Popular Post Thaidream Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 Mr Musk should be congratulated for getting involved and actually creating a possible alternate solution; then rushing it to Thailand at his own expense and personally coming to oversee it's potential use. I am sure he is glad it wasn't needed but instead of sitting about and asking what can be done- he did something . 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yann55 Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Oziex1 said: I kinda like Musk but don't care for this gratuitous self promotion at this time. Hum .... OK but... why would you automatically assume that it's about 'self promotion' ? Does he really need that ? Frankly I don't think so. I suppose you've being following the story closely and feeling the frustration of your own helplessness. I sure do. I also assume that you're a person with a kind heart ... now, imagine you had billions of $, teams of technicians who can work wonders in a very short time, the mind of an inventor, and a capacity for empathy (which, admittedly, is rare among billionaires, for all kinds of reasons) ... wouldn't you swing into action just like he did ? And mind you, he's (very) far from stupid, so he knew full well, I'm sure, that he would be suspected of having some hidden self-serving purpose. It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, isn't it ? But he did it anyway, and personally I'm impressed. Helping other human beings in difficulty is not exactly top of the list on billionnaires' agendas, who tend to help themselves, first and foremost, and to find that absolutely normal. Edited July 10, 2018 by Yann55 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, smutcakes said: 22 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said: The saddest thing is they didn't reach out to someone of his caliber in the opening days when we needed pumps that still haven't arrived, air lines that were never installed. Similar to Hurricane Katrina when FEMA was tripping over itself until they brought in Gen. Honore to bring coordinated leadership to bear. The diving aspect has saved the day and hopefully the boys will be out in a few hours. Yes they reached out to professionals in caving and evacuation and consequently the rescue will hopefully be completed today. The water level remains low despite the rain and as far as we know they are not starved of oxygen. Its a stupid argument but why the hell would the reach out to Elon Musk? Why not Jack Ma? Why not Bill Gates? Why not Jeff Bezos? I will tell you why, because they have zero experience in this type of situation and they required the best of the best to sought the situation out, which is nearly completed by them. As Musk has said himself, and reiterated by the person i charge of the evacuation, whilst sophisticated the mini sub is completely impractical for this type of rescue, which should be pretty clear to see from anyone who has been following the footage and news reports. I am sure as hell Elon Musk knew it was not practical and completely unusable. He would probably have a fit if they actually said they would try to use it! smutcakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Hanscomb Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Very kind of him but I think they are doing just fine with a now tested an prooven escape option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post impulse Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 59 minutes ago, happy chappie said: Tesla is one of the biggest stock shares that are being shorted at the moment.in other words the markets are betting on the shares falling.great battery tech stuck in a skoda or Czechoslovakian tin can as I used to call them.now the jaguar E-pace is in another class.most car companies now have this battery technology and have a long history of building great cars and I'm afraid to say tesla should of teamed up with one of them instead of trying to go it alone.another de lorean if you ask me. If TESLA hadn't raised the bar, the other manufacturers would be years behind where they are now. They have been shamed at their own game by an upstart. I imagine a lot of senior executives were called on the carpet by their boards and investors to answer some tough questions about how they were spanked by a noob. As far as the shorts, they're going to be real disappointed when TESLA gets their line dialed in and starts meeting their production targets. Musk will make that happen if only to stick it to the shorts who have been trying to sabotage TESLA's success so their options are in the money. Even if they don't reach the levels Musk has bragged on, the stock will grow as they get the rest of the infrastructure in place that's needed to support millions of electric cars needing to be topped up. Then, Jaguar, Nissan, et al. will be coming to TESLA begging to team up. Because only a dinosaur believes that electric cars are just about the cars. It's an entire ecosystem. And there's nobody better positioned than TESLA. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kieran00001 Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, The manic said: Yes I hate cynical,self promotion and opportunism on the back of other people's suffering. I have enormous respect for the real rescue teams and the children. Musk was just there to promote his corporate image. Actually he was there because he was asked if he would help, but don't let facts get in the way of your frothing at the mouth rants. Edited July 10, 2018 by Kieran00001 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry921 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Musk: Mr Governor, I've got this great new child-sized mini-sub for rescuing the boys! Narongsak: cannot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, tropo said: 1 hour ago, lionsincity said: No it's not limited........it's massive exposure for that conjob........why don't you start a Elon Musk worship thread?......... This thread is sufficient to praise his contributions, but haters with a problem should go elsewhere. Nearly half the posts here are people like you whining about Elon Musk. Some of you seem very distressed. amazing trump like hate and musk is just a successful inventor businessman very intelligent guy. Those who have achieved “extreme success,” says Justine, who divorced Elon in 2008, live differently than most others. “These people tend to be freaks and misfits who were forced to experience the world in an unusually challenging way,” she writes in response to a question on the user-generated response platform Quora. “They don't think the way other people think. They see things from angles that unlock new ideas and insights. Other people consider them to be somewhat insane.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jossthaifarang Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 5 hours ago, smutcakes said: Did he really try and believe that his solution was workable at this late stage? Or is it all a bit of good PR. In showing his willingness to stand behind his tech i suggest that Elon volunteer to test the protoype before the kids in the cave go in it. If its not ready, what is the point in him being here and delivering it? Have you looked at the video? It's ready, they tested it with a person already! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peperobi Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Mickmouse1 said: Thanks mate but it is nearly over!!? Right, but an extra free advertising is always good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindfulness Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 ... no problem. It may be a little late at least the thought was there, and no one knew of how the weather was going to be. Well It’s there for the future should something happen like this again anywhere in the world. Maybe it could be further adapted for other senerios. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Spidey said: Who was he invited by? Not the Thais. As for grandstanding, do you see the British cave divers who are actually leading this operation and putting their lives at risk patting themselves on the back every 10 minutes on Twitter? Guy's a snake oil salesman trying to save his company which is rapidly going down the pan and cynically using the plight of the Thai 13 to do it. Disgusting creature. There's no Twitter in the cave. If there was, you don't figure the kids would have been found a lot sooner? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, jossthaifarang said: Have you looked at the video? It's ready, they tested it with a person already! They tried it in a flat bottomed swimming pool with 10 people holding around it, and then requiring 10 people to lift it out the water. How the hell would they get it to the boys, how would they navigate it in murky waters, how would it cope with the currents, the topography, the tight twists and turns, (it looks like a 6 foot rigid tube) what happens if it hits a wall and ruptures, how is it powered? etc etc etc It may be a fantastic invention in the future, but it is clearly not ready for this situation, which has been acknowledged by Elon himself, unless you want to disagree with him? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, impulse said: There's no Twitter in the cave. If there was, you don't figure the kids would have been found a lot sooner? The rescuers go back to their hotel every night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peperobi Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 56 minutes ago, Thaidream said: Mr Musk should be congratulated for getting involved and actually creating a possible alternate solution; then rushing it to Thailand at his own expense and personally coming to oversee it's potential use. I am sure he is glad it wasn't needed but instead of sitting about and asking what can be done- he did something . Sorry, what they did? They come too late and this "submarine" is too big for, the only PR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jossthaifarang Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, smutcakes said: They tried it in a flat bottomed swimming pool with 10 people holding around it, and then requiring 10 people to lift it out the water. How the hell would they get it to the boys, how would they navigate it in murky waters, how would it cope with the currents, the topography, the tight twists and turns, (it looks like a 6 foot rigid tube) what happens if it hits a wall and ruptures, how is it powered? etc etc etc It may be a fantastic invention in the future, but it is clearly not ready for this situation, which has been acknowledged by Elon himself, unless you want to disagree with him? The glass is half empty with you hey? Anyway, well done to the ones who have actually saved the boys so far.. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, KKr said: Do you suggest there should be more people distracting attention from the work going on ? More people promoting themselves over the misfortune of a bunch of kids that, let's expect the best, survived an ordeal ? I'd say respect to the people that know there is a place and a time for gratuitous self promotion, and #ThamLuang is not it. may i suggest a few books to read that could benefit you? https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/21/billionaire-elon-musk-credits-his-success-to-these-8-books.html 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, atyclb said: may i suggest a few books to read that could benefit you? https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/21/billionaire-elon-musk-credits-his-success-to-these-8-books.html 55555 Issac Asimov? Sounds like another L. Ron Hubbard in the making! What will he call his church? Edited July 10, 2018 by Spidey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, smutcakes said: They tried it in a flat bottomed swimming pool with 10 people holding around it, and then requiring 10 people to lift it out the water. How the hell would they get it to the boys, how would they navigate it in murky waters, how would it cope with the currents, the topography, the tight twists and turns, (it looks like a 6 foot rigid tube) what happens if it hits a wall and ruptures, how is it powered? etc etc etc The tube is powered by those 10 people, like it would be powered in real situation. And yes I assume you used binary numbers for your counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smutcakes Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, jossthaifarang said: The glass is half empty with you hey? Anyway, well done to the ones who have actually saved the boys so far.. Joss, its hardly glass half empty, Do you really think after testing it in a swimming pool that it is ready for a situation like this? Its not glass half empty its just reality. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jossthaifarang Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, smutcakes said: Joss, its hardly glass half empty, Do you really think after testing it in a swimming pool that it is ready for a situation like this? Its not glass half empty its just reality. Fair enough, I'll give you that one. We should meet for a beer one day.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kieran00001 Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 To all those claiming that Musk was not invited and did this to raise publicity. He was first requested if he could do something to help by a Thai child who now lives in America, he said that he would if he could but assumed that Thailand had it under control, he contacted the Thai authorities, he was then formally invited by Narongsak Osottanakorn, governor of Chiang Rai province. Keep your imaginations to yourselves, stick to the facts instead of claiming things that you have just dreamed up, this is not the time nor the place for pessimistic ramblings of nonsense, the man is doing what he can to help. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Elon has certainly got a lot of people talking about Elon.... well who would of thunk it.... duh i am sure he did not.......... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post impulse Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, smutcakes said: 22 minutes ago, jossthaifarang said: The glass is half empty with you hey? Anyway, well done to the ones who have actually saved the boys so far.. Joss, its hardly glass half empty, Do you really think after testing it in a swimming pool that it is ready for a situation like this? Its not glass half empty its just reality. When you're in a situation where lives are at risk and you can't predict (much less control) all the variables, it's good to have a backup plan and a backup plan for that one. They'd sure feel bad if one of the kids passed out and couldn't swim on SCUBA. Or if a wall broke and inundated the cavern a lot faster than they can keep on their current plan. Or any one of a dozen scenarios that may make them really glad they had another option. Is it a low probability? Sure. But what are the odds that the exit to the cave would flood at the exact time the kids were in there? And even a prototype is better than sitting there with a thumb up the bum, watching the water rise, or a kid that can't move on his own. Edited July 10, 2018 by impulse 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, smutcakes said: Elon has certainly got a lot of people talking about Elon.... well who would of thunk it.... duh i am sure he did not.......... That would be shared between the people who requested his help and him for accepting their request. "duh" really does suit you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbess Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Quote American tech entrepreneur Elon Musk has revealed that he is already at the Tham Luang cave Not an American - from South Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, smutcakes said: Elon has certainly got a lot of people talking about Elon.... well who would of thunk it.... duh i am sure he did not.......... If it's like so much Thai-centric news, the only foreigners talking about Musk and his efforts are the ones living in Thailand. To the rest of the world, Thailand's not even on their radar. The cave drama is a minor distraction from Brexit, or Trump's latest tweet, or Putin's speech, or the first Starbucks opening in their Hebei neighborhood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Robbess said: Not an American - from South Africa. American citizen since 2002. That makes him an American. Edit: In fact, maybe even more-so. He's American by choice. (and notorious for being happy about it) Most of us are Yanks by accident of birth. Edited July 10, 2018 by impulse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve73 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, impulse said: .... They'd sure feel bad if one of the kids passed out and couldn't swim on SCUBA. .... Comments on another ongoing thread suggest all the boys were sedated anyway, using the final chamber to revive them. Sorry, but I'm unsure how to post cross-thread quotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandrabbit Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, impulse said: American citizen since 2002. That makes him an American. No he has South African, Canadian & American citizenship. Resident in US though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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