I devoutly hope the parents' words have helped lift Ake's spirits at least a little. Not only has he been listed as having weakened the most of all but his face is full of deep misery and shame. Officials have expressed fear he might even be suicidal. May he overcome this. He needs better spirits if he is to survive the extraction.


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7 hours ago, steve73 said:

Why use written letters?  Surely a video message from each recorded on one of the camera's they have down there would be much better... Unless they (the authorities) are thinking the worst...

steve73, I think that hand written messages to their parents is a lot more personal than doing any video. The letters can be kept for eternity whereas unless they can record and save each individual video message and copy it for the families to play in the privacy of their homes if they have a video player to play it on. Many Isaan people do not have video players. My wife's family do not and they do not want one.

2 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I devoutly hope the parents' words have helped lift Ake's spirits at least a little. Not only has he been listed as having weakened the most of all but his face is full of deep misery and shame. Officials have expressed fear he might even be suicidal. May he overcome this. He needs better spirits if he is to survive the extraction.


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Sheryl - I fully share your concern - and it is heart-breaking ...

2 minutes ago, Eligius said:

5 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I devoutly hope the parents' words have helped lift Ake's spirits at least a little. Not only has he been listed as having weakened the most of all but his face is full of deep misery and shame. Officials have expressed fear he might even be suicidal. May he overcome this. He needs better spirits if he is to survive the extraction.


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Sheryl - I fully share your concern - and it is heart-breaking ...

 

 

i give him credit for admitting a mistake and being accountable.  he should be the role model for all of society.

 

he will enroll in monk university 101 and all will be forgiven and forgotten, fast.

Not one of them thinking about themselves. Hope they all come out safe and sound.

30 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

 

i give him credit for admitting a mistake and being accountable.  he should be the role model for all of society.

 

he will enroll in monk university 101 and all will be forgiven and forgotten, fast.

Here is some new information regarding the coach...

 

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/teammates-didnt-ill-fated-hike-thailand-cave-dont-171004386--abc-news-topstories.html

Aww! so sweet and touching words.

5 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I devoutly hope the parents' words have helped lift Ake's spirits at least a little. Not only has he been listed as having weakened the most of all but his face is full of deep misery and shame. Officials have expressed fear he might even be suicidal. May he overcome this. He needs better spirits if he is to survive the extraction.


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YES well said.

actually this remind me of posters who start a post with:

"if this were xxxx ...."

 

well, if this were <those countries> those parents would be sharpening the knives, preparing massive lawsuits and wishing this  coach to be hanging from a tree.

 

But these boys parents show understanding, empathy, and actually dont even need to forgive since they never really attack him with blame anyway.

 

incredible, some could have a lesson to learn from this but instead we will see people from <those countries> come out with stuff like:

 " oh, but they are simple society conditioned to a hierachy and must kow-tow to their superiors"

 

so sad.

so much i read here over the past few days  

make me realise why i avoid foriegners here. 

 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, tingtongtourist said:

YES well said.

actually this remind me of posters who start a post with:

"if this were xxxx ...."

 

well, if this were <those countries> those parents would be sharpening the knives, preparing massive lawsuits and wishing this  coach to be hanging from a tree.

 

But these boys parents show understanding, empathy, and actually dont even need to forgive since they never really attack him with blame anyway.

 

incredible, some could have a lesson to learn from this but instead we will see people from <those countries> come out with stuff like:

 " oh, but they are simple society conditioned to a hierachy and must kow-tow to their superiors"

 

so sad.

so much i read here over the past few days  

make me realise why i avoid foriegners here. 

 

 

 

 

I understand your sentiments and very much agree with you about the empathetic and supportive parents (regarding Khun Ek).

 

On the 'foreigners' point, I would say: there are good and bad in every culture and every country.

Edited July 7, 20188 yr by Eligius

 
 
i give him credit for admitting a mistake and being accountable.  he should be the role model for all of society.
 
he will enroll in monk university 101 and all will be forgiven and forgotten, fast.

I very, very much doubt he will ever forget.

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12 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

58 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 
 
i give him credit for admitting a mistake and being accountable.  he should be the role model for all of society.
 
he will enroll in monk university 101 and all will be forgiven and forgotten, fast.

I very, very much doubt he will ever forget.

 

 

agree although society at large forgets

2 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

an analogy if i may, a boat captain that sees the adverse weather, pending storm yet decides to start the voyage as to not let down all the passengers wanting to have fun snorkeling 

 

Speaking as a ship captain, I'd say that is a poor analogy. This is more akin to a rogue wave or unforeseen hazard to be dealt with. Doesn't mean you're not ultimately responsible to ensure a good outcome but it does mean the situation was not born of negligence.

Edited July 7, 20188 yr by lannarebirth

Yep, this is the reaction from the parents that I was waiting for, and hoped they would stand behind the coach for taking care of their children.

Another right, so now all that blamed the coach and said it was his fault can put a sock in it too.

12 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

Speaking as a ship captain, I'd say that is a poor analogy. This is more akin to a rogue wave or unforseen hazard to be dealt with. Doesn't mean you're not ultimately responsible to ensure a good outcome but it does mean the situation was not borne of negligence. 

Shhh, you're not meant to be talking sense here.

50 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

3 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

an analogy if i may, a boat captain that sees the adverse weather, pending storm yet decides to start the voyage as to not let down all the passengers wanting to have fun snorkeling 

 

Speaking as a ship captain, I'd say that is a poor analogy. This is more akin to a rogue wave or unforeseen hazard to be dealt with. Doesn't mean you're not ultimately responsible to ensure a good outcome but it does mean the situation was not born of negligence.

 

"Somjing Boontham, 50, the captain of the Phoenix, has been charged with reckless conduct causing deaths and injuries, and reckless conduct causing physical and mental harm to others"

 

 

reportedly other boats heeded the marine warnings posted and did not leave port.

 

that is just my take on it as a non ship captain

 

7 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

"Somjing Boontham, 50, the captain of the Phoenix, has been charged with reckless conduct causing deaths and injuries, and reckless conduct causing physical and mental harm to others"

 

 

reportedly other boats heeded the marine warnings posted and did not leave port.

 

that is just my take on it as a non ship captain

 

 

Yes?  I was speaking of the coach ( your inappropriate analogy tied him to the boat captain). I am unconcerned what happens to the boat captain.

7 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

Yes?  I was speaking of the coach ( your inappropriate analogy tied him to the boat captain). I am unconcerned what happens to the boat captain.

That's what I thought. Now I think he has perhaps just posted in the wrong thread by mistake.

29 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

38 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

"Somjing Boontham, 50, the captain of the Phoenix, has been charged with reckless conduct causing deaths and injuries, and reckless conduct causing physical and mental harm to others"

 

 

reportedly other boats heeded the marine warnings posted and did not leave port.

 

that is just my take on it as a non ship captain

 

 

Yes?  I was speaking of the coach ( your inappropriate analogy tied him to the boat captain). I am unconcerned what happens to the boat captain.

 

if the coach made the decision to take the team into the cave despite the clear warning about danger and flooding and the boat captain decided to leave port with passengers despite the marine warning then why is it an inappropriate analogy?  they both put others lives at risk.

Edited July 7, 20188 yr by atyclb

A good idea for the future can be to avoid doing something as stupid as going deep in a flooded cave...

What are parents teaching in this country ? Nothing because they also know nothing ?!

Poor kids to be born in such idiot families.

Which them the best !

 

 

8 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

if the coach made the decision to take the team into the cave despite the clear warning about danger and flooding and the boat captain decided to leave port with passengers despite the marine warning then why is it an inappropriate analogy?  they both put others lives at risk.

 

They all are the same...

 

 

13 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

if the coach made the decision to take the team into the cave despite the clear warning about danger and flooding and the boat captain decided to leave port with passengers despite the marine warning then why is it an inappropriate analogy?  they both put others lives at risk.

 

Your information is incorrect with respect to what warnings and dangers the coach knew of. This is the last I will comment on this as it is such a trivial matter and a distraction given the magnitude of what else is transpiring at this time.

made in thailand , all this boy are really cute  and they not worry for themselves

 

i have 2 boy here in thai and i really feel cry when i read all the letter

 

 hope they will get better soon

5 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Here is some new information regarding the coach...

 

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/teammates-didnt-ill-fated-hike-thailand-cave-dont-171004386--abc-news-topstories.html

 

Thanks for that.

 

I couldn't help but think how often this sort of "explanation" from it has cropped up in other commentaries:

 

"The boys, clad in their khaki school uniforms, told ABC News' Matt Gutman in an interview Friday that venturing into the cave is something of a local rite of passage"

 

That's not like "Hazing"......is it?

 

 

5 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

if the coach made the decision to take the team into the cave despite the clear warning about danger and flooding and the boat captain decided to leave port with passengers despite the marine warning then why is it an inappropriate analogy?  they both put others lives at risk.

No evidence that he did make the decision. It's been mentioned already that the kids knew the caves very well, and I'm sure that at around age 13 they're generally free to run around with their mates unsupervised... it's quite likely they've been to the caves by themselves before on previous occasions. What the coaches input was in the decision to go isn't clear, maybe he thought if they were going to do it anyway he'd go along and keep an eye on them. Far too vague to draw conclusions, and it seems highly mean spirited to point the finger. In any case, the only judge and jury of any significance in the matter is the parents of the kids, and they've already said their piece. 

Edited July 7, 20188 yr by lamyai3

4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Your information is incorrect with respect to what warnings and dangers the coach knew of. This is the last I will comment on this as it is such a trivial matter and a distraction given the magnitude of what else is transpiring at this time.

Agree. He most likely had no idea at all there was a chance of this happening. If it was a common occurrence for people to be trapped in these caves in the same way it would presumably have been well known in the local community, and on a national level I never remember a news story like this. 

 

Totally different to a boat captain who takes an overloaded vessel out in dangerous conditions for profit. The risks of this are extremely well established, the last major incident in the news was merely three days ago in Indonesia, causing a similar number of deaths. 

Does anyone have a pic of the sign at the entrance of the cave?

Has anyone seen this. If true it adds a new dimension to the whole thing and makes more sense.

9 hours ago, jcore said:

Let them hang on to one of these, they'd be out in 1 hour. ...

You ever crawl through a tight space in a cave, even if it isn't up and down and under water with near zero visibility?  And I doubt those propeller things work real well on most of the sections that are above water.  This is not some ideal underwater river in a place where the space is huge and the water is crystal clear.  Ask your Proctologist about sending a camera up from your backside to where your intestines join your stomach. 

2 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

been well known in the local community,

 

major international news network interviewed classmates and community members and they are taugh growing up that it is a big no no during rainy season to enter the cave.

 

"The Tham Luang Nang Non caves are known locally as off-limits, a dangerous place where parents warn their children not to go into, especially during monsoon season."  

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/05/asia/thailand-cave-town-intl/index.html

Edited July 8, 20188 yr by atyclb

55 minutes ago, Damrongsak said:

You ever crawl through a tight space in a cave, even if it isn't up and down and under water with near zero visibility?  And I doubt those propeller things work real well on most of the sections that are above water.  This is not some ideal underwater river in a place where the space is huge and the water is crystal clear.  Ask your Proctologist about sending a camera up from your backside to where your intestines join your stomach. 

 

a long flexible tube with a camera and light at one end is used.