Very disappointing visit to Pattaya.

[swissie]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed, I do refer to the increasing waist line of the young ladies that attempt to make a living by their physical attributes. While I am hardly the Adonis of my youth, I'm not attempting to get women to part with substantial amounts of lucre to get sweaty with me, and if I was, I'd be making sure that I was what makes them trembly at the knees.

Either men these days are so desperate for a spot of horizontal folk dancing that they ignore the chubbiness, or they are into "plus size" women. 

A matter of preference, I guess. If sombody likes "plus-sized" women, he will be well served in Europe or the US. I have lived in Europe as well as in the US, escaping the heavy boned and "plus-sized" women in those countries, seeking solace in the company of Thai-Petites, "daintily" Thai females very frequently over the last 22 years. = It is a matter of preferrence, sorry.
In case the price of beer and the body weight of the "Thai-Petites" is inflationary and interconnected, I may have to look for a future holiday destination where a certain Ronald McDonald has not yet established himself as a firm life companion among the remaining "Thai-Petites".?
Cheers.

[starky]

18 hours ago, Wake Up said:

I saw a few DDG girls in Pattaya at the bars around Buakhao, soi 6 and massage place on soi honey. I saw the opposite of DDG at a famous large massage place near Buakhao that apparently has Chinese and Indian tour buses as their main customers.  

 

 In BKK the DDG have all gone online and the bars in BKK have lost their DDG girls. I prefer to see a girl in a bar and talk first rather than viewing photos online and then video chatting and hoping with all the apps that she really is a DDG. So yes the world is changing. If someone can open a bar in BKK with DDG girls that like to have fun, don’t smoke, don’t get drunk every night and don’t make more money from drinks and tips than ST then please let us all know. But I think that world has been lost to TF and Tinder.  ?

DDG girls can write their own ticket and they know it. Why would they want to work in a shitty beer bar where cheap falangs want to barter every last baht out of them when they can work on line for themselves pick their customers get much better money  and never have to step in a bar ever again. 

[gk10002000]

I agree with the poster saying many sois are losing their appeal.  Soi 7 and Soi 8 used to be prime.  Then the newer eastiny moved in and stuck out into the road.  Many bars closed.  Flippers "renovated" but I miss the nice simple rooms I had in 2004,5,6, chairs with seat cushions, didn't have to "pay" indirectly for same old breakfast buffet that they label is as free, but I don't eat that crap breakfast, and certainly don't eat the same thing every day.  Soi Diana behind KISS now has big hotels there.  Used to love that street.  Intown Holiday was a decent buy in a great location.  My last trip, dead bird on the balcony, showed the staff and he just laughed and left, doing nothing.

[SooKee]

Just did a couple of trips to Pattaya and Phuket, I live in BKK. Everyone chooses to live where suits and for me BKK ticks the boxes.

 

I'd certainly not go to Pattaya for the beaches, I'd rather lounge around by a good hotel pool to chill out TBH. Food I find surprisingly good. Cheap Thai street food can be had and the quality is good IMO if you pick the right places, but that's the same anywhere. Western food can also be outstanding but again, need to pick the right places. I'd not choose to live where I go to socialise there any more than if choose to live near or in Soi Cowboy but I'm guessing most folks live out where it's comfortable to them. For me, it's staying in proximity to where socialising is convenient.

 

As to the talent there, sure there's quite a few WLTDO (who let the dogs out) candidates BUT I've still been able to find plenty of DDG cuties, even in Soi 6 who can be great fun and very pleasant company. Again, it's just going to the places they are. The dating apps work in everyone's favour I guess but I generally prefer to hook up with someone that takes my eye and that I get on with rather than meet up with a random girl that looks great on Tinder but that I don't click with. Price wise I find it OK to. Never been in to carving the lowest price out and generally happy to pay more than they might expect for the right company. Not a case of 2 week millionaire by a long shot, I just figure I want to have a good time and if they are happy they are more likely to turn up the burner on the time you have with them. That's well worth an extra 500-1,000 of my money. I don't buy into (or care to be honest) about the claim of this driving the prices up. The going rate is what the going rate is. Up to me if I decide to let the 'date' have a time that she's at least a bit happier with. Some of the girls I find absolutely DDG.

 

What is noticeable I think is the dearth of customers which is making folks more desperate in some cases so it's quite common to get hit with "buy me drink" as the first words spoken. Quite often that will quickly extend to the chum and the waitress. That does wind me up in gogos TBH. Quite often I've had really good service from a waitress and will by them a drink, or give a good tip, but the insistence of some and the sulky face is more prevalent than before I think. I just check bin and move on.

 

Compared to Phuket though it's much more quiet in Pattaya currently. Quite a few DDG in Phuket too but look at the going rate there and it's a totally different world. Makes Pattaya look like a bargain!! 2k barfines and 8k as the opening proposition!! It's quite common to get 1000 bar fines in beer bars. Of course, FLs widely available at much lower rates but generally, Phuket, with 240 -340 LD prices and 180 baht beers, that's getting up there!!

 

The phone and social media thing is a bit of a blight everywhere these days I think. But it's not just TGs that are addicted. Saw a couple of guys I'd not seen for a while in Phuket and seriously, they couldn't put the damn phones down, continuously scrolling through various apps looking at profiles. Enjoy, leave it with ya, I'm off to see some folks that are more engaging socially. Each to their own, but I'd rather go out with people than their phones!!

 

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[Saraphee]

Pattaya - went once..................

[moontang]

1 hour ago, Saraphee said:

Pattaya - went once..................

sounds like you had a " bad experience."

[jenny2017]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. It's a very well known short way of saying Drop Dead Gorgeous.

Superbaby used to have 100% DDG dancers, but it closed long ago, and has reopened under a different name now, but I didn't go in to see if they are still DDG. I wanted to keep at least one happy memory.

Yep, keep it in your memory. I'll never forget Ko Samed almost 20 years ago. No electricity at night, but candlelight dinner at the beach for an affordable price.

 

 I think that all of these places have changed and so have we. 

[jenny2017]

3 hours ago, Saraphee said:

Pattaya - went once..................

I came and went quite often in Pattaya. ?

[Wake Up]

5 hours ago, starky said:

DDG girls can write their own ticket and they know it. Why would they want to work in a shitty beer bar where cheap falangs want to barter every last baht out of them when they can work on line for themselves pick their customers get much better money  and never have to step in a bar ever again. 

I agree with you and if I was a DDG I would not work at a bar with all the hassles of customers and employer. But I still miss the DDG at the bar and a few favorites that took care of me well and I took care of them also. But that is life and change and getting older. Maybe before I die we will have virtual reality DDGs. ?

[balo]

I think OP is from Chiang Mai .  Chiang Mai got nothing to offer if you want to eat a decent western meal .    Their supermarkets are nothing special , difficult to find imported food that is easy to get in the south .   I lived in CM for a year and was not impressed, night life is a joke. 

Only good thing about CM was the nature , the mountains and all that .  But then pollution from the smoke hits you during the burning months February - April . Just terrible. 

 

In Pattaya we have the sea breeze , even if the beaches are not the best in the world , they are still beaches.  

The night life is better than in any city in Thailand , maybe with the exception of Bangkok in some parts. 

And then the main reason I choose to live here, restaurants, restaurants , restaurants , food , food, food .  Coffee that tastes like coffee. 

Thanks. 

 

[Jip99]

6 minutes ago, balo said:

I think OP is from Chiang Mai .  Chiang Mai got nothing to offer if you want to eat a decent western meal .  

 

 

 

Clearly, you have never been to Chivit Thamma Da.

[balo]

4 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

Chivit Thamma Da

When I google it it's in Chiang Rai , not Chiang Mai so whats your point ?  

 

Try to look for good French, Italian, and Scandinavian restaurants in Chiang Mai, there are one or two overpriced places.  

 

 

[Jip99]

Just now, balo said:

When I google it it's in Chiang Rai , not Chiang Mai so whats your point ?  

 

Try to look for good French, Italian, and Scandinavian restaurants in Chiang Mai, there are one or two overpriced places.  

 

 

 

 

My apologies..................failing eyesight, I read "Rai" in error.

[bkk6060]

10 minutes ago, balo said:

I think OP is from Chiang Mai .  Chiang Mai got nothing to offer if you want to eat a decent western meal .    Their supermarkets are nothing special , difficult to find imported food that is easy to get in the south .   I lived in CM for a year and was not impressed, night life is a joke. 

Only good thing about CM was the nature , the mountains and all that .  But then pollution from the smoke hits you during the burning months February - April . Just terrible. 

 

In Pattaya we have the sea breeze , even if the beaches are not the best in the world , they are still beaches.  

The night life is better than in any city in Thailand , maybe with the exception of Bangkok

And then the main reason I choose to live here, restaurants, restaurants , restaurants , food , food, food .  Coffee that tastes like coffee. 

Thanks. 

 

Some good comments but I am surprised by the coffee.

CM has several coffee plantations in the mountains and many small shops selling local coffees. I think it is maybe the best in the country.

With this, the coffee here has made a nice transition over the past 5 years mostly fresh brew.

[sanemax]

TBL :The problem seems to be  that you cannot find a prostitute to satisfy your arousal .

   You cannot find one who is attractive enough .

How much of an issue is this ?

Can you still get an erection or is there no reaction at all in that department ?

If you can still get an erection and ejaculate with these not too sexy girls , then I suggest that that is what you do, but offer them a cheaper rate .

    You also stated that you didnt visit all the bars , how do you know that there wasnt a dreamgirl in one of those bars ?

    Was that just laziness on your part ?

You need to go out at 5 PM and walk around all the bars until you find a pretty , dont have a drink in all the bars , just slowly walk by and take a look inside and see if theres anything that you fancy , some of the girls may arrive for work late , so just keep wondering around the bars .

    Or you could go into the bars and ask the ugly girls whether they have any pretty friends ?

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, sanemax said:

TBL :The problem seems to be  that you cannot find a prostitute to satisfy your arousal .

   You cannot find one who is attractive enough .

How much of an issue is this ?

Can you still get an erection or is there no reaction at all in that department ?

If you can still get an erection and ejaculate with these not too sexy girls , then I suggest that that is what you do, but offer them a cheaper rate .

    You also stated that you didnt visit all the bars , how do you know that there wasnt a dreamgirl in one of those bars ?

    Was that just laziness on your part ?

You need to go out at 5 PM and walk around all the bars until you find a pretty , dont have a drink in all the bars , just slowly walk by and take a look inside and see if theres anything that you fancy , some of the girls may arrive for work late , so just keep wondering around the bars .

    Or you could go into the bars and ask the ugly girls whether they have any pretty friends ?

5555555555555

I've been hanging in Pattaya for decades. I think I learned everything you wrote about before most of the ladies were born. 

No I didn't trawl all the bars, but that's more down to old age than anything else. W S to Naklua is a long way on ancient legs.

 

If you can still get an erection and ejaculate with these not too sexy girls , then I suggest that that is what you do, but offer them a cheaper rate .

Absolutely classic reply. Thanks for the laugh.

Edited July 17, 2018 by thaibeachlovers

[Saraphee]

21 minutes ago, balo said:

When I google it it's in Chiang Rai , not Chiang Mai so whats your point ?  

 

Try to look for good French, Italian, and Scandinavian restaurants in Chiang Mai, there are one or two overpriced places.  

  

 

I'm delighted to learn that you don't know your way around.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

you mentioned expensive loads of times, complained about a 50THB ride, so not silly at all.

I complained about being extorted for a baht bus ride, not the amount. It's a normal amount in Chiang Mai for that distance.

Yes, Pattaya is very expensive now, but things haven't got better to justify the cost. In fact many things have got worse. Unless people enjoy paying too much for substandard goods and services, I don't see what your point is.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, jenny2017 said:

Yep, keep it in your memory. I'll never forget Ko Samed almost 20 years ago. No electricity at night, but candlelight dinner at the beach for an affordable price.

 

 I think that all of these places have changed and so have we. 

25 years ago I liked Samet. 15 years ago I hated it. Garbage tip end to end.

[jenny2017]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

25 years ago I liked Samet. 15 years ago I hated it. Garbage tip end to end.

The last time I was there, I wanted to take the next ferry back. Or even a speedboat. 

[The manic]

The OP review is not unfair but there is still fun to be had here. Even on WS! There are great restaurants here. There is still a buzz here and if you are a night owl can get a drink after 2am. But no its not what it was but where  in the world is? Where is cheaper  and better and more fun than it was 20 years ago? Possibly the Balkans. Certainly not Chang Mai or Bangkok. Utterly ruined by the authorities 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

23 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Some good comments but I am surprised by the coffee.

CM has several coffee plantations in the mountains and many small shops selling local coffees. I think it is maybe the best in the country.

With this, the coffee here has made a nice transition over the past 5 years mostly fresh brew.

I rarely drink coffee, and then only to keep me awake, so coffee is not going to make me go anywhere. However, re Pattaya vs Chiang Mai, Pattaya is still way, way superior to Chiang Mai for night life, restaurants, things to do, public transport, concerts etc. Where C M wins though, is cost for living in. Far better accommodation at much better prices. In fact, the place I live in is the reason I never moved back to Pattaya.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, The manic said:

The OP review is not unfair but there is still fun to be had here. Even on WS! There are great restaurants here. There is still a buzz here and if you are a night owl can get a drink after 2am. But no its not what it was but where  in the world is? Where is cheaper  and better and more fun than it was 20 years ago? Possibly the Balkans. Certainly not Chang Mai or Bangkok. Utterly ruined by the authorities 

 

Walking Street was fine. I didn't mean to give the impression it wasn't. My only complaint was that all the lovely bottoms disappeared far too early. I was never one for going out so early, but by 10PM all that was left were some very nice Chinese tourist ladies in the crocodiles.

Still possible to get a drink for 65 baht at Lucky Star bar, and they have loud real music again after having to mute it for years. AC DC was made to be played LOUD on W S- excellent.

Good meals to be had at marine Seafood at reasonable prices.

They did finish the building opposite it, but I have no idea what it is. Nothing to with nightlife apparently. They demolished a lot of bars for it.

What puzzled me though is what happened to Little Arabia? Seems to have vanished.

If there is anything I disliked about W S now it's the appearance of so many posh nightclubs playing noise masquerading as music, and I'll never forgive them replacing the place that played Rolling Stones music. However, Hot Tuna does a reasonable job of real music, and they even have a Bill Wyman lookalike on drums.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Wake Up said:

Maybe before I die we will have virtual reality DDGs.

I hope so. My druthers would be a virtual reality Pattaya with every burd a stunna.

[camble]

I moved out of VT6 in 2011 when it filled up with tourists, it used to be a great place to live.  Now, I only spend a day or two in Pattaya on my way to Koh Chang and/or Koh Kood (never Samet), and I always have a great time, like a sailor on shore leave.  Love the town, there’s never been anything like it. Different than when I first moved there in 2004,  no better or worse, I think it depends on your attitude.

[thaibeachlovers]

50 minutes ago, balo said:

When I google it it's in Chiang Rai , not Chiang Mai so whats your point ?  

 

Try to look for good French, Italian, and Scandinavian restaurants in Chiang Mai, there are one or two overpriced places.  

 

 

This is not aimed at you personally, but I've never understood why anyone goes all the way to Asia and then NEEDS to eat western food. I quite like hot dogs as a treat, and DQ do a nice one, but that's just now and then, not a necessary requisite for living here. If every western restaurant and fast food chain vanished from LOS tonight, life would still go on, and Thai waistlines would be all the better for it.

[moontang]

Have you considered <deleted> a 711 girl, or better yet, a real Dairy Queen?  Saw them driving motorbikes, so they                                                   must be old enough.  Hate tattoos, like me?  the best game in town.

[sanemax]

1 hour ago, balo said:

I think OP is from Chiang Mai .  Chiang Mai got nothing to offer if you want to eat a decent western meal .    Their supermarkets are nothing special , difficult to find imported food that is easy to get in the south .   I lived in CM for a year and was not impressed, night life is a joke. 

Only good thing about CM was the nature , the mountains and all that .  But then pollution from the smoke hits you during the burning months February - April . Just terrible. 

 

In Pattaya we have the sea breeze , even if the beaches are not the best in the world , they are still beaches.  

The night life is better than in any city in Thailand , maybe with the exception of Bangkok in some parts. 

And then the main reason I choose to live here, restaurants, restaurants , restaurants , food , food, food .  Coffee that tastes like coffee. 

Thanks. 

Are you upset that the OP was disappointed with Pattaya , so you felt the need to write about how much better Pattaya is than CM ?

[balo]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

This is not aimed at you personally, but I've never understood why anyone goes all the way to Asia and then NEEDS to eat western food. I quite like hot dogs as a treat, and DQ do a nice one, but that's just now and then, not a necessary requisite for living here. If every western restaurant and fast food chain vanished from LOS tonight, life would still go on, and Thai waistlines would be all the better for it.

Nonsense , I am a health freak myself  , but I hate chilly and spicy food.   I can only eat 20% of the Thai food offered to me .  

In Pattaya we have several nice western places , that offer healthy western dishes. More healthy than Thais who eat all that fried shit.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[balo]

6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Are you upset that the OP was disappointed with Pattaya , so you felt the need to write about how much better Pattaya is than CM ?

Since I have lived over a longer period at both places , I can compare . 

That gives me enough reason to comment .

I lived in CM for 12 months , I was out on my bicycle daily . 

  

I am not a sex expat , I work as a digital nomad .  I love Pattaya for it's variety , its unique in Thailand.  

 

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by balo