UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[mommysboy]

Labour leavers appear to be backtracking!  If true, Labour will have to respond.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-final-say-referendum-labour-leave-eu-jess-phillips-a8615011.html

 

 

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

15 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

No the results were quiet clear?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/results

 

Unless you are proposing that those that voted had no legitimate right?

 

Also how will you deal with a hard border with the UK and the removal of all our defence spending in your ship yards. I assume you would try to Join the EU and your citizens would then have to apply for work permits?

 

 

The result was clear 56% - 44% to remain part of the union. I am not contesting that nor was RR or Grouse. What I was contesting (and requesting info to support) was the view that native Scottish voters among the electorate voted to leave and that those who are able to vote within Scotland are comprised by many other demographics - who tipped the balance and swayed the result in favour of remaining.

 

I'm interested to know if that is actually the case so was asking for any links / evidence to support it. Particularly non-partisan sources, NGO an governmental surveys for comparison etc. I'm not Scottish, I'm an Englishman, so judging by the above comment I think your confusing my nationality???

 

I don't want to see Scotland leave our union just to join a less holy European one where they'd have less influence, less prosperity and less in common with their fellow members. Scots have been a crucial part of the UK for 300 years, I for one do not want to see them leave. That would be very s**t.

Edited November 3, 2018 by CanterbrigianBangkoker

[tebee]

Why is everything that surrounds Brexit permeated by mendacity and fraud ?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/02/david-shipley-brexit-the-movie-producer-charged-fraud

 

A hedge fund executive who produced a feature-length Brexit film encouraging Britons to vote leave in the 2016 EU referendum has appeared in court charged with committing a fraud of more than £500,000.

David Shipley, 36, is alleged to have committed fraud by false representation by Photoshopping his wage slips to make it appear he was paid much more than he really was in order to secure a loan approval.

 

More than 2 million people watched Brexit: The Movie, which was released a month before the referendum and designed to “inspire as many people as possible to vote to leave the EU in the 23 June referendum”. The former Ukip leader Nigel Farage was among a clutch of Brexiters who attended the film’s premiere at the Leicester Square Odeon in London on 11 May 2016.

[tebee]

 

[vinny41]

15 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Labour leavers appear to be backtracking!  If true, Labour will have to respond.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-final-say-referendum-labour-leave-eu-jess-phillips-a8615011.html

 

 

and if anyone checks the YouGov website no such poll exists so no one can check

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/results#/

[rixalex]

14 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Well Tories would be most likely to strip away much of the EU legislation that supports workers' rights, and tend to do as little for social welfare as can be got away with. It might be a different story if Labour are in power, but the UK tends to be Tory.

Kwilco states as a matter of fact that workers will have less rights if the UK is out of the EU.

 

You can speculate on what the Tories would do, but you really don't know. They have stated that they intend to maintain them. Maybe they are lying. Maybe they aren't. There's only one way to find out.

 

At the end of the day, outside of the EU, it will be up to the country what the workers' rights are. I'm ok with that as i really do think we are capable of deciding this stuff for ourselves.

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

Nigel Farage is 'person of interest' in FBI investigation into Trump and Russia

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/01/nigel-farage-is-person-of-interest-in-fbi-investigation-into-trump-and-russia

Notice the date Friday 2nd June 2017 

And its strange that the FBI would only leak this information to 

John O'Connell
@jdpoc
Founder & Editor at http://www.farrightwatch.net . Campaigner against Racism & Hate Speech, Entrepreneur, Biker, Minimalist, PTSD Mentor & Substance Abuse Counsellor.

I guess the FBI doesn't trust the USA media anymore

 

Edited November 3, 2018 by vinny41

[My Thai Life]

8 minutes ago, tebee said:

Why is everything that surrounds Brexit permeated by mendacity and fraud ?

It isn't. But your line quoted here clearly is untrue.

[vinny41]

Brexit: Why Remainers have reason to keep hoping for a second referendum

For ardent Remainers like that woman and Freddie, the current chatter about the likelihood of a no-deal Brexit is a cause for hope. They believe that if the prime minister is unable to secure a deal parliament will vote against leaving the EU without an agreement.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/brexit-why-remainers-have-reason-to-keep-hoping-for-a-second-referendum-1.3643871

[rixalex]

9 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

It isn't. But your line quoted here clearly is untrue.

The other day tebee stated that Abbot got a better degree than May. Somebody posted the actual truth. He just ignored it. I think he just throws stuff at the wall and sees what sticks.

[kwilco]

4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

When the UK is out of the EU and the Irish Trucks get off the ferries at Liverpool and Holyhead, Fishguard , and Pembroke they can be made to wait at the back of the queue just like the French are proposing for UK plated trucks

Why they don't need processing - they shouldn't even have to stop.... but if that happened they would just switch to Rosslaire - that'd put a few people out of pointless jobs in the UK wouldn't it?

 

UK trucks aren't going to be "made to wait" they HAVE to wait as unlike the EU trucks, they have paperwork to be sorted - this is essentially fake news or you know too little about RO-RO to understand the situation?

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Why they don't need processing - they shouldn't even have to stop.... but if that happened they would just switch to Rosslaire - that'd put a few people out of pointless jobs in the UK wouldn't it?

 

UK trucks aren't going to be "made to wait" they HAVE to wait as unlike the EU trucks, they have paperwork to be sorted - this is essentially fake news or you know too little about RO-RO to understand the situation?

Rosslaire is the ferry port in the Republic of Ireland Irish Trucks could be made to wait at Pembroke which is in Wales

Trucks from the Republic of Ireland that want to use there new special agreement in Calais have to travel through Wales and England to reach Dover

http://www.ferriestoireland.net/ferry-crossings-to-ireland.htm

[vinny41]

24 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Why they don't need processing - they shouldn't even have to stop.... but if that happened they would just switch to Rosslaire - that'd put a few people out of pointless jobs in the UK wouldn't it?

 

UK trucks aren't going to be "made to wait" they HAVE to wait as unlike the EU trucks, they have paperwork to be sorted - this is essentially fake news or you know too little about RO-RO to understand the situation?

Clearly you are the one that doesn't understand I take you are aware of Dublin building a new ferry to bypass the UK in the event of no deal Brexit but that solution didn't go down well with the French or the Irish Truckers

Brexit-busting’ ferry launched from Dublin Port

Hundreds attend christening of world’s largest short sea roll-on roll-off vessel

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/brexit-busting-ferry-launched-from-dublin-port-1.3468760

 

UNACCEPTABLE' French FURY over EU plan to EXCLUDE French ports in post-Brexit trade route

FRANCE is on collision course with the European Commission after it excluded French ports as part of its plans for a new shipping route linking Ireland with the bloc post-Brexit.

The new route would connect Ireland by sea with Dutch and Belgian ports including Zeebrugge and Rotterdam.

However French ports such as Calais and Dunkirk would be bypassed.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1002236/Brexit-news-France-ports-ireland-Brexit-eu-shipping-route-UK-trade

French TERRIFIED of Hard Brexit: ‘Don’t punish the British’ port cities urge Macron

FRANCE’S northern ports have demanded a bespoke Brexit trade deal, as without one, local industries could be decimated, they warn.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/899124/Emmanuel-Macron-France-hard-Brexit-deal-ports-Hauts-de-France-Calais-Dunkirk-Boulogne

 

Edited November 3, 2018 by vinny41

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

Why is everything that surrounds Brexit permeated by mendacity and fraud ?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/02/david-shipley-brexit-the-movie-producer-charged-fraud

 

A hedge fund executive who produced a feature-length Brexit film encouraging Britons to vote leave in the 2016 EU referendum has appeared in court charged with committing a fraud of more than £500,000.

David Shipley, 36, is alleged to have committed fraud by false representation by Photoshopping his wage slips to make it appear he was paid much more than he really was in order to secure a loan approval.

 

More than 2 million people watched Brexit: The Movie, which was released a month before the referendum and designed to “inspire as many people as possible to vote to leave the EU in the 23 June referendum”. The former Ukip leader Nigel Farage was among a clutch of Brexiters who attended the film’s premiere at the Leicester Square Odeon in London on 11 May 2016.

Only 2 million watched it? What a pity.

[nauseus]

41 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Why they don't need processing - they shouldn't even have to stop.... but if that happened they would just switch to Rosslaire - that'd put a few people out of pointless jobs in the UK wouldn't it?

 

UK trucks aren't going to be "made to wait" they HAVE to wait as unlike the EU trucks, they have paperwork to be sorted - this is essentially fake news or you know too little about RO-RO to understand the situation?

There aren't enough boats with capacity to "just switch". Good new business for someone through. Norway? 

[nauseus]

52 minutes ago, rixalex said:

The other day tebee stated that Abbot got a better degree than May. Somebody posted the actual truth. He just ignored it. I think he just throws stuff at the wall and sees what sticks.

Degree of incompetence?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

 

John O'Connell - self-styled anti far right nutter with 2870 followers - posts nothing but this sort of doo.

 

Must be a hero of yours, Tebee? 

[SheungWan]

On 11/1/2018 at 7:43 AM, Patriot1066 said:

I work in the City

Costa or Caffe Nero?

[nontabury]

16 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Your the one that doesn't get you choose to ignore the fact the EU nationals have more rights in the UK than Uk Nationals

IT'S NOT RIGHT 

6million EU citizens in UK will have MORE rights than Brits after Brexit under Brussels plans

A think tank warned that EU proposals would give Europeans in the UK disproportionate rights

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3792399/6million-eu-citizens-in-uk-will-have-more-rights-than-brits-after-brexit-under-brussels-plans/

 

Brexiteer MP Jacob Rees-Mogg lashed out at the new findings comparing EU citizens in the UK to "colonial occupiers".

He said: "You could not have a situation here where an EU citizen living in the UK had more rights than a British citizen. That would give them the status of colonial occupiers."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/860487/brexit-news-eu-citizens-more-rights-than-british-legal-system

 

 

And some people wonder why the Brits voted to escape the dictatorial E.U.

They could have also mentioned how British tax paying ex-pats are discriminated against,when it comes to British university education.

 

It makes me realise how we have been played by the Bureaucrats, with the help of people such as John Major, and to be fair how stupid we the British people have been, in allowing ourselves to be basically conned by these treacherous europhiles.

 

 

[nontabury]

13 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Brit temporary workers have got a bad name- some don't turn up for work, are lazy, or incompetent. It's very bad luck for the ones that are genuine.

Don’t beleive everything you read in the papers.

[nontabury]

9 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

Yes these wage rates are so low due to large scale cheap imported labour driving down wages, what's your point? 

 

Brexit should sort this mess out!

My point is that we are continuously told that unemployment is very low, partly as a result of our membership of the E.U, and that E.U regulations protect workers rights. Unfortunately when you look at the facts,it become obvious that this is an illusion spouted by the Europhiles and big business.

 Will this situation change once we are free from the E.U ?  Probably not, however we will then be able to make our own laws in our own Parliament, and those laws will be interpreted by our own courts. 

[mommysboy]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

and if anyone checks the YouGov website no such poll exists so no one can check

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/results#/

Ah! Fake news.

[mommysboy]

26 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Don’t beleive everything you read in the papers.

I don't.

[Grouse]

11 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

Ouch???? 

 

Mr Grouse I expected and admission you were wrong but as a remainer you possibly may not be able to admit when you get things wrong? Unlike us Leavers who know we are always right in every circumstance!

 

I will forgive you though???? But remember since the Glorious 12th you are in season.

 

 

 

 

 

 

For god's sake man it was a joke!

 

Do I have to explain it to you publicly? 

 

????

[Grouse]

16 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

From my message "It is not the fault of the EU that we don't apply the statutes.

 

 BTW, Patriot, a statute is one of those big heavy things standing in parliament square."

The second paragraph is ironic. A leg pull! Sadly the leg came off. Sorry.

 

OK?

Edited November 3, 2018 by Grouse

[dick dasterdly]

23 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

I'm always left at a loss when it comes to these claims that the referendum/elections have been influenced by Cambridge Analytica/facebook etc.

 

How exactly did they manage to do so??

 

I can sort of understand that the youngsters are heavily invested in fb and the like, as they all seem permanently attached to their smartphones - and so have been possibly passing around propaganda amongst each other?  I'd even agree that more than a few older people (who should know better....) behave in the same way.

 

But I still don't understand how 'the influence by foreign entities' claim works?

 

20 hours ago, Grouse said:

Neural network based pattern recognition for targeted subliminal messaging.

 

Investigate. It's all there

 

(I wish I had thought of it!)

I'm still working my way through the numerous pages since my last visit, so forgive me if this has already been answered.

 

"Neural network based pattern recognition for targeted subliminal messaging."

 

Really?  Precisely how?  Genuine question, as I'm still at a loss as to how this can happen.

 

[mommysboy]

Note: The employers below would like to employ Brits.

 

Believe me- I am a Labour voter who doesn't side with worker bashing or support exploitation.  But one has to look at what is said and also glean from our own experience.  With students, however, I do believe they would probably work if the timing wasn't so bad.  What comes up time and again is poor work ethic.

 

I do think that lots of workers are simply physically unfit.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2521076/The-bosses-love-jobs-Brits-werent-LAZY.html

Edited November 3, 2018 by mommysboy

[Grouse]

4 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

I'm still working my way through the numerous pages since my last visit, so forgive me if this has already been answered.

 

"Neural network based pattern recognition for targeted subliminal messaging."

 

Really?  Precisely how?  Genuine question, as I'm still at a loss as to how this can happen.

 

In layman's terms, machine learning.

 

Run thousands or millions of records (such as those held by face-book) and unexpected patterns a corrolations may be found. Not necessarily causal of course. Maybe people who are pro American but anti EU are interested in mountain climbing and tend to choose the colour green

 

This enables targeted advertising or choice offerings. And this is why Facebook is rich

[Srikcir]

14 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

I'm still working my way through the numerous pages since my last visit, so forgive me if this has already been answered.

 

"Neural network based pattern recognition for targeted subliminal messaging."

 

Really?  Precisely how?  Genuine question, as I'm still at a loss as to how this can happen.

 

1) The Approach: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/23/17151916/facebook-cambridge-analytica-trump-diagram

2) The Execution: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-43674480/facebook-data-how-it-was-used-by-cambridge-analytica

[Patriot1066]

27 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

1) The Approach: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/23/17151916/facebook-cambridge-analytica-trump-diagram

2) The Execution: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-43674480/facebook-data-how-it-was-used-by-cambridge-analytica

O yea the BBC and Vox what totally irrelevant news sources.

 

Total remainer lefty supporting organisation.