Certificate of Residence Problem

[BobTH]

It would probably be a good idea to also take your last Receipt of Notification from your last 90 Day Report. At least they want to see that at Changwattana Immigration office in Bangkok when applying for a Residence Certificate. I am not sure if it is needed  at the Surat Thani  Office or not.

[stud858]

1 minute ago, PoorSucker said:

No use if you stay longer than three months, after that you need a Thai license. 

What you say has been said many times by members of this forum and other privately run sites,  but it doesnt match with what the Police station officers say, the Thai law Act says,  my insurance company says and what the Geneva act says,

You can have it for the year unless you have an immigrant visa. 

 

But if you feel as though it's risky,  fair enough.  I don't think there will be a problem , and haven't a problem using mine for the full year.  I am yet to be shown an official statement regarding the mentioned 3 month rule

[sananeamk0715]

16 minutes ago, PoorSucker said:

No, but it's a requirement for dealing with the immigration for non tourists. 

Thank you!

[PoorSucker]

1 hour ago, stud858 said:

What you say has been said many times by members of this forum and other privately run sites,  but it doesnt match with what the Police station officers say, the Thai law Act says,  my insurance company says and what the Geneva act says,

You can have it for the year unless you have an immigrant visa. 

 

But if you feel as though it's risky,  fair enough.  I don't think there will be a problem , and haven't a problem using mine for the full year.  I am yet to be shown an official statement regarding the mentioned 3 month rule

It does not apply when you are doing 90-day border hops if you are on extension of stay and stay longer than 90 days you are considered living here. 

[stud858]

1 minute ago, PoorSucker said:

It does not apply when you are doing 90-day border hops if you are on extension of stay and stay longer than 90 days you are considered living here. 

It clearly says in the written law you need a Thai licence if you are on immigrant visa.  There is no consideration given to the idea of anyone" living in Thailand " 

I specifically confirmed this at the police station too. All retirees are good for the year. 

 

 

[PoorSucker]

3 minutes ago, stud858 said:

It clearly says in the written law you need a Thai licence if you are on immigrant visa.  There is no consideration given to the idea of anyone" living in Thailand " 

I specifically confirmed this at the police station too. All retirees are good for the year. 

 

 

geneva convention of 1949

 

 

• driving licences issued by a contracting party shall be recognised in the territory of another contracting party until this territory becomes the place of normal residence of their holder;

[stud858]

1 minute ago, PoorSucker said:

geneva convention of 1949

 

 

• driving licences issued by a contracting party shall be recognised in the territory of another contracting party until this territory becomes the place of normal residence of their holder;

Right, immigrant visa.

[sananeamk0715]

10 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Probably. But best to download one from the from a real immigration website. https://www.immigration.go.th/download/1486548460783.doc

Here is a PDF version of it.TM30 Form Notification of aliens staying at a residence

Also complete this form. Application For Certificate Of Residency

 

27 minutes ago, PoorSucker said:

geneva convention of 1949

 

 

• driving licences issued by a contracting party shall be recognised in the territory of another contracting party until this territory becomes the place of normal residence of their holder;

 

I have Non-B visa but still waiting my work permit. May be 2-3 weeks later I'll get my work permit. So I feel like I can make Thai driver license or can get certificate of residence.

 

In this TM30 form.

 

red circle fill out from landlord and black circle fill out from me? Am I rite? and all write in english right? no thai.

 

 

[Tanoshi]

It can be completed in English or Thai.

The form can be completed by the 'House Master, Owner or Possessor of residence' (see under signature)

As the 'tenant' you are also the 'possessor' of the residence so you can complete the form yourself.

 

The bottom section 'Receipt of Notification' (which you have circled red) is left blank for Immigration to complete.

They return that portion of the form to you as proof of making the report.

 

If you complete and submit the form, the office will probably still require some form of proof of address, such as a rental contract and/or signed copies of the landlords Tabien Baan and ID card.

[sananeamk0715]

4 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

It can be completed in English or Thai.

The form can be completed by the 'House Master, Owner or Possessor of residence' (see under signature)

As the 'tenant' you are also the 'possessor' of the residence so you can complete the form yourself.

 

The bottom section 'Receipt of Notification' (which you have circled red) is left blank for Immigration to complete.

They return that portion of the form to you as proof of making the report.

 

If you complete and submit the form, the office will probably still require some form of proof of address, such as a rental contract and/or signed copies of the landlords Tabien Baan and ID card.

 

So util the receipt of notification everything fill out from landlord. and which one I circled in red complete from officer.

 

am I right?

I'll ask landlord write one in Thai one in English just in case. Also I'll copy his Tabien Baan and id card but i don't have rental contract. I hope it will be ok.

[PoorSucker]

44 minutes ago, stud858 said:

Right, immigrant visa.

There is no immigrant visa, you can get a non-immigrant visa. 

[stud858]

7 minutes ago, PoorSucker said:

There is no immigrant visa, you can get a non-immigrant visa. 

An immigrant visa is given to someone to live permanently in Thailand.  There is a thread on TV about one chap who has followed through the permanent residence route. A non immigrant visa is given to someone wirh their permanent or "normal" address outside of Thailand.  Such as on basis of retiring with extensions of stay.

 

There's a seperatel thread where I have laid out everything and answered peoples concerns. 

 

[rumak]

2 hours ago, BobTH said:

It would probably be a good idea to also take your last Receipt of Notification from your last 90 Day Report. At least they want to see that at Changwattana Immigration office in Bangkok when applying for a Residence Certificate. I am not sure if it is needed  at the Surat Thani  Office or not.

Also bring your first born ........ 

[PoorSucker]

1 minute ago, stud858 said:

An immigrant visa is given to someone to live permanently in Thailand.  There is a thread on TV about one chap who has followed through the permanent residence route. A non immigrant visa is given to someone wirh their permanent or "normal" address outside of Thailand.  Such as on basis of retiring with extensions of stay.

 

It's still not a visa, visas are issued by consulates abroad. 

In a lawsuit your argument that you don't hold your normal residence (geneva convention) in Thailand will not hold. 

Your argument that the local police said it was OK is worth nothing, bet he does know where Geneva is or what it is. ?

[sananeamk0715]

hello

 

1 minute ago, PoorSucker said:

It's still not a visa, visas are issued by consulates abroad. 

In a lawsuit your argument that you don't hold your normal residence (geneva convention) in Thailand will not hold. 

Your argument that the local police said it was OK is worth nothing, bet he does know where Geneva is or what it is. ?

 

16 minutes ago, sananeamk0715 said:

 

So util the receipt of notification everything fill out from landlord. and which one I circled in red complete from officer.

 

am I right?

I'll ask landlord write one in Thai one in English just in case. Also I'll copy his Tabien Baan and id card but i don't have rental contract. I hope it will be ok.

 

[Tanoshi]

5 minutes ago, stud858 said:

An immigrant visa is given to someone to live permanently in Thailand.  There is a thread on TV about one chap who has followed through the permanent residence route. A non immigrant visa is given to someone wirh their permanent or "normal" address outside of Thailand.  Such as on basis of retiring with extensions of stay.

 

Under common law courts your normal or 'ordinary residence" is not a phrase capable of precise definition. At its simplest level, ordinary residence connotes something more than mere temporary presence in a place. It refers to the place in which a person's lifestyle is centred and to which the person regularly returns if his or her presence is not continuous.

 

Regardless of what Visa you hold, if you stay in Thailand more than in any other place, then it is considered your 'ordinary residence'.

[stud858]

1 minute ago, Tanoshi said:

Under common law courts your normal or 'ordinary residence" is not a phrase capable of precise definition. At its simplest level, ordinary residence connotes something more than mere temporary presence in a place. It refers to the place in which a person's lifestyle is centred and to which the person regularly returns if his or her presence is not continuous.

 

Regardless of what Visa you hold, if you stay in Thailand more than in any other place, then it is considered your 'ordinary residence'.

I agree with your first paragraph, but not your second. 

 

I have been in Thailand for 8 months of the year.  Legally though if I state my permanent primary and normal residency to be outside of Thailand diue to me being a permanent Citizen of Oz then that will be my normal address for legality. Regardless of my tourist or non immigrant. Type visa..

 

[Tanoshi]

33 minutes ago, stud858 said:

I have been in Thailand for 8 months of the year.  Legally though if I state my permanent primary and normal residency to be outside of Thailand diue to me being a permanent Citizen of Oz then that will be my normal address for legality. Regardless of my tourist or non immigrant. Type visa..

You'd lose that argument with your own government and Centrelink.

If you weren't living in Australia on a permanent basis at the time of claiming state pension, your claim would be refused on the grounds you were not permanently resident, your 'ordinary residence' being deemed to be Thailand.

 

Going back to Poor Suckers post;

Quote

geneva convention of 1949

 

driving licences issued by a contracting party shall be recognised in the territory of another contracting party until this territory becomes the place of normal residence of their holder;

As your normal/ordinary residency is deemed to be in Thailand you should obtain a Thai Driving licence.

[stud858]

8 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

 

9 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

You'd lose that argument with your own government and Centrelink.

If you weren't living in Australia on a permanent basis at the time of claiming state pension, your claim would be refused on the grounds you were not permanently resident, your 'ordinary residence' being deemed to be Thailand.

 

Going back to Poor Suckers post;

As your normal/ordinary residency is deemed to be in Thailand you should obtain a Thai Driving licence.

My permanent address would not change. It is still Australia, but payments would stop because I am out of the country.  Different issue.

 

It's in the very definition of the words.

Non immigrant = guest in the country.

How can your normal permanent address be in Thailand when you are a guest?

Immigrant,  on the other hand.  Yes. 

[PoorSucker]

1 hour ago, stud858 said:

 

My permanent address would not change. It is still Australia, but payments would stop because I am out of the country.  Different issue.

 

It's in the very definition of the words.

Non immigrant = guest in the country.

How can your normal permanent address be in Thailand when you are a guest?

Immigrant,  on the other hand.  Yes. 

The geneva convention says "the place of normal residence of their holder;",  nothing about permanent adress. 

 

My permanent address from my home countries is Thailand even though I don't have permanent residency. 

[PoorSucker]

2 hours ago, sananeamk0715 said:

 

In this TM30 form.

 

Samui immigration looked at this form and told me to do it online, didn't want it. 

 

On Samui WP is processed within seven days. 

[PoorSucker]

Let's try to get this topic on topic. 

It's about residence certificate. 

The IDP threads have been done to death in the motoring forum. 

 

Further posts about validity of IDP or your home country license will be deleted without notice. 

[Tanoshi]

2 hours ago, sananeamk0715 said:

 

So util the receipt of notification everything fill out from landlord. and which one I circled in red complete from officer.

 

am I right?

I'll ask landlord write one in Thai one in English just in case. Also I'll copy his Tabien Baan and id card but i don't have rental contract. I hope it will be ok.

OR

 

2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

As the 'tenant' you are also the 'possessor' of the residence so you can complete the form yourself.

 

[stud858]

41 minutes ago, PoorSucker said:

The geneva convention says "the place of normal residence of their holder;",  nothing about permanent adress. 

 

My permanent address from my home countries is Thailand even though I don't have permanent residency. 

Your residence in Thailand is not normal.  It is special. An additional address you use as a guest in a country. These terms are used in a legal definition. Not day to day conversation. If you are an immigrant then it becomes normal.  Sorry. Just noticed your post further down.

You can delete me.  No probs

 

[sananeamk0715]

35 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

OR

 

 

 

1 hour ago, PoorSucker said:

Let's try to get this topic on topic. 

It's about residence certificate. 

The IDP threads have been done to death in the motoring forum. 

 

Further posts about validity of IDP or your home country license will be deleted without notice. 

Yes I can fill out myself but as u see in picture red circle there is landlord name. I don't know his name, age etc. lol If I write just random name afraid immigratin later call them.

 

I just talked my landlord. I told him I need u fill out form, taben baan copy and ur id card copy but he said now he have to somewhere tomorrow morning can do. Immigration office open at 8 am. So he said we can meet 6 am but at 6 am where i can find copy for taben baan and id card? lol

 

So i hope immigration accept if only give them TM 30 form.

 

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Actually that shop which one i rent my motorbike for 1 month. He said just go immigration with passport and 2 photo they'll give u certificate of residence but i can't believe. also im not in surat thani center 1 hour far away. So tomorrow im just free other days work mon-friday no time for weekdays. Afraid drive 1 hour and comeback with nothing.

 

 

[Tanoshi]

No, your name, your age, your nationality.

Your completing the form as the Possessor.

 

NOTIFICATION FROM FOR HOUSE-MASTER, OWNER OR THE POSSESSOR OF THE RESIDENCE

WHERE ALIEN HAS STAYED

 

If you don't have a rental contract, then a signed copy of the landlords Tabien Baan and ID card will almost certainly be required. They need proof of the residence you state is your address.

 

 

There is also a second sheet to complete. Open the pdf and scroll down.

บัญชีรายชื่อคนต่างด้าวที่เข้าพักอาศัย

NAME OF ALIENS IN RESIDENCE

 

[sananeamk0715]

6 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

No, your name, your age, your nationality.

Your completing the form as the Possessor.

 

NOTIFICATION FROM FOR HOUSE-MASTER, OWNER OR THE POSSESSOR OF THE RESIDENCE

WHERE ALIEN HAS STAYED

 

If you don't have a rental contract, then a signed copy of the landlords Tabien Baan and ID card will almost certainly be required. They need proof of the address you state is your address.

 

 

There is also a second sheet to complete. Open the pdf and scroll down.

บัญชีรายชื่อคนต่างด้าวที่เข้าพักอาศัย

NAME OF ALIENS IN RESIDENCE

 

Okay i just back from landlord home. firstly i dont have contract.

 

he give to me copy of tabien baan and his id card. he signature both of them and write something in thai. i guess hes name etc.

 

but about tm30 form;

 

he fill out tm 30 form. but i guess i did tm 30 form wrong. can u check pictures? i asked him fill out all himself. i asked him one thai one in english just in case.

 

 

[Tanoshi]

Use the second form in Thai, it has the full address, unlike the English version.

 

He's left the day/month blank. Insert todays date if your going tomorrow 9th August.

By law it should be filed within 24 hours of arrival at the premises, otherwise you could be fined.

They have no idea what date you arrived other than the date you put on the form.

 

Did he/have you completed your details on the form that should be attached with it.

ลำดับ

NO

ชื่อคนต่างด้าว

Name and Surname

สัญชาติ

Nationality

หนังสือเดินทาง

Passport No.

วันเดินทางเข้า

Date of Arrival

ประเภทวีซ่า

Type of Visa

ครบกำหนดอนุญาต

Expire date of stay

ช่องทางเข้า

Point of entry

บัตรขาเข้าเลขที่

Arrival card TM.No.

ความเกี่ยวพัน

Relationship

[sananeamk0715]

2 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Use the second form in Thai, it has the full address, unlike the English version.

 

He's left the day/month blank. Insert todays date if your going tomorrow 9th August.

By law it should be filed within 24 hours of arrival at the premises, otherwise you could be fined.

They have no idea what date you arrived other than the date you put on the form.

Yes but i dont think so any of landlord complate that form and give to immigration. 

 

but about the fill out part are correct? am i need to fill out anywhere else?

[sananeamk0715]

9 hours ago, PoorSucker said:

I did that. 

Now i did also.

 

tomorrow go surat thani immigration. i feel like when ask them certificate of residence they'll check that information then give me certificate of residence.

 

but just in case I'll bring banien taan copy, landlord id card copy, tm30 form fill out from landlord in thai and english.