Rich countries ‘must do more’ for climate

[webfact]

Rich countries ‘must do more’ for climate

By Pratch Rujivanarom 
The Nation 

 

Climate activists hold a banner during a demonstration outside the United Nations (UN) Centre during the first day of the UN Climate Change Negotiating sessions in Bangkok, Thailand, 04 September 2018. // EPA-EFE PHOTO

 

CLIMATE justice advocates are calling on global leaders, especially those in wealthy countries, to step up their commitment and contribute to the international climate-change mitigation effort, as the Bangkok climate talks ended on a discouraging note.

 

After the six-day Bangkok Climate Change Conference concluded on Sunday without members solidifying rules and procedures listed in the Paris Rulebook, observers noted that many details of the guidelines, including issues on climate finance and differentiation, are still being debated upon by Paris Agreement signatories.

 

Harjeet Singh, emergency adviser for ActionAid Asia, said the atmosphere at the talks in Bangkok and progress on the Paris Rulebook were insufficient for progress towards the Paris Agreement’s climate-change stabilisation goal as the stances of many developed countries towards climate-change issues are a cause of great concern.

 

Singh said many wealthy countries showed lower interest in mitigating climate change and refused to provide funds to help developing countries pursue their pledged commitments on cutting down greenhouse gas emissions and strengthening their countries’ climate resilience. “The Paris Agreement is on the brink. Developed countries are going back on their word and are refusing to agree on clear rules governing climate finance. If they remain stuck in their positions and fail to loosen their purse strings, this treaty may collapse,” he stressed.

 

He explained that without financial support from rich developed countries, poorer developing countries would not be able to pursue their commitments because they simply do not have the funds to sponsor decarbonisation efforts and economic transitions.

 

 

According to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), each signatory to the Paris Agreement pledged two different greenhouse gas reduction goals – conditional commitment and unconditional commitment – as their nationally determined contributions (NDCs).

 

Unconditional targets are considered voluntary and can be implemented without outside support, while conditional target is more ambitious and requires financial support.

 

“Eventually the developing countries will pull out from the Paris Agreement and resume reliance on fossil-fuel based industry to sustain their economy,” Singh cautioned.

 

“We have a mountain to climb before the next climate summit this December. Finance ministers must now step in and deliver on the promises made in Paris.”

 

The Climate Action Network also stressed that the world needed significantly stronger political will and more ambitious decarbonisation commitments to make the Paris Rulebook effective and prevent the rise of global mean temperatures beyond 2 degrees Celsius.

 

Climate scientists believe the world has less than four or five years to stabilise global temperatures and ensure the increase in mean temperatures remains less than 2 degrees. 

 

Meanwhile, the Paris Rulebook needs to be finalised by December, as the Paris Agreement signatories will discuss and adopt this essential guideline at the upcoming 24th session of the Conference of the Parties (COP24) in Poland.

 

Meanwhile, Patricia Espinosa, executive secretary of the UNFCCC, said it was clear that we needed to boost climate action and fully implement the Paris Agreement, but it was also critical to achieve a balance across all issues.

 

“The Paris Agreement strikes a delicate balance to bring all countries together. We must recognise that countries have different realities at home. They have different levels of economic and social development that lead to different national situations,” Espinosa pointed out.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30354162

 

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[gunderhill]

I'm  taking more  flights to  hurry things along.

Don't  worry  about that "Mountain"  Im sure the boat  will float round it beautifully as sea  levels  rise by 1000000000000000metres in the next week.

They really do talk tosh, you' d  almost have to go back to the stone age to do anything, forget any flights  that's for sure, save the planet and watch civilisation collapse around you.

[Cadbury]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

Rich countries ‘must do more’ for climate

Nothing to do with rich or poor. The policy should be make the polluter pay. For example, Thailand should be paying a substantial sum as their contribution toward being the fifth largest polluter of the seas.

 

[jimmyyy]

Nice Try, we are not paying one dime for this crap.  The USA owes you all nothing, and that is what you will receive. 

[Thian]

In Holland we already have plastic-tax...EVERY thing of plastic has that tax on it...And we have so much more to pay for the environment that it's sickening.

[manarak]

1 minute ago, Thian said:

In Holland we already have plastic-tax...EVERY thing of plastic has that tax on it...And we have so much more to pay for the environment that it's sickening.

exactly.

[Thian]

Just now, manarak said:

exactly.

Diesel costs 1.40 euro a litre...benzin 1.8 euro a litre...We pay the recyclingcosts for everything we use...all waste is recycled and we have to supply it separate...

There are all kinds of taxes on energy, man i can go on for hours...Thailand will never pay so much for the environment.

[djayz]

32 minutes ago, Thian said:

Diesel costs 1.40 euro a litre...benzin 1.8 euro a litre...We pay the recyclingcosts for everything we use...all waste is recycled and we have to supply it separate...

There are all kinds of taxes on energy, man i can go on for hours...Thailand will never pay so much for the environment.

And that's one of the reasons why people live in clean countries as opposed to the filth that's left unchecked in other parts of the world.

[DoctorG]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Climate scientists believe the world has less than four or five years to stabilise global temperatures and ensure the increase in mean temperatures remains less than 2 degrees. 

This will go the way of every other false prediction that these self-serving alarmists have made.

[ChrisY1]

This OP is really about bashing wealthier countries to assist poorer countries, so they can clean up the mess they make. 

Thailand is a major player in ocean pollution and does nothing at all to alleviate the issue.

If these so called 'poor' countries managed their corruption, spent a whole lot less on military build up, educated their people to an acceptable standard and showed some leadership toward their people, then maybe assistance could be given......but right now, funding from the wealthy more often than not, disappears!

[Esso49]

47 minutes ago, Thian said:

In Holland we already have plastic-tax...EVERY thing of plastic has that tax on it...And we have so much more to pay for the environment that it's sickening.

Who collects this "Plastic Tax".   How is this tax audited ? How much , if any of this tax is actually spent on environmental protection  ? or is it just another excuse for another tax ?  

[NCC1701A]

MORONS! Arrest them all. More than 5 people gathered for political purposes.

[Catoni]

There's nothing "wrong" with the climate.  

 

 

It's well within the normal range of variability for this planet in the last 500 million years.  Still a bit low in atmospheric CO2 level compared to the last 500 million years though.  

   In the chart below,  you see numbers from 0 - 8 on the left... that is for thousands of ppm (parts per million) atmospheric CO2 level. We reached a low of 180 ppm.....only 30 ppm from plant photosynthesis shuts down. Now we are rising to a safer level...but still very low. Historically, as can be seen, we are CO2 poor compared to the past. The world has rarely been as low in atmospheric CO2 as it is now.  NASA shows that with the slow rise in CO2 now... the world is getting greener...

    Today is at the extreme right side of the chart.  

   Historically also...  human civilization has done better during warmer times... not colder times.. 

   No need for the leftist Global Warming Alarmist screachers...  

  

Edited September 11, 2018 by Catoni

[RickBradford]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

CLIMATE justice advocates are calling on global leaders, especially those in wealthy countries, to step up their commitment and contribute to the international climate-change mitigation effort

They're still whistling, but the dog's out of range.....

[jossthaifarang]

Start by governing Co emissions from Pickups, busses and trucks in Thailand. All you have to do is check emissions when vehicals are renewing road licenses, if they fail they dont get a licence. An Extremely large part of the problem solved... 

 

On the plus side all these idiots that have "Modified" their pickups, and made them really noisy with plooms of black smoke bellowing out will be forced to reinstall the catalytic converters they choped off!!

[Lupatria]

2 hours ago, Cadbury said:

Nothing to do with rich or poor. The policy should be make the polluter pay. For example, Thailand should be paying a substantial sum as their contribution toward being the fifth largest polluter of the seas.

 

That's why they chose the slogan Rich countries ‘must do more’ for climate as an explanation for their interpretation: "Sorry world - we're out of it"

[Tug]

All country’s and people must husband the environment we must all do our part rich or poor I was raised on a boat I can see the difference in my life time it’s cleaner now but less sea life probably from overfishing but less oil and garbage here in the USA 

 

 

[DM07]

And so the fingerpointing continues, while plastic is washed into the oceans by the ton, every hour, while factories paying big bribe-money to spill their sewage into rivers or directly into the ground and Donald Trump thinks "clean coal" is something that actually exists!

Good night, Planet Earth!

[lvr181]

I used to be confused, now I am lost - is this topic about global warming/climate control or plastics etc. pollution?  ?

 

Plastics etc. pollution has been done to death on here before and nothing has changed.

Global warming/climate control is heading the same way. 

[marko kok prong]

It is too late to stop now,i recommend investing in Air conditioning manufacturers.

[Chassa]

Easy for rich countries - just stop buying goods from polluting poor countries.

 

Thailand???

Edited September 11, 2018 by Chassa

[melvinmelvin]

 

There are many aspects I quite simply do not understand in this policy area, maybe I drink too much and have become daft.

 

I think the mainstream thinking is that countries with plenty satang must pay significantly for their pollution.

Countries with little satang may continue, for a while, to crap down the environment in order to make the step from poor to medium.

 

My prime minister at the time (same chap who is now NATO boss) when these conferences started off was a very very heavy

supporter for this thinking.

I have tried many many times to get to grips with this thinking, I fail.

 

Norway has sprayed tons of satang into funds for replanting rainforest in Brazil and Indonesia,

then, with a clean conscience, we just continue to crap down the environment same as before.

 

Rich countries paying more, OK.

But paying should be investments in remedies to reduce the crapping,

not erecting a few trees in Brazil and Indonesia and continue as before.

 

 

 

 

 

[happy chappie]

Don't keep punishing the richer countries for the likes of china who burn the most dirtiest coal to produce the most crap and plastic items that have no lifespan and binned within hours or just out of the packet.batteries that if they work do so for a minute.they should be held accountable for their mega polution of the planet.

 

Edited September 11, 2018 by happy chappie
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[AsiaHand]

Why ? So the "poor" countries can continue to abuse the climate by issuing no laws controlling the emissions of their own factories and automobiles.? While using the BILLIONS of assistance in money sent to these countries by many of the countries in The EU,The UK, And The Americas.to line the pockets of those in control of their governments.? Crap   

Edited September 11, 2018 by AsiaHand

[glennb6]

to any or all zombies who think man made global warming is real, from me personally, go <deleted> yourself and if you try to steal money from me based on a false premise it will probably end badly for you.

[gunderhill]

4 hours ago, DoctorG said:

This will go the way of every other false prediction that these self-serving alarmists have made.

Still waiting for the Maldives to go underwater, back in the very  late 80's was told it would be gone in 20 years.

[Esso49]

2 hours ago, jossthaifarang said:

Start by governing Co emissions from Pickups, busses and trucks in Thailand. All you have to do is check emissions when vehicals are renewing road licenses, if they fail they dont get a licence. An Extremely large part of the problem solved... 

 

On the plus side all these idiots that have "Modified" their pickups, and made them really noisy with plooms of black smoke bellowing out will be forced to reinstall the catalytic converters they choped off!!

Unfortunately there are some errors in your assumptions.  Firstly, not getting a road license would not be a deterrent.  Most Thais never bother anyway with one. Secondly they can not re-install the cat convertors , because simply pick-ups are not required to be fitted with cat convertors in Thailand in the first place. 

[Krataiboy]

5 hours ago, Cadbury said:

Nothing to do with rich or poor. The policy should be make the polluter pay. For example, Thailand should be paying a substantial sum as their contribution toward being the fifth largest polluter of the seas.

 

And what about those three coal-fired power stations in the pipeline, are part of our visionary leaders' future energy strategy?

[melvinmelvin]

23 minutes ago, happy chappie said:

Don't keep punishing the richer countries for the likes of china who burn the most dirtiest coal to produce the most crap and plastic items that have no lifespan and binned within hours or just out of the packet.batteries that if they work do so for a minute.they should be held accountable for their mega polution of the planet.

 

 

that's the price you have to pay if you want China onboard.

 

[Catoni]

1 hour ago, gunderhill said:

Still waiting for the Maldives to go underwater, back in the very  late 80's was told it would be gone in 20 years.

The Arctic Ocean was supposed to be ice free in the summer time by now also. And don’t forget the head research scientist (and friend of Michael “hockey stick” Mann) at the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Angelia saying back in 2000 that “in just a few years snow will be a very rare and exciting event”. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.”

    What Leftist Global Warming/Climate Change Alarmist crap ! !