the second World War.  

Oh it’s £10 million now is it.

 

It’ll be £350million before long.

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh it’s £10 million now is it.

 

It’ll be £350million before long.

per week

October 2016: “There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.”

 

July 2018: the govt is putting in place “sensible measures” to prevent food riots.

 

April 2019: Rats are vermin, and a good source of protein.

8 minutes ago, tebee said:

October 2016: “There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.”

 

July 2018: the govt is putting in place “sensible measures” to prevent food riots.

 

April 2019: Rats are vermin, and a good source of protein.

Did you manage to write that all by yourself ?

 

Or did you steal it from some unidentified sources ? 

 

Your brilliance is a sight to behold ??

5 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Did you manage to write that all by yourself ?

 

Or did you steal it from some unidentified sources ? 

 

Your brilliance is a sight to behold ??

yes, well unfortunately if you identify stuff as quotes on here, the mods have a habit of deleting it  as a copyright violation. So I've given up on doing it.

 

Some things are entirely my own work and thoughts 

 

Others,  inspired by what others have said. 

 

still more, others thoughts in my words

 

sometimes I mix other people's words and my own.

 

and some are direct quotes.

 

You'll have to work out which is which yourself.

 

Does it really matter ? Many are from Twitter which is fairly ephemeral thing anyway and is designed to be recopied. 

 

If you are really anal about finding the source Google it .... 

 

 

21 minutes ago, tebee said:

yes, well unfortunately if you identify stuff as quotes on here, the mods have a habit of deleting it  as a copyright violation. So I've given up on doing it.

Only appears to happen to you tebee.

 

Might be time to come to the conclusion that what you consider to be sources are actually sources of '' Fake news '' and that is why they keep getting deleted.

 

 

4 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Only appears to happen to you tebee.

 

Might be time to come to the conclusion that what you consider to be sources are actually sources of '' Fake news '' and that is why they keep getting getting deleted.

 

 

Did the date of 'April 2019' not give you a clue that the post may be veering towards dry humour rather than actual fact?

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Put your cards on the table, EU makes last Brexit call to Britain

It appears that May is very quickly running out of cards

 

Quote

Theresa May faces a rebellion by dozens of her own MPs on Monday in a Commons vote that they hope will deliver a blow to her Chequers plan for Brexit.

 

Jacob Rees-Mogg, who leads the European Research Group of Brexiteer Tory MPs, is tabling amendments to a bill that would challenge the plan.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/may-faces-rebellion-from-two-sides-after-brexit-compromise-rlrbj7qv2

 

In a further damning piece

 

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Hardline Tory Brexiters plan to try to force Theresa May to publish a rival draft of the white paper drawn up by David Davis in the run-up to last week’s Chequers summit, which Downing Street ditched.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/11/brexiters-bid-to-force-release-of-david-davis-rival-white-paper

 

If the claims made in the Guardian article are true, I would suggest that it is time for Taxi for May.

28 minutes ago, tebee said:

October 2016: “There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.”

 

July 2018: the govt is putting in place “sensible measures” to prevent food riots.

 

April 2019: Rats are vermin, and a good source of protein.

The July 2018 headline is most worrying. As at now the government is stocking up on (unhealthy) processed foods, in the event of a 'no-deal' resulting in a blockade of vehicles stranded at British ports.

 

The EU is responsible for 97% of the £22 billion worth of processed food and drinks imported to the UK, a sector which employees around 400,000 British workers, the newspaper reports. 

 

http://www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/94957/brexit-government-to-stockpile-processed-food-in-case-of-no-deal

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Did the date of 'April 2019' not give you a clue that the post may be veering towards dry humour rather than actual fact?

Did this not give you a clue ?

 

16 minutes ago, tebee said:

yes, well unfortunately if you identify stuff as quotes on here, the mods have a habit of deleting it  as a copyright violation. So I've given up on doing it.

To which I replied

 

12 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Only appears to happen to you tebee.

 

Might be time to come to the conclusion that what you consider to be sources are actually sources of '' Fake news '' and that is why they keep getting getting deleted.

 

If you have a better reason why the poster is claiming that his sources keep getting deleted, I am all ears and open to suggestions.