Popular Post HHTel Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Mattd said: I have no doubts the British rescue team will gain a lot of work out of this, now news of their fantastic achievement has gone worldwide. It`s going to be; we need a rescue team, who we gonna call? That quote is from CyberFarang not Mattd - software shortfall! You think they want more work like this? It's not their job. They just happen to be world experts and willing to give up their time to help in rescues like this. They don't need the recognition having already been involved in other rescues around the world. One of them already has an MBE in recognition of his efforts. If you take notice of what the British Cave Rescue Council said. They won't even give the names of volunteers in order that they're not distracted from the job in hand. They would be quite happy if the need never arises again so they can keep cave-diving as their hobby. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Odysseus123 Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 Nobody rescues peoples for medals and baubles.They do so because they are either on the spot or because they come in preparing to use their recognized expertise. This expertise is usually freely given in the cause of humanity. They did well here-job well done. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, janclaes47 said: You have any link to that claim? Quote Tourism Minister Weerasak Kowsurat said he had invited the team to Thailand to help find the missing youths and that the three had surveyed the Tham Luang cave even before. Thai Airways International sponsored the travel of the experienced underwater cave rescuers, who boarded a flight out of London on Tuesday night. Chiang Rai Governor Narongsak Osottanakorn said: “We have already talked to them online about the nature of the challenges.” http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30348777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 16 hours ago, Lamkyong said: i feel sure the Thai government will respond favourably later hopfully the cop who tried to throw a spanner in the works ie permits for drilling/drones etc will not be on the inevitable commitee Another cop who should be appointed to an inactive post. Jobsworth with no common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bprinceuk Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 17 hours ago, CGW said: Why does there need to be so many "hero's" these days, they did a great job, a job they have trained long and hard for no doubt, it must also be a job they enjoy doing, I'm sure the satisfaction of finding the kids was a fantastic feeling, but are they "hero's"? don't forget they had a huge team backing them up, what are they "junior backup hero's' Job well done guys! ? For one it is not their job, but a hobby. Cave diving is one of the most dangerous forms of diving, often zero visibility and dangerous obstacles to navigate around. In my eyes anyone who risks their life in an attempt to save another life is a Hero. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badrabbit Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Anyone know if a decision has been made on the extraction method yet?Sent from my SM-G610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 16 hours ago, ratcatcher said: I am aware that you are attempting to be facetious, but do you really think under the circumstances the powers that be would insist on work permits for highly trained cave divers when every minute counts to save lives.. No, I didn't think you did. It did however happen 14 years ago when the tsunami hit, much to Thailand's sham e and embarrassment. Perhaps Thailand has moved on and matured a wee bit? Not much hope of that ever happening with the officials Thailand usually have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 2 hours ago, HooHaa said: Im not suprised some asshat with an axe to grind trotted out this tired old saw. Maybe so, but it was the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 2 hours ago, canuckamuck said: Quite a few Brits here want everyone to know they won the cave diving. The people who "won" was everybody who took part in the rescue operations, and I'm sure the two Brits, or was it three? would agree with that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 16 hours ago, Badrabbit said: I'm surprised they haven't been arrested for working without a work permit such is Thailand!! Sent from my SM-G610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app They are to be treated as the Kings guests, at his personal request, such is Thailand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post johnray Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 They need the cave visa. Must go to immigration to proove you are working at the cave on the day you should be actualy working at the cave + 8 photos. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, johnray said: They need the cave visa. Must go to immigration to proove you are working at the cave on the day you should be actualy working at the cave + 8 photos. and the address they are staying at, they must have been staying somewhere between shifts. Hope the person who is responsible for that address has reported it to the authorities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, bprinceuk said: For one it is not their job, but a hobby. Cave diving is one of the most dangerous forms of diving, often zero visibility and dangerous obstacles to navigate around. In my eyes anyone who risks their life in an attempt to save another life is a Hero. Believe me, in no way am I trying to take away from the fact they did a great job & enjoyed their hobby at the same time. Did they risk their lives? I would say no, in a hobby like theirs, same as with any high risk occupation there are strict guidelines you have to stay within to stay alive, if they were taking heroic risks then there odds on continuing their hobby would be pretty remote possibility, again it was a great team effort & kudos to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badrabbit Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Believe me, in no way am I trying to take away from the fact they did a great job & enjoyed their hobby at the same time. Did they risk their lives? I would say no, in a hobby like theirs, same as with any high risk occupation there are strict guidelines you have to stay within to stay alive, if they were taking heroic risks then there odds on continuing their hobby would be pretty remote possibility, again it was a great team effort & kudos to them. Crazy, of course they risked there lives, cave diving is a big risk 100% of the time, one mistake and you are gone!!Sent from my SM-G610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, possum1931 said: and the address they are staying at, they must have been staying somewhere between shifts. Hope the person who is responsible for that address has reported it to the authorities. It seems to be getting more common on Thaivisa now that when you give a confused or sad emotican, you get it returned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jayboy Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, CGW said: Believe me, in no way am I trying to take away from the fact they did a great job & enjoyed their hobby at the same time. Did they risk their lives? I would say no, in a hobby like theirs, same as with any high risk occupation there are strict guidelines you have to stay within to stay alive, if they were taking heroic risks then there odds on continuing their hobby would be pretty remote possibility, again it was a great team effort & kudos to them. Serious flawed logic here compounded by irrational speculation.He probably doesn't have the self awareness to understand why his post is so unpleasant. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, CGW said: Believe me, in no way am I trying to take away from the fact they did a great job & enjoyed their hobby at the same time. Did they risk their lives? I would say no, in a hobby like theirs, same as with any high risk occupation there are strict guidelines you have to stay within to stay alive, if they were taking heroic risks then there odds on continuing their hobby would be pretty remote possibility, again it was a great team effort & kudos to them. Of course they risked their lives. Hobby?..hobby..? They are the best in the business-Thomas the Tank Engine it is not.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smutcakes Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, CGW said: Believe me, in no way am I trying to take away from the fact they did a great job & enjoyed their hobby at the same time. Did they risk their lives? I would say no, in a hobby like theirs, same as with any high risk occupation there are strict guidelines you have to stay within to stay alive, if they were taking heroic risks then there odds on continuing their hobby would be pretty remote possibility, again it was a great team effort & kudos to them. They are the world leaders in it, they push the boundaries and if there were guidelines they would have been written by people like this. Going blind into a cave system seemingly unexplored in flood conditions is not a risk to their lives????....... Your post is one of the most misinformed i have ever read on Thai visa and that is saying something. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPhibes Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 9 hours ago, cyberfarang said: So far the team have had all their expenses paid and have been made visa and work permit exempt, including having the honour of being made personal guests by the King, probably the highest honour any foreigners could be bestowed in Thailand. I have no doubts the British rescue team will gain a lot of work out of this, now news of their fantastic achievement has gone worldwide. It`s going to be; we need a rescue team, who we gonna call? I`m sure these guys will go down in history and always remembered as the British team who performed a miracle in Thailand, and that alone is worth it`s weight in gold. They need a team name, hmm...something sunder, something like thunder, fly to rescue, Thunderbirds!, Thunderbirds Are Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 You all seem to have more need of "heroes" in your lives than I do. My "hero" is still the "Lollipop Lady" (pedestrian crossing attendant) who jumped out in front of traffic everyday, constantly putting her life at risk, yet never rewarded! My OP was about "why so many heroes these days? now we have the TVF keyboard warrior "heroes" jumping on the bandwagon to pour scorn on someones views as they don't match their own. Have a nice day ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Will never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 minute ago, DrPhibes said: They need a team name, hmm...something sunder, something like thunder, fly to rescue, Thunderbirds!, Thunderbirds Are Go! Sure..in 1967 it was big laugh.. Otherwise they are doing an extremely dangerous job.. You do realize what the concept of "dangerous job" is.don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrunner Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Make that a "room temperature" beer, thank you. Brits don't go for "Ice cold" beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, possum1931 said: 17 hours ago, Lamkyong said: i feel sure the Thai government will respond favourably later hopfully the cop who tried to throw a spanner in the works ie permits for drilling/drones etc will not be on the inevitable commitee Another cop who should be appointed to an inactive post. Jobsworth with no common sense Meanwhile, there's mention in another post of unqualified "helpers" pumping water back INTO the cave. There's a reason for requiring permits. Another good one is to prevent unqualified drone hobbyists from crashing into the professionally operated drones, and the into general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, CGW said: You all seem to have more need of "heroes" in your lives than I do. My "hero" is still the "Lollipop Lady" (pedestrian crossing attendant) who jumped out in front of traffic everyday, constantly putting her life at risk, yet never rewarded! My OP was about "why so many heroes these days? now we have the TVF keyboard warrior "heroes" jumping on the bandwagon to pour scorn on someones views as they don't match their own. Have a nice day ? Sure...you too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 They are doing there job, I wouldn't expect any reward and I doubt they do!Sent from my SM-G610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile appAlthough its not their job, its their hobby and putting their life at risk to save others 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 19 hours ago, Badrabbit said: They are doing there job, I wouldn't expect any reward and I doubt they do! Sent from my SM-G610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app There deflecting it already. Thainess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mansell Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 I have dived in the sea at night in February in Portsmouth Harbour with a current winding the two of us round in circles with no lights, couldn't see my hand in front of my face.....why? I was in the RN, and I didn't enjoy it. These guys were dealing with much worse conditions than I experienced, though it wasn't cold water for them. But extremely narrow passageways where they had to remove their air bottles to get through, muddy water and totally black, and a very strong flow of water pushing against them, not knowing what the next bend would bring, not knowing if they would suddenly be bumping into bodies.....not pleasant underwater. The few things these guys had going for them, they had supposedly been in this cave system some years ago,, but I doubt in the monsoon season, and they are both consummate professionals, though amateurs. People posting on here like it was just another day in the park for the divers are very ignorant, and saying it is no great shakes for them to do.....it's their jobs. Old English word...nincompoops all. This was extremely dangerous for all the divers involved......Navy Seals are not trained diving in caves, and especially in a flooding situation. I doubt there is anything comparable to these caves in Britain, and probably Europe. In my book these guys are the names right below the title heroes. They come in do the job, and then go home......no muss, no fuss. That is a hero. Well done lads. Job done, lives saved. Now let's win the World Cup.......again! 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said: Sure..in 1967 it was big laugh.. Otherwise they are doing an extremely dangerous job.. You do realize what the concept of "dangerous job" is.don't you? Thunderbirds made a TV comeback in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, HHTel said: Thunderbirds made a TV comeback in 2015. Splendid! IQ 00! What better way to view the world! 2015..you don't say.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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