Former UK minister calls for second vote on Brexit to end stalemate

[dunroaming]

4 hours ago, Lokie said:

I voted to leave, thats it just leave - easy (no deals, no 2nd referendum the people voted leave is pretty simple to work that out evything else is just BS)

So your vote is leave with no deal.  Fair enough.

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

So your vote is leave with no deal.  Fair enough.

But do you honestly believe that the EU wants to to do a deal with us, they are totally uncompromising and they do want to make us pay for having the audacity to want to leave their jolly little club. We don't want to be tied into the EU, at the end of the day the people voted out, not out with foot stuck in the EU door. Would you kowtow to them and give them everything they desire without them giving us anything in return. At the end of the day they are pushing us of the cliff, we are not jumping.

Even your two most fervent remainers, Vince Cable and Tim Farron of the lets give them another referendum party, failed to turn up for yesterdays vote on the white paper, what a pair of wasters.

[brewsterbudgen]

I voted to leave, thats it just leave - easy (no deals, no 2nd referendum the people voted leave is pretty simple to work that out evything else is just BS)

No one will stop you voting to Leave again. Many others who voted Leave have changed their mind now that the full ramifications of leaving are better understood.

Why be scared of asking the people?

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[nabbie]

 Just out of the curiosity - Actually first referendum started in 1975..... so why 23 June 2016 's referendum was repeated?  

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

No one will stop you voting to Leave again. Many others who voted Leave have changed their mind now that the full ramifications of leaving are better understood.

Why be scared of asking the people?

We should ask the Croatians whether we can play them again in the Semi -Final .

If they really deserve to get to the final and are better than England, why wont they replay the game again , what are they scared of ?

[alfieconn]

23 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

No one will stop you voting to Leave again. Many others who voted Leave have changed their mind now that the full ramifications of leaving are better understood.

Why be scared of asking the people?

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You really are doing the Vote Remainer's a discredit by suggesting that many ( how many is that ? ) didn't understand what they were voting for and do you have any proof ? incidentally did the Leavers understand what they were voting for ?

[tryasimight]

9 hours ago, Blue Muton said:

Stop peddling lies, the European Parliament is democratically elected, under a more representative system than Westminster. They are the only body within the EU that passes laws, as you are probably well aware.

So was  Prayut

[CG1 Blue]

Vote Leave won the referendum in 2016.  This was despite every so called economic expert telling us Brexit would be a financial disaster. This demonstrated the strength of ill feeling there is with the UK being controlled by a Commission in Brussels.

 

Remainers need to understand, it doesn’t matter how many more tales of financial Armageddon you throw at us – we just don’t want to be in the EU!

 

Our starting position should have always been ‘no deal’, and I fully acknowledge that ‘no deal’ would come with challenges. But from there we could have negotiated with the EU to reach a mutually beneficial / less disruptive compromise.

 

Clearly it’s too late for all that now, as our Remainer PM has really made a pig’s ear of it.   Has she done this on purpose, in the hope that the people would call for ref 2 and vote to Remain?  Possibly. I mean why else would she have run a general election campaign that was bound to destroy the Tory majority?

 

Either way, I believe a 2nd referendum would result in an even bigger victory for Leave. But the problem is we don’t have the time to set up and execute a 2nd ref now.  A deal needs to be agreed by October.

 

Even if we did have a 2nd ref, what questions could go on the ballot paper? As others have said, if ‘Remain in the EU’ is one of the options, the EU will simply offer us the worst deal in history.

[tryasimight]

6 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I would think it is obvious even to the most blinkered Brexiters that we should remain. Let the people decide!

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I thought they already did!! 

[brewsterbudgen]

I thought they already did!! 

Now they know more of the full facts, they can make a more informed decision. Seems Brexiters are running a little scared!

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[Jip99]

Don't confuse fear with frustration.....

[CG1 Blue]

14 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Now they know more of the full facts, they can make a more informed decision. Seems Brexiters are running a little scared!

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Which of the "full facts" we now know would make Brexiteers change their minds?

 

Was freedom of movement just a figment of our imaginations?

Are regulations not in fact forced upon us by Brussels?

Do we not pay billions of pounds a year into the EU?

Are we not in fact part of the Common Fisheries Policy?

Are we not in fact under the jurisdiction of the ECJ?

Was the Common Agricultural Policy just a bad dream?

 

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

Which of the "full facts" we now know would make Brexiteers change their minds?
 
Was freedom of movement just a figment of our imaginations?
Are regulations not in fact forced upon us by Brussels?
Do we not pay billions of pounds a year into the EU?
Are we not in fact part of the Common Fisheries Policy?
Are we not in fact under the jurisdiction of the ECJ?
Was the Common Agricultural Policy just a bad dream?
 
 
 

All those things benefit the UK. And no regulations are not forced on us by Brussels. We elect MEPs. It's democratic. Why are Brexiters so unable to see how EU membership will benefit future generations. It's so short-sighted to resort to a "Little England" mentality.

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[vogie]

36 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

All those things benefit the UK. And no regulations are not forced on us by Brussels. We elect MEPs. It's democratic. Why are Brexiters so unable to see how EU membership will benefit future generations. It's so short-sighted to resort to a "Little England" mentality.

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BB I feel your pain and I feel your grief, but casting insults like "Little England" really does you no credit whatsoever. People chose to leave for different reasons and those people were in the majority.

However that said I have found a piece from the Guardian that might explain why you are suffering so much and can't come to terms with the referendum result.

Following last week’s EU referendum defeat, passionate remainers who have spoken to the Guardian have reported difficulty sleeping, panic attacks, lack of appetite and a low mood. Psychologists are reporting higher incidences of anxiety, with people keen to talk about how they might cope with Brexit.

Lucy Clyde, a counsellor and psychotherapist who practises in Camden, north London, where 75.2% of voters backed remain, likens the response to the result to the early stages of grief or loss. Until remainers can work through the stages of grief, she says, they will continue to feel bad about the result.

 

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/30/why-remainers-finding-it-hard-to-deal-with-eu-referendum-result

[brewsterbudgen]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

BB I feel your pain and I feel your grief, but casting insults like "Little England" really does you no credit whatsoever. People chose to leave for different reasons and those people were in the majority.

However that said I have found a piece from the Guardian that might explain why you are suffering so much and can't come to terms with the referendum result.

Following last week’s EU referendum defeat, passionate remainers who have spoken to the Guardian have reported difficulty sleeping, panic attacks, lack of appetite and a low mood. Psychologists are reporting higher incidences of anxiety, with people keen to talk about how they might cope with Brexit.

Lucy Clyde, a counsellor and psychotherapist who practises in Camden, north London, where 75.2% of voters backed remain, likens the response to the result to the early stages of grief or loss. Until remainers can work through the stages of grief, she says, they will continue to feel bad about the result.

 

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/30/why-remainers-finding-it-hard-to-deal-with-eu-referendum-result

Thanks.  That helps!  I wasn't accusing Brexiters personally, as I'm sure many of them are well-intentioned, but the mentality I referred to certainly does exist.  Fortunately it's predominantly in the older generation, and in time, the more open-minded youth may be able to drag the UK back.

[The Renegade]

51 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It's so short-sighted to resort to a "Little England" mentality.

I am fairly confident that the Welsh, Scots and NI voters who voted '' Leave '' will put you right instantly, if you tell them about their '' Little Englander '' mentality direct to their face??

[alfieconn]

11 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Now they know more of the full facts, they can make a more informed decision. Seems Brexiters are running a little scared!

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You still haven't answered the following questions !!!!

 

You really are doing the Vote Remainer's a discredit by suggesting that many ( how many is that ? ) didn't understand what they were voting for and do you have any proof ? incidentally did the Leavers understand what they were voting for ?

[CG1 Blue]

5 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Thanks.  That helps!  I wasn't accusing Brexiters personally, as I'm sure many of them are well-intentioned, but the mentality I referred to certainly does exist.  Fortunately it's predominantly in the older generation, and in time, the more open-minded youth may be able to drag the UK back.

Is that the youth who spend all day with faces buried in a smartphone sending snapchat selfies with bunny ears?

Or the youth that go around stabbing each other in UK towns and cities?

Or the ones like my friend's daughter who voted Remain so she could continue going on holiday in Magaluf?

 

Yes, at least we'll be saved by the youth...

[brewsterbudgen]

I am fairly confident that the Welsh, Scots and NI voters who voted '' Leave '' will put you right instantly, if you tell them about their '' Little Englander '' mentality direct to their face??

Didn't the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish vote to Remain? I guess another benefit to "Little Englanders" is that Brexit, a "hard" one anyway, will lead to the break-up of the UK.

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[brewsterbudgen]

Is that the youth who spend all day with faces buried in a smartphone sending snapchat selfies with bunny ears?
Or the youth that go around stabbing each other in UK towns and cities?
Or the ones like my friend's daughter who voted Remain so she could continue going on holiday in Magaluf?
 
Yes, at least we'll be saved by the youth...

The first and the third. The second probably voted Leave.

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[Lokie]

The only thing holding the UK back is the remainers who can not accept the public vote - To LEAVE!!!