Judge rejects Trump request for long-term detention of immigrant children

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Judge rejects Trump request for long-term detention of immigrant children

By Andrew Hay

 

A woman holds a sign as she takes part in a protest against U.S. President Donald Trump administration's immigration policies at Paso del Norte international border crossing bridge in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, June 30, 2018. REUTERS/Jose Luis Gonzalez/Files

 

(Reuters) - A U.S. federal judge on Monday rejected the Trump administration's request to allow long-term detention of illegal immigrant children, a setback for President Donald Trump's executive order to end the separation of immigrant families.

 

Los Angeles U.S. District Court Judge Dolly Gee dismissed as "dubious" and "unconvincing" the U.S. Justice Department's arguments to modify a 1997 settlement that says children can only be held in immigration detention for up to 20 days.

 

The government made the request in June to allow it to keep underage migrants in detention alongside parents, after a public outcry over its policy of separating children from parents who entered the United States illegally.

 

"It is apparent that the Defendants' Application is a cynical attempt to shift responsibility to the Judiciary for over 20 years of Congressional inaction and ill-considered Executive action that have led to the current stalemate," Gee, the daughter of Chinese immigrants, said in her ruling.

 

The government asked Gee to suspend the Flores settlement's requirement that immigrant children be held only in facilities that meet state child welfare licensing regulations, so as to allow whole families to be detained together.

 

Gee, who was appointed to the bench by President Barack Obama, said the government had known for years that there was "no state licensing readily available for facilities that house both adults and children."

 

(Reporting by Eric Walsh; Writing by Andrew Hay; Editing by Leslie Adler)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-07-10

 

[Chomper Higgot]

A court has to tell the Federal Government it can’t enact the long-term detention of children.

 

USA today!

[The Theory]

No wonder they keep crossing the border everyday. ?

Population of illegals wil exceed US citizen’s soon. ?

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, The Theory said:

No wonder they keep crossing the border everyday. ?

Population of illegals wil exceed US citizen’s soon. ?

Where did all the ‘US citizens’ come from?

 

Doh!

[Jingthing]

No wonder they keep crossing the border everyday. [emoji849]
Population of illegals wil exceed US citizen’s soon. [emoji3]

Fake fear mongering.

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[Tug]

Poor Donald can’t bulley toddlers baby man gonna have a tantrum?when someone comes to you seeking safty ya don’t imprison them and throw their kids in a cage if after due dilligance if you find out it is bs then kick them out not before it’s unamerican it goes against everything my country stands for make America great again get rid of trump!

[Grouse]

Appalling 

 

We need to protect Europe from these awful Trump types. Stuff NATO. Reintroduce full visas for Americans. Dangerous and subversive.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

17 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Appalling 

 

We need to protect Europe from these awful Trump types. Stuff NATO. Reintroduce full visas for Americans. Dangerous and subversive.

 

There  were/are plenty of informed/educated American who understood/understand just how awful Trump was and would be once elected as president. And he's certainly gone on to exceed those expectations for awfulness.

 

But between Russian meddling and hacking related to the election, the Democrats fielding a relatively unpopular opponent in Hilary Clinton, overt propagandist media like Fox News, and the Christian and right-wing segments of U.S. society, not enough to keep him from becoming a stain on the U.S. and its presidency.

 

Hopefully, he's a stain that will be erased at the next presidential election, or perhaps sooner.  It really will be a good indicator of just how deep into the uninformed/ill-informed sewer the American public has sunk.

 

 

Edited July 10, 2018 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[The Theory]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Where did all the ‘US citizens’ come from?

 

Doh!

 

It seems you took it very personal !!

Are you one here ?  ??

 

Edited July 10, 2018 by The Theory

[Srikcir]

3 hours ago, The Theory said:

Population of illegals wil exceed US citizen’s soon.

You're too late by 200 years.

By 1800, the Native population of the present-day United States had declined to approximately 600,000, and only 250,000 Native Americans remained in the 1890s.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/news-wires-white-papers-and-books/1600-1754-native-americans-overview

Total population of the US in the 1800 census was about 5.3 million and about 63 million in 1890 census. https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h980.html

None of the non-indigenous immigrants entered the country with permission of native Americans.

[Slip]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Appalling 

 

We need to protect Europe from these awful Trump types. Stuff NATO. Reintroduce full visas for Americans. Dangerous and subversive.

Chuck the US out of all global bodies until they can get their house in order.  Industry is already voting with its feet.

[The Theory]

9 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

You're too late by 200 years.

By 1800, the Native population of the present-day United States had declined to approximately 600,000, and only 250,000 Native Americans remained in the 1890s.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/news-wires-white-papers-and-books/1600-1754-native-americans-overview

Total population of the US in the 1800 census was about 5.3 million and about 63 million in 1890 census. https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h980.html

None of the non-indigenous immigrants entered the country with permission of native Americans.

 

And are you a US Citizen ? 

[Slip]

Just now, The Theory said:

 

And are you a US Citizen ? 

of zero relevance to the matter at hand.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just now, Slip said:

Chuck the US out of all global bodies until they can get their house in order.  Industry is already voting with its feet.

 

Hate to say this, but your suggestion above would merely move the U.S. further in the direction that Trump has already taken the country -- withdrawing from treaties, withdrawing from alliances, cozying up to authoritarian regimes and feuding with historic allies, etc etc.

 

If the rest of the world responded in the manner you're suggesting, Trump and his ilk probably would like it and applaud.  And I don't think that's what either you or I would want.

 

 

[Slip]

32 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Hate to say this, but your suggestion above would merely move the U.S. further in the direction that Trump has already taken the country -- withdrawing from treaties, withdrawing from alliances, cozying up to authoritarian regimes and feuding with historic allies, etc etc.

 

If the rest of the world responded in the manner you're suggesting, Trump and his ilk probably would like it and applaud.  And I don't think that's what either you or I would want.

 

 

A fair point.  I equate the idea to bringing an errant child into line, but that could go well or badly.

[bristolboy]

4 hours ago, The Theory said:

No wonder they keep crossing the border everyday. ?

Population of illegals wil exceed US citizen’s soon. ?

Except of course that immigration of illegals has declined drastically from its height in 2001. But if you get your information about immigration only  from pro-Trump news sources and from Trump himself, it's likely you wouldn't have a clue about that.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, The Theory said:

 

And are you a US Citizen ? 

Because U.S. Citizenship is a guarantee of knowledgeability?

A Shocking Number Of Americans Don't Know Basic Facts About The US Government

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-many-americans-dont-know-basic-facts-about-government-2014-9

 

Edited July 10, 2018 by bristolboy

[The Theory]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Because U.S. Citizenship is a guarantee of knowledgeability?

A Shocking Number Of Americans Don't Know Basic Facts About The US Government

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-many-americans-dont-know-basic-facts-about-government-2014-9

 

No,

because we Americans pay tax not people like you full of brain, but in wrong locations.  ?

Trump will be pain in.. for EU hopefully for one more term.

get use to it ?

Edited July 10, 2018 by The Theory

[bristolboy]

 

 

3 minutes ago, The Theory said:

No,

because we Americans pay tax not people like you full of brain, but in wrong locations.  ?

First off, I disagree with you. I believe that there are plenty of intelligent Americans. But it is clear that you are not acquainted with any of them.

Considering that posters on this forum are anonymous, It certainly doesn't reflect well on your powers of thought that you conclude that I am not an American and assert that you are without any possibility of proof. And even if you could prove that you are a citizen of the United States or that I am not,  how does paying taxes validate ignorance?  And hasn't Donald Trump asserted that the proof of his intelligence is how he has avoided paying taxes?

[bristolboy]

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Except of course that immigration of illegals has declined drastically from its height in 2001. But if you get your information about immigration only  from pro-Trump news sources and from Trump himself, it's likely you wouldn't have a clue about that.

. "The question of whether an invasion is actually occurring at the Southern border is, of course, an empirical one, and the federal government’s own statistics tell a much different story than the one offered by Trump. According to data from the Department of Homeland Security, illegal crossings are now at historic lows—about one-fifth of what they were at their peak in the late-1990s and early-2000s—and a large proportion of the immigration flows from Mexico that once occurred illegally now occur through legal channels."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/data-from-the-u-s-border-patrol-show-there-is-no-invasion-at-the-southern-border.html

[Silurian]

Isn't it good that they at least are not affecting US citizens...Oops!

 

The Trump administration might have separated a child and parent who are both US citizens

 

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The Trump administration may have separated a parent and child who were both US citizens, the government said in a court filing on Tuesday.

 

[Silurian]

Maybe the better idea is to kick out naturalized US citizens?

 

Homeland Security is ramping up its efforts to "denaturalize" and deport US citizens.

 

Quote

Last month, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, an agency of the Department of Homeland Security, announced that it would be forming a task force dedicated to investigating "naturalization fraud," tracking down people who may have lied or falsified their identity to get citizenship. 

 

Maybe they can start with Melania? If the WH is going to do this shouldn't they play by the same rules? I guess being married to the Reality TV Con Artist is punishment enough.

 

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