Trump claims NATO victory after ultimatum to go it alone

[Rigby40]

Just now, bristolboy said:

Yes, let's make it about psychology and not about objective facts and issues of national importance. What do legislation and enforcement issues matter when it's clearly the priority to examine your feelings?  You're so talky-feely that I'm beginning to believe you are a liberal. And not just any kind of liberal but one from California.

You really need to go back and read what I wrote. This is not about feelings this is about how all you anti-Trumpers have been manipulated into boosting his media presence and widening his support. Really, it's not that hard to understand my point.

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, Rigby40 said:

You really need to go back and read what I wrote. This is not about feelings this is about how all you anti-Trumpers have been manipulated into boosting his media presence and widening his support. Really, it's not that hard to understand my point.

Except that there's no evidence his support has been widened. On the contrary, the economy has continued to improve and his approval ratings are still in the dumps. Any President who could manage to approximate somewhat decent behavior would be riding high right now.

[Rigby40]

14 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Except that there's no evidence his support has been widened. On the contrary, the economy has continued to improve and his approval ratings are still in the dumps. Any President who could manage to approximate somewhat decent behavior would be riding high right now.

I'd suggest watching the video below, outraged and angry people play an important part in boosting his media presence. I'd also suggest watching some Scott Adams videos on Trump and many of the recent hashtag Walk Away videos. A lot of whom were turned away from the Left in part due to the outrage and vitriol towards Trump on social media. 

 

 

[Becker]

1 minute ago, Rigby40 said:

You really need to go back and read what I wrote. This is not about feelings this is about how all you anti-Trumpers have been manipulated into boosting his media presence and widening his support. Really, it's not that hard to understand my point.

You want to talk about feelings while we want to talk about facts. Look, we get it, you're all feelings and no facts.

[johnnybangkok]

5 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Trump is still kickin a$$ and taking names. Cue the petulant liberals who can only see through the lens of manipulated outrage.

So exactly when did being a liberal become such a terrible thing?

Liberalism gave you the right to vote.

Liberalism gave you equality.

Liberalism gave you your inalienable rights.

Liberalism gave you free speech.

 

Liberalism is the enemy of tyrants and despots and the only reason why this joke is being constrained in his endeavors. Liberalism's political doctrine takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to the centre of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty whilst bestowing virtues such as equality, pluralism, and toleration.

You should be bloody grateful that liberals are around.   

[bristolboy]

5 minutes ago, Rigby40 said:

I'd suggest watching the video below, outraged and angry people play an important part in boosting his media presence. I'd also suggest watching some Scott Adams videos on Trump and many of the recent hashtag Walk Away videos. A lot of whom were turned away from the Left in part due to the outrage and vitriol towards Trump on social media. 

 

 

I guess when the facts are against you, you can always unearth selected personal opinions on youtube. Who knows, maybe you do consider that to be valid evidence proving Trump's popularity. And tell me again, what liberal positions do you hold? Oh wait a minute, you never told me any. So no, I don't buy that nonsense about liberals turning to Trump who has mostly implemented extreme right wing policies.

Edited July 13, 2018 by bristolboy

[Rigby40]

8 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

I guess when the facts are against you, you can always unearth selected personal opinions on youtube. Who knows, maybe you do consider that to be valid evidence proving Trump's popularity. And tell me again, what liberal positions do you hold? Oh wait a minute, you never told me any. So no, I don't buy that nonsense about liberals turning to Trump who has mostly implemented extreme right wing policies.

Ok, you're right and I'm wrong. As your were sir ?

You must have misread what I wrote. I said I WAS a liberal(thousands of similar stories on the youtubes). Thanks to the identity politics of the Left I snapped out of it. It was a journey but I'm a hard-right conservative now.

 

Edited July 13, 2018 by Rigby40

[farcanell]

40 minutes ago, Rigby40 said:

You really need to go back and read what I wrote. This is not about feelings this is about how all you anti-Trumpers have been manipulated into boosting his media presence and widening his support. Really, it's not that hard to understand my point.

Outrage does not nessesarily mean anger.... 

 

that said, I’m pretty sure everyone understands the concept of “any advertising is good advertising”, even if that line of thought is flawed.

 

so... unless I greaviously under estimate the intelligence of the TV members, your point is understood

 

now again, the opposing point is that public opinion needs to be voiced, to make it known ( that’s easy to understand, right?)... that the public opinion is ruled by outrage, means something.... and that something needs to be recognized and discussed.

 

ignoring that public opinion, which you seem to advocate, is totally wrong and unconscionable..... think on this “.... first they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out...” etc etc... y’all know how that goes.... but more importantly, y’all know the why of it

 

and again... not expressing your view (outrage... or in your case, approval) is akin to acceptance of trumptopian ideals

 

now.... what others have trouble understanding regards your point, is that you have that viewpoint.... your lack of outrage is what people don’t understand.... any lack of outrage amazes me, given the continual demonstrable lying done by this potus, amongst other things... but if that’s what you want from your dear leader (lies and inflammatory comments meant to deceive, anger, annoy etc etc etc) then congratulations, because that’s what you have been given

 

and finally.... protest is a hallmark of democracy.... y’all enjoy democracy, don’t you?

[lovelomsak]

17 minutes ago, Rigby40 said:

Ok, you're right and I'm wrong. As your were sir ?

You must have misread what I wrote. I said I WAS a liberal(thousands of similar stories on the youtubes). Thanks to the identity politics of the Left I snapped out of it. It was a journey but I'm a hard-right conservative now.

 

I was far left also same as you.I was even labelled a commie by some. I was forced to  move from my province and city and 2 houses because of my left leanings. at the time. 

  Now I have gone right also.Right is right as far as I can see in these times.

[Rigby40]

2 minutes ago, farcanell said:

Outrage does not nessesarily mean anger.... 

 

that said, I’m pretty sure everyone understands the concept of “any advertising is good advertising”, even if that line of thought is flawed.

 

so... unless I greaviously under estimate the intelligence of the TV members, your point is understood

 

now again, the opposing point is that public opinion needs to be voiced, to make it known ( that’s easy to understand, right?)... that the public opinion is ruled by outrage, means something.... and that something needs to be recognized and discussed.

 

ignoring that public opinion, which you seem to advocate, is totally wrong and unconscionable..... think on this “.... first they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out...” etc etc... y’all know how that goes.... but more importantly, y’all know the why of it

 

and again... not expressing your view (outrage... or in your case, approval) is akin to acceptance of trumptopian ideals

 

now.... what others have trouble understanding regards your point, is that you have that viewpoint.... your lack of outrage is what people don’t understand.... any lack of outrage amazes me, given the continual demonstrable lying done by this potus, amongst other things... but if that’s what you want from your dear leader (lies and inflammatory comments meant to deceive, anger, annoy etc etc etc) then congratulations, because that’s what you have been given

 

and finally.... protest is a hallmark of democracy.... y’all enjoy democracy, don’t you?

First you need to define outrage.

Sure I agree that we should discuss issues together but just because people are upset or 'outraged' about something doesn't mean they're right.

Nope, never said to ignore public opinion.

I'm not outraged because firstly I'm not overly emotional, secondly I don't have anger so I can't be manipulated and thirdly I love much(not all) of what Donald Trump stands for.

[tomacht8]

2 hours ago, Rigby40 said:

Not the point. The point is that he has you wrapped around his fingers by using your anger against you. Amazing.

you're right. he uses the same techniques as goebbels back in the 3rd Reich. no reason for me to clap my hands in joy.

However, there is the serious disadvantage that trump on the world stage is no longer taken seriously. His propaganda lies and half-truths are easy to unmask.

but blessed are his voters, the spiritually poor.

[Chomper Higgot]

28 minutes ago, Rigby40 said:

Ok, you're right and I'm wrong. As your were sir ?

You must have misread what I wrote. I said I WAS a liberal(thousands of similar stories on the youtubes). Thanks to the identity politics of the Left I snapped out of it. It was a journey but I'm a hard-right conservative now.

 

You should seek help and understanding as to why you swung from one pole to the other.

 

That you have been attracted to the extremes despite them being politically polar opposites is deserving of some introspective examination.

[Rigby40]

2 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

you're right. he uses the same techniques as goebbels back in the 3rd Reich. no reason for me to clap my hands in joy.

However, there is the serious disadvantage that trump on the world stage is no longer taken seriously. His propaganda lies and half-truths are easy to unmask.

but blessed are his voters, the spiritually poor.

And here folks we have another reason why people voted for him. Everyone you disagree with is literally Hitler and everyone who has a different opinion than me is a Nazi.

People like you are why I'm no longer liberal. Thanks mate, love ya ❤️

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

I was far left also same as you.I was even labelled a commie by some. I was forced to  move from my province and city and 2 houses because of my left leanings. at the time. 

  Now I have gone right also.Right is right as far as I can see in these times.

Ditto #31 for you too.

[Rigby40]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You should seek help and understanding as to why you swung from one pole to the other.

 

That you have been attracted to the extremes despite them being politically polar opposites is deserving of some introspective examination.

I was never far left, smart guy.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Rigby40 said:

And here folks we have another reason why people voted for him. Everyone you disagree with is literally Hitler and everyone who has a different opinion than me is a Nazi.

People like you are why I'm no longer liberal. Thanks mate, love ya ❤️

It was you that mentioned Nazis.

 

The techniques of Goebbels were applied by the Nazis but they are not in themselves Nazi.

[bristolboy]

32 minutes ago, Rigby40 said:

Ok, you're right and I'm wrong. As your were sir ?

You must have misread what I wrote. I said I WAS a liberal(thousands of similar stories on the youtubes). Thanks to the identity politics of the Left I snapped out of it. It was a journey but I'm a hard-right conservative now.

 

Please, identity politics rapidly trumped all the economic and environmental positions you held? Not believable. And what makes it even more unbelievable is that apparently it all happened in the last election cycle.

[johnnybangkok]

8 minutes ago, Rigby40 said:

First you need to define outrage.

Sure I agree that we should discuss issues together but just because people are upset or 'outraged' about something doesn't mean they're right.

Nope, never said to ignore public opinion.

I'm not outraged because firstly I'm not overly emotional, secondly I don't have anger so I can't be manipulated and thirdly I love much(not all) of what Donald Trump stands for.

So exactly what do you 'love' about what Donald stands for? Genuinely interested.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Rigby40 said:

I was never far left, smart guy.

I never said you were.

 

Smarten up.

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It was you that mentioned Nazis.

 

The techniques of Goebbels were applied by the Nazis but they are not in themselves Nazi.

The technique was called the Big Lie and no one lies more bigly and frequently than does Donald Trump.

[Rigby40]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Please, identity politics rapidly trumped all the economic and environmental positions you held? Not believable. And what makes it even more unbelievable is that apparently it all happened in the last election cycle.

You need to slow down and really start reading the entirety of my posts.

I said it was a journey

The changes slowly happened over the course of 2-3 years.

[Rigby40]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I never said you were.

 

Smarten up.

You implied it, dishonest dude.

[tomacht8]

5 minutes ago, Rigby40 said:

And here folks we have another reason why people voted for him. Everyone you disagree with is literally Hitler and everyone who has a different opinion than me is a Nazi.

People like you are why I'm no longer liberal. Thanks mate, love ya ❤️

but now you are interpreting too much. it is about the retoric and media technique that trump applies.

 

you have now applied the nazi parallel.

 

right?

[bristolboy]

10 minutes ago, Rigby40 said:

I was never far left, smart guy.

Good to know that you don't consider liberals to be far left.

[Rigby40]

5 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

So exactly what do you 'love' about what Donald stands for? Genuinely interested.

He's politically incorrect. He's not afraid to speak his mind unlike all those other phony politicians. He calls a spade a spade. He's not a soy boy. He's pro 1A and 2A. He's against illegal immigration and so forth.

 

[Srikcir]

4 hours ago, alanrchase said:

If Trump is so concerned about things not being fair why doesn't he simply reduce US defence spending to 2% GDP?

He might try (subject to US Congress that sets Trump's budget) and still leave defense spending for NATO untouched.

How?

Reduce US military defense spending throughout the rest of the world. The US defense spending of 4% GDP is for domestic and worldwide operations and for partially space programs.

Pull out of South Korea, the Pacific and Pacific Rim, pull out of Afghanistan, pull out of the Middle East, Africa and South America - areas that have no connection with the defense of NATO that is largely intended for security of Europe against Russian aggression.

Cut the $25 billion border wall with Mexico and get it into Defense. Etc.

[Rigby40]

5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Good to know that you don't consider liberals to be far left.

Well, that depends what kind of liberal you're talking about. I said I wasn't far left because I was probably more center left at the time. I really wasn't into politics then but I was your typical angry atheist, pro-choicer,  gay loving liberal(wouldn't consider that far left until the identity politics and socialism comes in).

[Small Joke]

 

Meanwhile, China is coming of age, and they don't even make pretence at playing nice, divided we fall,  so we'd all better just get used to it. 

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, Rigby40 said:

You implied it, dishonest dude.

I never mentioned the Left or the Right honey.

 

 

[bristolboy]

13 minutes ago, Rigby40 said:

He's politically incorrect. He's not afraid to speak his mind unlike all those other phony politicians. He calls a spade a spade. He's not a soy boy. He's pro 1A and 2A. He's against illegal immigration and so forth.

 

Since when is constant lying and telling falsehoods calling a spade a spade?

No, what Donald Trump deals in is not truth but truthiness

"Truthiness is the belief or assertion that a particular statement is true based on the intuition or perceptions of some individual or individuals, without regard to evidence, logic, intellectualexamination, or facts.^[1][2] Truthiness can range from ignorant assertions of falsehoods to deliberate duplicity or propaganda intended to sway opinions.:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness