Farang Supportin Farang Child... Visa Possible?

[fleming]

Hi

I am 44 and living in Thailand with Non Immigrant B visa and work permit. I set up a company in order to get the work permit and consequently the visa.

I pay taxes on a virtual salary of 50,000 baht/month and ensure a payment of a minimum of taxes for the company too (which own a small land by the way)...

My wife (non thai) and 2 children 5 and 10 years stay here on my visa so far

I am not sure I will be able to obtain visa extension based on this. And I dont want to really enter in a 'heavier' business just for the visa. And since I am too young too obtain the retirement visa I have a question:

QUESTION:

Can I ask for my wife and I a supporting visa based on the children education?

PS: I dont intend to work in Thailand. Just planned to came here to build house, write books... I have and can maintain ~800,000 bahts on my bank account. And I found the visa issue quite a nightmare nowadays

Thanks

[rav]

Hi Fleming

Im in the same boat as you,We are a farang family with 2 kids,aged 8 & 6.Weve lived here for 3.5 years and initially had the same probs as you.However we quickly found out that it was nothing to worry about as kids dont need a visa.Trust me, i take my 2 out of the country at least twice a year and have never had any problems.Last month we left phuket by air and had no probs at all.The take you to the immigration overstay room stamp the kids passport and off you go.Trust me you dont need a visa for them.Hope thats put you at ease! rav

[fleming]

Thanks Rav

but my question was for my wife and I : is it possible and how to get a visa based on supporting our children here ?...

Edited February 10, 2007 by fleming

[lopburi3]

7.10 In the case of a family

member of an alien

who has been

permitted to stay

temporarily in

Thailand for study in

an educational

institution as set out

in clauses 7.7 or 7.8

(applicable only to

parents, spouse,

children, adopted

child or the child of

his/her spouse):

Permission will be

granted for a period of

not more than 1 year

at a time.

(1) The alien has obtained a

temporary visa (NON-IM); and

(2) Proof of family relationship;

and

(3) In the case of spouse, the

marital relationship shall be de

jure (legitimate) and de facto;

or

(4) In the case of a child, adopted

child or child of his/her spouse,

the said person must not be

married, must be living with the

applicant, and must be less than

20 years of age; or

(5) In the case of parents, there

must be an account deposit with

a local bank made in the name

of father or mother of not less

than Baht 500,000 as shown in

bank account transactions for

the past 3 months.

1. Application form

2. Copy of the applicant's passport

3. Copy of passport of the alien

who has been permitted to study

in Thailand.

4. Proof of family relationship,

e.g., marriage certificate, birth

certificate, registration of

legitimate child, household

registration certificate, proof of

child adoption, or any other

evidence issued by the

competent authority or

government agency

5. Only in the case set out in clause

(5), certificate of bank account

deposit from a local bank in

Thailand and copy of bank book

shall be submitted.

[Sunbelt Asia]

Hi

I am 44 and living in Thailand with Non Immigrant B visa and work permit. I set up a company in order to get the work permit and consequently the visa.

I pay taxes on a virtual salary of 50,000 baht/month and ensure a payment of a minimum of taxes for the company too (which own a small land by the way)...

My wife (non thai) and 2 children 5 and 10 years stay here on my visa so far

I am not sure I will be able to obtain visa extension based on this. And I dont want to really enter in a 'heavier' business just for the visa. And since I am too young too obtain the retirement visa I have a question:

QUESTION:

Can I ask for my wife and I a supporting visa based on the children education?

PS: I dont intend to work in Thailand. Just planned to came here to build house, write books... I have and can maintain ~800,000 bahts on my bank account. And I found the visa issue quite a nightmare nowadays

Thanks

If they are going to school. They should have an extension of stay based on education. Only one parent can be the dependent for the children with 500K in the bank.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[lopburi3]

Can't split the two kids? One for each?

[Sunbelt Asia]

Can't split the two kids? One for each?

I have heard it happen ( splitting up the parents on different dates to go to Immigration) However, we understood Immigration wasn't happy when they saw this happen once.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[fleming]

Thank Lopburi3 and Sunbelt for your input

Both child go to school

and you raised the point> 'split' : one child ... one visa....

If they make difficulties on my Non B renewal it will be probably my last resource...

but paradoxally if I succeed in that, I will save a lot of money and Thailand will loose some precious taxes:

Taxes on work permit (I wont need it) - I declare 50000 per month: around 50000 baht per year of taxes

and if I dont get any visa ...

Taxes on company - I declare a fake profit of 100,000 baht per year ....

plus various amounts paid to accountant (8000 b /year), lawyer (20000/year) and s.o. ...

I just wonder where will be Thai government advantages in setting such hurdles? what kind of farang they want to get rid of... at the end of the game, Thai citizens will suffer of this: lawyer cabinets, real estate, owners of land (not onle rich people but also farmers and fishermen), and numerous of intermediaries which live on farang resident.

Probably they just want extra tea money ... their ability to make trouble is sometime compensated by a fabulous way to solve them when hearing the musical of a 1000 baht note!

Edited February 10, 2007 by fleming

[Cyberstar]

... but paradoxally if I succeed in that, I will save a lot of money and Thailand will loose some precious taxes:

Taxes on work permit (I wont need it) - I declare 50000 per month: around 50000 baht per year of taxes

and if I dont get any visa ...

Taxes on company - I declare a fake profit of 100,000 baht per year ....

plus various amounts paid to accountant (8000 b /year), lawyer (20000/year) and s.o. ...

I just wonder where will be Thai government advantages in setting such hurdles? what kind of farang they want to get rid of... at the end of the game, Thai citizens will suffer of this: lawyer cabinets, real estate, owners of land (not onle rich people but also farmers and fishermen), and numerous of intermediaries which live on farang resident.

Proper paperwork is what makes it - money comes second to that.

[lopburi3]

They probably want to get rid of foreign mafia types, just as any other country would want to do. Not many countries allow people to live on a semi permanent basis without such rules and regulations.

[scalper]

I am almost in the same situation as yours.

Living in Phuket with my wife and 2 kids ( 2 and 4)

My wife and i have a non im B and my kids a non im O ( i know my kids could have done without).

I have a new car and i bought a 12mios baths condo .

I dont work and dont want to am under 50 and my wife is not thai.

I can do like you set up a fake company but it looks like it is more complicated these days

I can buy a family elite card for the family and get a 5 years visa avoiding all the hassle of visa run and WP ( if the cards survives of course).

I spend more than 200K baths a month so i think that even if i dont work and dont pay taxes my money spent is good for thailand ( VAT ...).

Are there others possibility i missed? perhaps having tourist visas but not sure you can have a lot in a row?

[fleming]

I dont work and dont want to am under 50 and my wife is not thai.

I can do like you set up a fake company but it looks like it is more complicated these days

I can buy a family elite card for the family and get a 5 years visa avoiding all the hassle of visa run and WP ( if the cards survives of course).

I spend more than 200K baths a month so i think that even if i dont work and dont pay taxes my money spent is good for thailand ( VAT ...).

Are there others possibility i missed? perhaps having tourist visas but not sure you can have a lot in a row?

Scalper,

I didnt think about the ELite card... could be a good idea.

Is it still 1mios bahts for 5 years visa? + 40,000/years for extras. do you know conditions for family? I never heard of that before...

More costly than WPermit issue but certainly more relaxin for the mind... except if they decide suddenly to stop the program (I heard there is No disclaimer in case of cancellation)

[Wanderer_99]

If they are going to school. They should have an extension of stay based on education. Only one parent can be the dependent for the children with 500K in the bank.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

Can you confirm this 500K. The first time we did this for my wife as a care taker of my daughter we had to get 800K together. This year we did it again and I just thougth I needed 800K again, which was a pain this time, especially given the exchange rate.

Has the law changed now only requiring 500k?

[lopburi3]

If they are going to school. They should have an extension of stay based on education. Only one parent can be the dependent for the children with 500K in the bank.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

Can you confirm this 500K. The first time we did this for my wife as a care taker of my daughter we had to get 800K together. This year we did it again and I just thougth I needed 800K again, which was a pain this time, especially given the exchange rate.

Has the law changed now only requiring 500k?

Post 5 this thread, second quote, para 5 from police order 606 as listed in pinned items at top of forum.

[bggg]

I wiil not try to quote the law but can tell you of my own experience. We have 2 children 1 parent as custodian of each. 800,000 baht had to go into each of our bank accounts!!!! We prepared everything back and forth checking with immigration that it was all correct. Took the children out of school for the day went down to immigration and we were told everything was fine and our paperwork would be sent to bangkok for approval and in the mean time we needed to come back every 30 days until in came back from Bangkok. The officer then said I see you are old enough for a retirement visa (my husband) why don't you do that it is much easier. We explained that last time I was rejected on the spouse retirement visa because I was too young even though my husband qualified. She said that was wrong. She told us to go get a medical cert from the hospital and bring it back and she would issue the retirement visa. So in the end we did not get the custodian visa but did go through all the steps leading up to it.

On the subject of no visas for children we were told if they are 7 years or older they must have a visa. Also if they are in school here they must have an education visa. Prior to the age of 7 they are not subject to overstay fines.

[Sunbelt Asia]

I wiil not try to quote the law but can tell you of my own experience. We have 2 children 1 parent as custodian of each. 800,000 baht had to go into each of our bank accounts!!!! We prepared everything back and forth checking with immigration that it was all correct. Took the children out of school for the day went down to immigration and we were told everything was fine and our paperwork would be sent to bangkok for approval and in the mean time we needed to come back every 30 days until in came back from Bangkok. The officer then said I see you are old enough for a retirement visa (my husband) why don't you do that it is much easier. We explained that last time I was rejected on the spouse retirement visa because I was too young even though my husband qualified. She said that was wrong. She told us to go get a medical cert from the hospital and bring it back and she would issue the retirement visa. So in the end we did not get the custodian visa but did go through all the steps leading up to it.

On the subject of no visas for children we were told if they are 7 years or older they must have a visa. Also if they are in school here they must have an education visa. Prior to the age of 7 they are not subject to overstay fines.

Can you confirm this 500K. The first time we did this for my wife as a care taker of my daughter we had to get 800K together. This year we did it again and I just thougth I needed 800K again, which was a pain this time, especially given the exchange rate.

Has the law changed now only requiring 500k?

Before Oct 1st 2006 it was 800,000 Baht. It is now 500,000 Baht.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[scalper]

Last week i was in my lawyer office.

I asked him about ED visa one for me with on eof my kid and one for my wife with the other one ( we are not married and the kids have both names)

He didn't know the answer, so called the immigration and was told that it was possible to get 2 ED for my wife and me .

My non im B if finishing in July ( i can get permission to stay till october by visa runing in july) so i will start the process for the 2 ED and will post here the results

[scalper]

I mean ED for the kids and O for the parents supporting kids ( 2 and 4 years old)

Regarding parents bringing children into Thailand to attend school, Capt Krissarat said, “Foreign parents whose children will study in Thailand can apply for non-immigrant ED visas for their children at any Royal Thai Embassy outside Thailand.

“The parents can apply for non-immigrant O visas for themselves so they can enter the country and care for their children here, and then they can apply for permits to stay at the Immigration office after entering the country.

“Alternatively, if the parents are not going to be staying in the country long, they can get a tourist visa from an embassy or enter on a visa exemption,” he said.

“Many international schools in Thailand help parents prepare applications for permits to stay,” Capt Krissarat said, adding that children under 14 years old are not fined for an overstay.

[rewopnadia]

Hi,

I'm also under 50. My defacto wife and our 2 and half year old son moved to Phuket from Perth, Australia. We obtained multiple entry non immig B visas for myself and my partner and an O type visa for our son.

How do I go about transfering one of us and our son to an education visa? Do you still have to go on a visa run every 90 days?

Also, I don't have a work permit, is it possible to get an extension on our 1 yr non imm B visas? If so how? Is there any way to avoid having to go on visa runs?

Thanks in advance,

Aidan Power

Edited May 2, 2007 by rewopnadia

[Sunbelt Asia]

Hi,

I'm also under 50. My defacto wife and our 2 and half year old son moved to Phuket from Perth, Australia. We obtained multiple entry non immig B visas for myself and my partner and an O type visa for our son.

How do I go about transfering one of us and our son to an education visa? Do you still have to go on a visa run every 90 days?

You need 500,000 Baht in the bank for three months prior to applying for the dependent extension of stay permit. Copy of your sons education visa in his passport, birth certificate of your son.

Also, I don't have a work permit, is it possible to get an extension on our 1 yr non imm B visas?

You stated you had "O" visas. With most visas( except for tourist, and in some cases, retirement), you can get a work permit.

If so how? Is there any way to avoid having to go on visa runs?

If you have been granted a extension of stay based on a foreign family member is going to school in Thailand. No need for visa runs.

www. sunbeltasiagroup.com

[niebla]

If you are planning on being granted an extension of stay based on a foreign family member going to school in Thailand, is there any advantage to getting a Non.-Imm. Multiple entry vs. a single entry visa from the USA?

[lopburi3]

Not if the student already has an extension of stay - but if student does not have an extension of stay and it may take longer than 90 days to obtain you will not be able to obtain such so the multi entry would be an advantage until the time you can extend.