Democrats face 'almost impossible map' to retake U.S. Senate

[mtls2005]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

FOX are doing so because they see the writing on the wall and they don’t want to be left supporting Trump as he’s dragged out of the White House.

 

They (Smith, Cavuto, Baier) on the News side seem to be hedging their bets a bit with a more "balanced" view lately, and this week particularly. I love when Cavuto reads emails from viewers - I sometimes forget how crazy and intellectually-challenged some of my fellow citizens are.

 

On the Opinion side? Meh. Lemmings.

 

The big question: when will Jeanine Piro replace Jefferson Beauregard Session III?

 

 

 

 

[underlordcthulhu]

On 8/24/2018 at 8:44 PM, Tug said:

I want to go surfing on the big blue wave!!!

I hope the weather is hot then, I could really use that blue drizzle hehe

[FritsSikkink]

3 hours ago, Sakeopete said:

He's not my president. 

If you can't see the racist and sexist part then there is no hope for you.

[sirineou]

4 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

You not caring that your president is a racist, women molester who cheated hard working people out of their money all his life says enough about you as a person. 

 Some people are for sale. Give them a couple of bucks and they don't care what you do.

[Monomial]

The problem the Democrats are actually facing is that they have yet to accept why they lost and actually do something about it. The average Trump voter from 2016 doesn't even like Trump. They aren't going to be swayed by the stories of his guilt from the media. They voted for Trump because the hate the status quo. Trump's crimes are mostly irrelevant to everyone except the people who already hate him.

 

Unless the Democrats put up candidates that promise to upset the status quo on the same or greater level than Trump, they aren't going to win. It is really very simple. The Democrats are their own worst enemy. Any candidate that stands a chance of actually winning these Senate seats away from the Republicans is never going to be selected to run by the Democrats.

 

So unless and until the Democrats get their collective heads out of their south mouth, they are going to be stuck in this position. It's not Trump or the Republicans they need to beat this year. It's their own platform and leadership.

 

 

 

[notmyself]

On ‎8‎/‎25‎/‎2018 at 4:25 AM, neeray said:

IMHO, there is a good chance that major sh*t will hit the fan before the mid terms. Anything is possible between now and then both for Trump and for the outcome of the election.

The Trump house is rapidly collapsing like a house of cards.

 

Yep.

 

There was some talk a while back about gaining the Senate but gone fairly quiet now because the chances are very low.

 

 

 

[mtls2005]

5 hours ago, Monomial said:

The problem the Democrats are actually facing is that they have yet to accept why they lost and actually do something about it.

 

2016 Presidential Election
Candidate    Party    Popular Votes
Donald J. Trump    Republican    62,980,160
Hillary R. Clinton    Democratic    65,845,063
Gary Johnson    Libertarian    4,488,931
Jill Stein    Green    1,457,050

 

Everyone has accepted that tRUmp lost the popular vote, it seems like tRUmp voters who can't seem to move on?

 

 

But yes, 35 individual Senate races in 2018 is very different.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Who takes the Senate is interesting but not the big issue.

 

Trump is heading for the door, Pence is implicated in many of the same ‘alleged’ crimes as Trump.

 

Pence resigning is a distinct possibility, if that happens and plays out as Pence resigning then Trump being removed (by resignation or impeachment), the Presidency is taken by the Speaker of the House.

 

Paul Ryan understands this and yet is still stepping down.

 

In the light of the criminal investigations surrounding Trump, Pence and the Republicans the mid term election issue is who takes the House.

 

Who takes the House might verywell determine who becomes the next President of the US.

Edited August 27, 2018 by Chomper Higgot

[Monomial]

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

 

2016 Presidential Election
Candidate    Party    Popular Votes
Donald J. Trump    Republican    62,980,160
Hillary R. Clinton    Democratic    65,845,063
Gary Johnson    Libertarian    4,488,931
Jill Stein    Green    1,457,050

 

Everyone has accepted that tRUmp lost the popular vote, it seems like tRUmp voters who can't seem to move on?

 

 

But yes, 35 individual Senate races in 2018 is very different.

 

 

 

While not the topic of this post, the 2016 results are very important to understanding this election. There are many ways to view the results of 2016. At the electoral college level, Trump won. Democrats don't like this result, so they prefer to consider popular vote. An actual analysis on a county by county level is more revealing however. Consider the following image from the actual 2016 election:

 

 

This shows unequivocally exactly where the Democratic support base lies. By and large, any place where Democrats have support already has Democratic senators. The country is basically a sea of red (Trump) in the rural areas, with islands of Democratic support in every major city and around the Mexican border areas.

 

This should tell everyone something about what is really going on. The Democratic support base is in the major cities, which is where the voters live that currently benefit from the status quo. In the rural areas, independent of state, the people are angry and are tired of the situation. They want actual change, and they don't care what needs to be done to get it. Certainly not some possible campaign violations or collusion that they feel every politician does anyway.

 

In order to win, the Democrats need to stop doing what they have been doing, and reach out to that sea of disenchantment in the rural areas. This is the challenge that they have. They have done absolutely nothing in 2 years to address the real reasons they lost. They have done nothing to tell those rural voters how they will disrupt the status quo. All they have done is concentrate on disparaging Trump, but the divide is so clear and obvious that this is irrelevant. If you are in a red area, all you will hear is that the media is on a witch hunt. If you are in a blue area, you will have your opinions confirmed.

 

It is the divide that is dangerous, and it is obvious where the fault line is. Rural = angry. Metropolitan = more of the same. It doesn't help to keep preaching about how many city dwellers support the Democrats. It is rural America that needs to be convinced, and that is where most of the critical Senate seats are being contested.

 

[mtls2005]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

who becomes the next President of the US

 

Given our current trajectory that might be The Rock, or a Kardashian?

 

 

[mtls2005]

3 minutes ago, Monomial said:

They have done absolutely nothing in 2 years to address the real reasons they lost. They have done nothing to tell those rural voters how they will disrupt the status quo. All they have done is concentrate on disparaging Trump, but the divide is so clear and obvious that this is irrelevant

 

"They, they, they"? As is if the Dems are as homogenized as the Repubs.

 

Are you even following the Congressional races? While not on-topic, Democrats are offering a much more diverse set of candidates, with wide-ranging ideas of shaking things up.

 

Republicans seem to be running on "fumes": economy, brown people, fear, judges, while avoiding taxes and health care.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Given our current trajectory that might be The Rock, or a Kardashian?

 

 

Under the scenario of Trump and Pence being remove/resigning and the Dems taking the House the next President would be Nancy Pelosi.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, Monomial said:

 

While not the topic of this post, the 2016 results are very important to understanding this election. There are many ways to view the results of 2016. At the electoral college level, Trump won. Democrats don't like this result, so they prefer to consider popular vote. An actual analysis on a county by county level is more revealing however. Consider the following image from the actual 2016 election:

 

 

This shows unequivocally exactly where the Democratic support base lies. By and large, any place where Democrats have support already has Democratic senators. The country is basically a sea of red (Trump) in the rural areas, with islands of Democratic support in every major city and around the Mexican border areas.

 

This should tell everyone something about what is really going on. The Democratic support base is in the major cities, which is where the voters live that currently benefit from the status quo. In the rural areas, independent of state, the people are angry and are tired of the situation. They want actual change, and they don't care what needs to be done to get it. Certainly not some possible campaign violations or collusion that they feel every politician does anyway.

 

In order to win, the Democrats need to stop doing what they have been doing, and reach out to that sea of disenchantment in the rural areas. This is the challenge that they have. They have done absolutely nothing in 2 years to address the real reasons they lost. They have done nothing to tell those rural voters how they will disrupt the status quo. All they have done is concentrate on disparaging Trump, but the divide is so clear and obvious that this is irrelevant. If you are in a red area, all you will hear is that the media is on a witch hunt. If you are in a blue area, you will have your opinions confirmed.

 

It is the divide that is dangerous, and it is obvious where the fault line is. Rural = angry. Metropolitan = more of the same. It doesn't help to keep preaching about how many city dwellers support the Democrats. It is rural America that needs to be convinced, and that is where most of the critical Senate seats are being contested.

 

Rural America where farmers are being offered government handouts instead of being allowed to earn a living - this as a direct result of Trump’s trade wars.

[neeray]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Trump is heading for the door, Pence is implicated in many of the same ‘alleged’ crimes as Trump.

Pence resigning is a distinct possibility, if that happens and plays out as Pence resigning then Trump being removed (by resignation or impeachment), the Presidency is taken by the Speaker of the House.

In the light of the criminal investigations surrounding Trump, Pence and the Republicans the mid term election issue is who takes the House.

(above edited for brevity on TVF)

I am going to stick my neck out (nothing new) and predict that Trump will resign before the end of this year. He will end up blaming the American legal system (already has) or the Dems and their sponsored "witch hunt".

Of course he will be magnanimous in his farewell speech and state that it is best for America (which he loves so dearly). He will announce that the stock market will crash the next day (which he already has predicted if he were to be impeached).

I say good riddance. Take your rag tag bunch with you.

This will truly be the beginning of draining of the swamp. Pull the plug (Trump = plug) and let the draining begin.

America is resilient. The country will recover if this long overdue change happens soon before too much more damage is done.

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, neeray said:

I am going to stick my neck out (nothing new) and predict that Trump will resign before the end of this year. He will end up blaming the American legal system (already has) or the Dems and their sponsored "witch hunt".

Of course he will be magnanimous in his farewell speech and state that it is best for America (which he loves so dearly). He will announce that the stock market will crash the next day (which he already has predicted if he were to be impeached).

I say good riddance. Take your rag tag bunch with you.

This will truly be the beginning of draining of the swamp. Pull the plug (Trump = plug) and let the draining begin.

America is resilient. The country will recover if this long overdue change happens soon before too much more damage is done.

 

Trump will resign when the SDNY investigation and court cases home in on his children.

 

Nothing he does between now and then is doing anything other than prolonging his own pain.

 

State charges will remain and continue- he and his spawn are going down.

[mtls2005]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Under the scenario of Trump and Pence being remove/resigning and the Dems taking the House the next President would be Nancy Pelosi.

 

I was thinking "elected", in 2020.

 

Can't see tRUmp and Pence getting shown the door simultaneously, more likely Pence46 chooses a VP (not Nancy Pelosi I think, but maybe he chooses Paul Ryan?), who would then be elevated to POTUS47 in the event that Pence 46 was removed. And that's not even mentioning that the next Speaker of the House may not be a Democrat, or if it is, that it will be Mrs. Pelosi.

 

FYI, Nancy Pelosi's father was a Congressman and Mayor of Baltimore, MD. Her brother was also Mayor of Baltimore.

 

Mrs. Pelosi (nee D'Alesandro) age 20...

 

 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2018 by mtls2005

[Monomial]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Rural America where farmers are being offered government handouts instead of being allowed to earn a living - this as a direct result of Trump’s trade wars.

 

You are making my argument for me. Like many, you are hung up on criticizing what Trump did wrong, or why Trump is bad. That is totally irrelevant until you address why Trump won to begin with. He won because people were so upset with the status quo, that they were willing to accept anything that might change it. Making arguments about how unpleasant that anything turned out to be doesn't matter. Unless and until the Democrats provide an option, they are not going to find a receptive audience.

 

So stop concentrating on Trump, and start concentrating on what went so wrong that people prefer the disaster that is Trump to anything else on offer.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Meanwhile FOX are putting even more distance between themselves and Trump, ramping up their efforts to recalibrate the heads of their illiberal viewers with Trump’s failings.

 

Even Trump’s supporters here on TVF are showing up less frequently and with ever more lackluster arguments in his defence.

 

The illiberal towel is being prepared to be thrown in.

 

Trump’s game is up.

[mtls2005]

7 minutes ago, Monomial said:

He won because people were so upset with the status quo

 

Well, a small percentage, fewer than a third of all registered voters, of the American public were only so upset because tRUmp told them that they should be.

 

Winning three states, by a total aggregate vote of 77,000, with help from a foreign adversary, while losing the popular vote is hardly a MANDATE. 306 Electoral votes pales in comparison to Nixon's 520 in 1972.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2018 by mtls2005

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Monomial said:

 

You are making my argument for me. Like many, you are hung up on criticizing what Trump did wrong, or why Trump is bad. That is totally irrelevant until you address why Trump won to begin with. He won because people were so upset with the status quo, that they were willing to accept anything that might change it. Making arguments about how unpleasant that anything turned out to be doesn't matter. Unless and until the Democrats provide an option, they are not going to find a receptive audience.

 

So stop concentrating on Trump, and start concentrating on what went so wrong that people prefer the disaster that is Trump to anything else on offer.

 

I don’t agree that people voted for change.

 

Trump’s campaign message was entirely against the unstoppable demographic and cultural change

of American society, an ‘extinction burst’ from fading white Privilage.

 

In the one are he promised change ‘draining the swamp’ he didn’t only fail, he actively appointed crooks.

 

His tax cut for the hyper wealthy at the expense of the poor and middle class is another example of him making the status quo worse.

 

 

[neeray]

32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Meanwhile FOX are putting even more distance between themselves and Trump, ramping up their efforts to recalibrate the heads of their illiberal viewers with Trump’s failings.

 

Even Trump’s supporters here on TVF are showing up less frequently and with ever more lackluster arguments in his defence.

 

The illiberal towel is being prepared to be thrown in.

 

Trump’s game is up.

Agreed, "Trump’s supporters here on TVF are showing up less frequently and with ever more lackluster arguments in his defence". A couple of those supporters even sent me a PM to inform me that I "can not talk about their president that way". One got quite indignant and threatened me (I was so scared). But now, he/she has all but vaporized. Hmm, I wonder why.

[neeray]

45 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

 

 

Mrs. Pelosi (nee D'Alesandro) age 20...

 

 

 

 

She keeps good company.

[attrayant]

11 hours ago, Monomial said:

[Trump] won because people were so upset with the status quo, that they were willing to accept anything that might change it.

 

If people were upset that Obama and his Congress spent eight years pulling us up out of the GWB recession and people wanted to change that, then people are really <deleted> stupid.

 

 

 

[Basil B]

On 8/25/2018 at 2:55 AM, Boon Mee said:

The election will be focused on immigration and since the Democrats are the party of Open Borders, that message won't resonate with the voters. 

 

We all know you are a die hard DT supporter, fact is it is a up hill task for the democrats but if they do it, it will be the efforts of the top man at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. 

[bendejo]

On 8/24/2018 at 11:43 PM, Sir Dude said:

Instead of just banging the "Hate Trump" drum constantly and still arguing the last election result..

 

DT is the one who is still in the 2016 election, his fan rallies always include a "lock her up!" sequence, the crowd loves it.

He's still running against Hillary and Obama, his fanbase laps it up.

 

If something goes right he's there to claim credit for it.  If something fails and he can't make it look like a win (darned fake news!) it will be someone else's fault.  My ex-wife is the same way, I think it's something they are taught in business school.

 

 

[notmyself]

20 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Pence resigning is a distinct possibility, if that happens and plays out as Pence resigning then Trump being removed (by resignation or impeachment), the Presidency is taken by the Speaker of the House.

 

Paul Ryan understands this and yet is still stepping down.

 

He's avoiding the S******** that is going to go down after the mid-terms. Sort out huge tax breaks for the rich then back off and take anything bad as an occupational hazard … with half a billion in his pocket.

 

Hubbard said that starting a religion would be a great way to make money and Trump said many years ago that if he did run for President, he would run as a Republican because they will believe anything.

[roobaa01]

On 8/25/2018 at 9:18 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

The election is going to be focussed on stopping Trump.

right and absolutely correct ,thats why democrats with their obsessed stupidity to have mr. trump removed from office, moved on television from impeachment to annulment of mr. trumps presidency.hillarious.

 

wbr

roobaa01

[nycjoe]

 
But the voter suppression efforts are ramping up too. 
 
 
50:50 would be interesting for an Impeachment Trial.
 
WWMPD?
 
 

I think a 50/50 tie would be broken by Pence as the tie breaker.


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