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Control immigration, but keep workers coming: UK employers

By William Schomberg

 

FILE PHOTO: UK Border control is seen in Terminal 2 at Heathrow Airport in London June 4, 2014. REUTERS/Neil Hall/File Photo

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's leading employers' group said on Friday it accepted that Prime Minister Theresa May would need to impose controls on EU citizens working in the UK after Brexit, but new immigration rules must not stop companies from hiring the staff they need.

 

The Confederation of British Industry (CBI) -- which has angered Brexit supporters with its pro-EU views -- acknowledged the concerns many voters have about immigration.

 

"We accept freedom of movement is over. We accept there needs to be an element of control," said Josh Hardie, CBI deputy director-general. "But we are absolutely clear that immigration delivers huge economic value to the UK, so it needs to be open."

 

With the government working on its post-Brexit immigration policies, the CBI said in a report that a careful balance had to be struck.

 

It said compulsory registration of EU citizens who enter the UK - which has not been required until now - would be an important step towards establishing firmer control of immigration and raising public trust that the issue was in hand.

 

"Registering EU nationals allows the UK to ensure that they are contributing to the economy and society if they want to stay for a longer period of time. The UK will need a way to ensure that only EU nationals that are contributing stay in the longer-term," the report said.

 

It acknowledged the difficulty and sensitivity of achieving that goal, but said "ensuring that everyone who comes to the UK is contributing is an important part of ending free movement as it has operated to date".

 

At the same time, local workers should be prioritised for jobs when unemployment in specific professions rose above a certain level.

 

In response to the report, the government said it was considering a range of options to control its borders while continuing to attract and retain workers who benefit Britain.

 

The CBI said the world's fifth-biggest economy would still need migrants from the EU and beyond after it leaves the bloc in March.

 

Half of London's construction workers are not from Britain and more than one in four employees in banking and finance in the capital are non-UK citizens -- 17 percent from the EU and 11 percent from the rest of the world, it said.

 

A quarter of staff, or 113,000 people, who work in warehouses in Britain are EU nationals.

 

There are already signs that Brexit has put workers off coming to the country -- in the 12 months to March this year, only 805 EU nurses and midwives registered to work in the health service, down sharply from 6,382 a year earlier, the report said.

 

The government had to change the often hostile debate about migration which most economists say has been positive, so far, for the economy and public finances, the CBI said.

 

"In these febrile times, it's vital that a policy of such importance for the UK's future living standards can be discussed without ideology or an oversimplification of public attitudes," Hardie said.

 

The CBI said migration had to be part of future trade talks with countries around the world to help open up new markets.

That would mean an overhaul of Britain's complex visa system for non-EU workers.

 

The government should drop its target of cutting net migration below 100,000 people a year -- which it has repeatedly missed -- and replace it with a system that ensures migrant workers contribute to the economy, the CBI said.

 

The government said in its response to the CBI report that it was committed to bringing net migration down to "tens of thousands".

 

(Reporting by William Schomberg, editing by Andy Bruce and Mark Trevelyan)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-08-10

[Bluespunk]

22 minutes ago, webfact said:

in the 12 months to March this year, only 805 EU nurses and midwives registered to work in the health service, down sharply from 6,382 a year earlier, the report said.

Well, surely that is a short term problem.

 

After all the brexiteers promised 350 million pounds a week from eu contribution would be given to the nhs didn’t they?

 

Once that kicks in all will be fine. 

 

Now when will that be again...

Edited August 9, 2018 by Bluespunk

[BuaBS]

If they need to import workers , this must mean that there is no unemployment in the UK . Haha.

[jamie2009]

Of course construction companies want too import labour, pay them low wages and saves them the cost of training apprentices.

Let them come but pay them the National recognised rates of pay and for every 4/5 foreign workers they employ make them employ an apprentice.

[from the home of CC]

It's a conundrum for sure. In Canada if we didn't use foreign workers a lot of produce would sit in the fields and rot. Lots of young Canadians would feel belittled to have to use their hands to earn a living, they want to go to university and then become wealthy. Truth is many graduates (depending on field of study) end up in minimum wage positions. Part of the reason our apprenticeship programs (for the trades) fall short.

[connda]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

A quarter of staff, or 113,000 people, who work in warehouses in Britain are EU nationals.

There are probably 113,000 out-of-work Brits who could use those jobs. 

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, connda said:

There are probably 113,000 out-of-work Brits who could use those jobs. 

They need only apply.

[jamie2009]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

They need only apply.

The majority of these jobs are on zero hours contracts where no hours of work are guaranteed not ideal if you have bills too pay.

Did you watch the recent documentaries on how Amazon and Direct Sport treat the people who are employed by them, it was like going back too the dark ages. 

Companies like too employ foreign workers, they are afraid too speak out in case they get fired.

[dunroaming]

6 hours ago, BuaBS said:

If they need to import workers , this must mean that there is no unemployment in the UK . Haha.

Unemployment in the UK is very low but there are still people out of work.  Not aware of any British doctors or nurses sitting there playing computer games day after day though so how do you propose replacing the EU ones that are not coming to do the work?

 

Not just the professionals either.  The agricultural workers and the builders as well, because the UK is struggling to get enough of them now, let alone after Brexit.

Edited August 10, 2018 by dunroaming

[nausea]

Have your cake and eat it; well, good luck with that. Until Brits disconnect the umbilical cord, and I, for one, was quite happy as a student doing physically laborious jobs at minimal pay, there's no hope. I was young, physical labour wasn't a problem, and you could up your income by piece work. Got a bonus a couple of times cos we went on and above, just the joy of testing your body.

[baansgr]

9 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Well, surely that is a short term problem.

 

After all the brexiteers promised 350 million pounds a week from eu contribution would be given to the nhs didn’t they?

 

Once that kicks in all will be fine. 

 

Now when will that be again...

That statement on the bus has been debated a million times over and even remainers admit it dosnt say that.

[dunroaming]

4 minutes ago, nausea said:

Have your cake and eat it; well, good luck with that. Until Brits disconnect the umbilical cord, and I, for one, was quite happy as a student doing physically laborious jobs at minimal pay, there's no hope. I was young, physical labour wasn't a problem, and you could up your income by piece work. Got a bonus a couple of times cos we went on and above, just the joy of testing your body.

Unfortunately today the young have little incentive to work but plenty of incentive to stay at home and play on their devices.

[dunroaming]

4 minutes ago, baansgr said:

That statement on the bus has been debated a million times over and even remainers admit it dosnt say that.

And it has also been debated a million times that it wasn't what was said on the bus,  that was just the innuendo.  It was Johnson, Fox, Gove and the others  who stood next to the bus spouting that the money could be spent on the NHS.

[Bluespunk]

10 minutes ago, baansgr said:

That statement on the bus has been debated a million times over and even remainers admit it dosnt say that.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/brexit-latest-nhs-england-350-million-per-week-pledge-eu-simon-stevens-brussels-a8043191.html

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/18/boris-johnson-350-million-claim-bogus-foreign-secretary

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html

 

 

 

Edited August 10, 2018 by Bluespunk

[baansgr]

46 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Unemployment in the UK is very low but there are still people out of work.  Not aware of any British doctors or nurses sitting there playing computer games day after day though so how do you propose replacing the EU ones that are not coming to do the work?

 

Not just the professionals either.  The agricultural workers and the builders as well, because the UK is struggling to get enough of them now, let alone after Brexit.

Wage suppression on menial positions will dissappear. When employers realise they have to pay a salary with benefits they will be filled easy enough, never was a problem befor free movement so wont be a problem again.

[baansgr]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/brexit-latest-nhs-england-350-million-per-week-pledge-eu-simon-stevens-brussels-a8043191.html

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/18/boris-johnson-350-million-claim-bogus-foreign-secretary

 

 

 

Still doesnt say that amount will be spent on the NHS, as said its been debated many times and remainers admit it dosnt say that

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, baansgr said:

Still doesnt say that amount will be spent on the NHS, as said its been debated many times and remainers admit it dosnt say that

The deliberately misleading nature of that lie was later exposed, I’ll give you that. 

[jamie2009]

22 minutes ago, nausea said:

Have your cake and eat it; well, good luck with that. Until Brits disconnect the umbilical cord, and I, for one, was quite happy as a student doing physically laborious jobs at minimal pay, there's no hope. I was young, physical labour wasn't a problem, and you could up your income by piece work. Got a bonus a couple of times cos we went on and above, just the joy of testing your body.

Too much emphasis on University Degrees which some at the end of the day don’t count for nothing and loads of debt.

By the time the kids reach 21 most have never done a days work and have no idea what work ethics is about.

For me University Education should only be for the Medicine, Sciences and Engineering degrees.

Apprenticeships for skilled trades not working in a supermarket etc, I left school at 16. Served a 5 year Electrcal Apprenticeship got basic qualifications but like many others I could work with my hands and had a good eye for detail, no University Degree required and decent salaries with no debt.

 

[baansgr]

26 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The deliberately misleading nature of that lie was later exposed, I’ll give you that. 

Well the NHS will need every penny as the remainers believe we are all doomed to catch super STDs after brexit, ?

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Well the NHS will need every penny as the remainers believe we are all doomed to catch super STDs after brexit, ?

Ah good to see the brexiteers still making stuff up. 

Edited August 10, 2018 by Bluespunk

[dunroaming]

46 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Wage suppression on menial positions will dissappear. When employers realise they have to pay a salary with benefits they will be filled easy enough, never was a problem befor free movement so wont be a problem again.

You mean over forty years ago?   ?

[baansgr]

44 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

You mean over forty years ago?   ?

I think most people are educated and sensible enough to know its only the past 15 or so years.