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[Galactus]

Rogue state Israel is at its usual job of killing Palestinians again!

with guns coming from US. 

stones/knives vs full auto machine guns and war planes!

[dexterm]

36 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

No, that's your extreme interpretation. Israel was founded as a state for the Jewish people. That you object to it is clear, if irrelevant. It's also dishonest, considering how often you go on about accepting UN resolutions etc. 

 

Other than in your hateful fantasies, Israel is not expected to commit national suicide, nor to become Palestine. The Palestinians, on the other hand, are more busy claiming the whole cake, while doing little to develop what's available to them. This stance didn't change much over the years. 

>>Israel is not expected to commit national suicide
..that's another racist code word for Israel retaining control of 100% of Palestine without granting equality to the indigenous Palestinian population. Zionists want the land but not the resident population who were already there when they colonized it.

 

One way or another when peace finally comes the refugees and their descendants will return and the two peoples, geographic neighbors for eternity, will ultimately meld into one.

Edited September 25, 2018 by dexterm

[BestB]

1 hour ago, dexterm said:

..and "the right of Israel to even exist" is Zionist code for  the right of a predominanly racist supremacist state to exist by denying the right of return of its indigenous people.

 

It's not even subtle. 

 

Israel cannot continue to exist as a state where only one people has a right to self determination while denying it to other inhabitants of a different religion or race.

More of the same BS, if what you claiming had any truth in it Israel would not have 20-25% Arab population , Arab party and Arab members of parliament 

 

If any of what you say had any truth , no mosque or church would be open and no one would have been allowed to practice anything but Judaism and should anyone be caught they would be punished or jailed like in all good Arab countries 

[The manic]

9 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

Instead of throwing petrol bombs and demonstrating every day ,how about getting down and working hard to build your country ,just like Israel did? just a thought .

Its not the Arab way.  Its not the muslim way, especially in the MENA region.

[JimmyTheMook]

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Galactus said:

Rogue state Israel is at its usual job of killing Palestinians again!

with guns coming from US. 

stones/knives vs full auto machine guns and war planes!

 

Israel is not a "rouge state" other than in your imagination. Perhaps several of the other posters spewing the same bile.

Unless mistaken, most of the "guns coming from the US" are actually manufactured locally.

And yet more schoolyard nonsense, there is no requirement for both sides of a conflict to have similar military capabilities.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, dexterm said:

>>Israel is not expected to commit national suicide
..that's another racist code word for Israel retaining control of 100% of Palestine without granting equality to the indigenous Palestinian population. Zionists want the land but not the resident population who were already there when they colonized it.

 

One way or another when peace finally comes the refugees and their descendants will return and the two peoples, geographic neighbors for eternity, will ultimately meld into one.

 

No, that's your extreme point of view, which chooses to ignore reality. Countries are not, on the whole, expected or required to drastically alter their demographics in order to better suit the ideological/political fantasies of wannabe activists. As usual, conveniently ignoring facts in favor of propaganda - there's a sizeable Arab (Palestinian) within Israel, Israel not actually annexing the West Bank (and certainly not the Gaza Strip), and there are Zionists supporting solutions which do not conform with the rubbish you routinely assert.

 

All of these were discussed on numerous topics. Examples given. Links provided. Makes no difference with regard to your rants - always the same vehement, bile filled hate manifestos.

 

And no, your kumbaya version is unlikely to become a reality anytime soon, not within our lifetimes, probably. What you're on about doesn't have a whole lot to do with peace (which is a more concrete proposition), but with very long term historical processes, which you wouldn't be able to accurately predict. In the meantime, all of your waffle doesn't relate to the topic at hand much.

 

 

[Thorgal]

 

Rather off topic...

 

 

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[BestB]

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

 

Which is the real one? The left one or the right one...


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Left of course, Abdullah would never lie 

[Scott]

Off-topic post reported and removed.  

[bristolboy]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Israel is not a "rouge state" other than in your imagination. Perhaps several of the other posters spewing the same bile.

Unless mistaken, most of the "guns coming from the US" are actually manufactured locally.

And yet more schoolyard nonsense, there is no requirement for both sides of a conflict to have similar military capabilities.

And when they don't, the weaker parties resorts to whatever resources and strategies will work against a much stronger foe. And for this they are often labeled as terrorists.

[Morch]

Just now, bristolboy said:

And when they don't, the weaker parties resorts to whatever resources and strategies will work against a much stronger foe. And for this they are often labeled as terrorists.

 

Not all weaker parties resort to "whatever works". Some apply limits, some do not. Some do not even choose violence. Being the weaker side is not actually a carte blanche for "whatever works". In the same way, the stronger side will usually use "whatever works". I'm sure you thought you had a point there.

 

Disregarding the straw-man argument, terrorism is indeed a label that's tossed too freely around, regardless if it fully applies or widely recognized as such. For example, it would not apply for most of the protestors in question. That doesn't have a whole lot to do with anything much, other than deflections, though.

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Not all weaker parties resort to "whatever works". Some apply limits, some do not. Some do not even choose violence. Being the weaker side is not actually a carte blanche for "whatever works". In the same way, the stronger side will usually use "whatever works". I'm sure you thought you had a point there.

 

Disregarding the straw-man argument, terrorism is indeed a label that's tossed too freely around, regardless if it fully applies or widely recognized as such. For example, it would not apply for most of the protestors in question. That doesn't have a whole lot to do with anything much, other than deflections, though.

Yes both sides are to be condemned. Which suits the interests of the stronger party.

[Morch]

45 minutes ago, BestB said:

Left of course, Abdullah would never lie 

 

https://www.instagram.com/acefamily/?hl=en

 

[Morch]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Yes both sides are to be condemned. Which suits the interests of the stronger party.

 

If you say so.

[Chomper Higgot]

“Soldiers responded with riot dispersal means according to rules of engagement, a military spokesman said.“

 

The truth of that statement should be tested in an open and transparent inquest into the death of the Palestinian.

 

Openess and transparency, the friend of truth and justice; the enemy of those with crimes to hide.

 

 

[BestB]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“Soldiers responded with riot dispersal means according to rules of engagement, a military spokesman said.“

 

The truth of that statement should be tested in an open and transparent inquest into the death of the Palestinian.

 

Openess and transparency, the friend of truth and justice; the enemy of those with crimes to hide.

 

 

Thats a funny statement coming from someone who not too long ago was arguing that UK does not need to provide any proof or transparency when it came to Russian allegations, but all over sudden "Openess and transparency, the friend of truth and justice; the enemy of those with crimes to hide."

 

Do i dare to ask if you you biased when it comes to certain topics?Rhetorical question, your posting history speaks for itself????

[Thorgal]

 

Please note that their supposed right of return is not unconditional, regardless of the nonsense often touted on these topics.

 

Please note that that they are throwing IED, grenades and whatnot - over the border.

 

Please note that they launch balloons, kites and drones loaded with incendiary devices, causing fires on the other side of the border 

 

Please note that they are "besieged" due to Hamas's actions and agenda. The blockade is maintained by both Israel and Egypt.

 

 

Please be informed that the Palestinian right to return is legitimate and genuine. Clearly unconditional.
You’ve never disputed the unconditional position of overseas people making Aliyah. Which is not legitimate and not genuine. Mass conversions to Judaism were made in history worldwide. Nothing to do with the Biblical Jews from ancient times which remained in Palestinian land.

Using slings in the Middle East is normal practice. Stones were used to chase demons since ancient times. Lapidation was common practice in all Abrahamic religions. It even made King David immortal when using a slingshot to kill his opponent.

What you call EID, grenades and whatnots made of a mixture with sodium bicarbonate in mostly used cans of harissa or skinless peaches will not destroy the IDF or even make an invasion possible.

Balloons, kites and drones loaded with incendiary devices can be detected easily and shot down by the IDF snipers.


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[Morch]

 

@Thorgal

 

The Palestinian right of return is conditional, regardless of your spins. You may wish to consult the relevant UN and UNSC resolutions addressing it - or continue pretending this was never discussed (and at length) and referenced on past topics. Further, countries are not realistically expected to let in a hostile population bent on their destruction. That is, in the real world - as opposed to some posters' fantasies and trolling posts.

 

Whether posters like it or not, Israel was created as a homeland for the Jewish People. You may consult the same UN and UNSC resolutions mentioned above. That you declare Israel's immigration laws to be illegitimate carries about the same weight as the rest of your drivel. And again, said Jewish immigration is not composed of people hostile to the country. Your off topic ramblings about conversions etc. are the usual fare. Same goes for the nonsense bit about slings.

 

What I call IED, grenades of such has nothing to do with your made up nonsense. And, despite figures not living up to your expectations, there were injuries and casualties from such. There wasn't anything said about these related to an "invasion" - is that the best straw-man argument you can come up with?

 

And no, turns out them made-shift aerial incendiary delivery methods are not easily countered, regardless of your unfounded assertions to the opposite. Regardless, even if they were, it wouldn't made the action of launching them any more legitimate.

 

[The manic]

8 hours ago, Morch said:

 

No, that's your extreme point of view, which chooses to ignore reality. Countries are not, on the whole, expected or required to drastically alter their demographics in order to better suit the ideological/political fantasies of wannabe activists. As usual, conveniently ignoring facts in favor of propaganda - there's a sizeable Arab (Palestinian) within Israel, Israel not actually annexing the West Bank (and certainly not the Gaza Strip), and there are Zionists supporting solutions which do not conform with the rubbish you routinely assert.

 

All of these were discussed on numerous topics. Examples given. Links provided. Makes no difference with regard to your rants - always the same vehement, bile filled hate manifestos.

 

And no, your kumbaya version is unlikely to become a reality anytime soon, not within our lifetimes, probably. What you're on about doesn't have a whole lot to do with peace (which is a more concrete proposition), but with very long term historical processes, which you wouldn't be able to accurately predict. In the meantime, all of your waffle doesn't relate to the topic at hand much.

 

 

So called Palestine is a racist endeavour!

[The manic]

11 hours ago, Galactus said:

Rogue state Israel is at its usual job of killing Palestinians again!

with guns coming from US. 

stones/knives vs full auto machine guns and war planes!

Nonsense

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, BestB said:

Thats a funny statement coming from someone who not too long ago was arguing that UK does not need to provide any proof or transparency when it came to Russian allegations, but all over sudden "Openess and transparency, the friend of truth and justice; the enemy of those with crimes to hide."

 

Do i dare to ask if you you biased when it comes to certain topics?Rhetorical question, your posting history speaks for itself????

You’re having difficulty understanding a dispute between two nations and the actions of an individual nation that are claimed by that nation to be lawful.

 

I understand your confusion because in this latter case it appears the State is acting to conceal the rational and justifications for its actions.

 

I make no judgement on the legality of the killing prior to a full open and transparent inquest, but neither do I accept the statements made by the Israeli military. 

 

“Thats a funny statement coming from someone who not too long ago was arguing that UK does not need to provide any proof or transparency when it came to Russian allegations”

 

I have never made that argument.

 

I’m sure you can make arguments without putting your own words in other people’s mouths. Give it a try.

[Chomper Higgot]

I’m sure the well disciplined and highly trained members of the Israeli Military can provide a full and detailed account of what specific threat the individual they killed posed to the safety of the military personnel and/or Israeli citizens such that it became necessary to kill him.

 

The Israeli Miltary statement that their forces acted within the rules of engagement suggests that they, the military, are aware of these circumstances.

 

An open and transparent inquest into the death of the man would provide the Israeli Miltary the opportunity to demonstrate they acted as they claimed and why they did so.

 

No problem at all for people telling the truth and acting within the law.

[SheungWan]

8 hours ago, Thorgal said:

 

Please be informed that the Palestinian right to return is legitimate and genuine. Clearly unconditional.
You’ve never disputed the unconditional position of overseas people making Aliyah. Which is not legitimate and not genuine. Mass conversions to Judaism were made in history worldwide. Nothing to do with the Biblical Jews from ancient times which remained in Palestinian land.
Using slings in the Middle East is normal practice. Stones were used to chase demons since ancient times. Lapidation was common practice in all Abrahamic religions. It even made King David immortal when using a slingshot to kill his opponent.
What you call EID, grenades and whatnots made of a mixture with sodium bicarbonate in mostly used cans of harissa or skinless peaches will not destroy the IDF or even make an invasion possible.
Balloons, kites and drones loaded with incendiary devices can be detected easily and shot down by the IDF snipers.
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Good to hear that the incendiary devices are sent over in empty peach cans.  Essential information.

[The manic]

20 hours ago, dexterm said:

Because they want to go back to their family homes in Israel from which they were ethnically cleansed in 1948. Israel's refusal is a war crime according to the Geneva Convention. The only reason Israel will not allow them to return is pure racism.

 

Israel blockades Gaza's land, sea and air space. Egypt controls only one border crossing which was open till the other US puppet military dictator Sisi closed it.

They left because the Arab leaders told them to.  The legal state of Israel suffered thousands of terrorist attacks from the moment it was born. There were no so called Palestinians  - just the left overs from the Ottoman occupation Bedouins,  raiders, landless drifters living in rocks and rubble. There was turmoil and migration in Europe, India and a number of places but the so called Palestinians  were encouraged to attack Israel, lay claim to land they never owned and believe in a lie that Jerusalem was a muslim place. It is not. It was not. It never has been. It is a lie. Many people from that area moved to the USA and Europe.  They have no desire to return to that barren hell hole. The Israeli greened a dessert, built a nation, defeated three invasions, invited Muslims to sit in their parliament as part of a democratic system. Now the so called Palestinians,  hoovering up western aid money and with a false consciousness willingly continue to be the tool of Islamic extremists and their Judaphobic ideology.  Sure beats working.  Being in a permanent state of victimhood and subsidised they are a basket case non nation. Pakistan  , Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Libya...the list is endless. Not one gulf state give aid or citizenship to these people who betrayed Kuwait , destabilized Lebanon, and were ejected from Tunisia because they have been trained to destroy. If the jews were driven out of Israel and taken over by these rogues it would be a rubbish dump within one generation and a base for international terror. 

[BestB]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You’re having difficulty understanding a dispute between two nations and the actions of an individual nation that are claimed by that nation to be lawful.

 

I understand your confusion because in this latter case it appears the State is acting to conceal the rational and justifications for its actions.

 

I make no judgement on the legality of the killing prior to a full open and transparent inquest, but neither do I accept the statements made by the Israeli military. 

 

“Thats a funny statement coming from someone who not too long ago was arguing that UK does not need to provide any proof or transparency when it came to Russian allegations”

 

I have never made that argument.

 

I’m sure you can make arguments without putting your own words in other people’s mouths. Give it a try.

So tell me again how it’s different ?

[dexterm]

12 hours ago, Morch said:

 

No, that's your extreme point of view, which chooses to ignore reality. Countries are not, on the whole, expected or required to drastically alter their demographics in order to better suit the ideological/political fantasies of wannabe activists. As usual, conveniently ignoring facts in favor of propaganda - there's a sizeable Arab (Palestinian) within Israel, Israel not actually annexing the West Bank (and certainly not the Gaza Strip), and there are Zionists supporting solutions which do not conform with the rubbish you routinely assert.

 

All of these were discussed on numerous topics. Examples given. Links provided. Makes no difference with regard to your rants - always the same vehement, bile filled hate manifestos.

 

And no, your kumbaya version is unlikely to become a reality anytime soon, not within our lifetimes, probably. What you're on about doesn't have a whole lot to do with peace (which is a more concrete proposition), but with very long term historical processes, which you wouldn't be able to accurately predict. In the meantime, all of your waffle doesn't relate to the topic at hand much.

 

 

>>No, that's your extreme point of view, which chooses to ignore reality. 

..The only extremists are the trigger happy IDF on the fence killing demonstrators who simply want to return home. That's what I regard as surreal.

 

>>Countries are not, on the whole, expected or required to drastically alter their demographics in order to better suit the ideological/political fantasies of wannabe activists. 
..which is of course exactly what Israel did at its very foundation. They ethnically cleansed half the population of Palestine herding them into Gaza and the West Bank so that they could drastically alter their demographics to suit the racist supremacist ideology of Zionism. They could not have a Jewish State without a Jewish majority. So simple math: get rid of non Jews.

 

Those refugees have never stopped trying to go home since 1948.

 

Israel created the problem; Israel has an obligation to solve the problem.

 

The solution would not be the all or nothing massive influx of refugees you disingenuously envisage. As part of a peace initiative allow a few elderly Palestinians and their immediate families who were born there to return with all the necessary security checks and balances.

 

The immediate effect would be an end to the weekly confrontations at the fence. It would be proof that the two peoples can live together peacefully and could lead to all sorts of models for a permanent peace.

[Chomper Higgot]

42 minutes ago, BestB said:

So tell me again how it’s different ?

Everything the Israeli courts need to conduct an inquest into the killing by the Israeli Miltary of a man at the Border Fence is within the jurisdiction of the Israeli Courts.

 

The court can call the soldier(s) who killed the man before the court and ask him/her/them to explain what particular threat this individual presented that necessitated him being killed.

 

The courtcan call the military officers to explain how that action was within the rules of engagement.

 

The inquests into killing of Skripal in the UK proceeded as far as possible to the exclusion of witnesses/persons that are in Russia. 

The UK court of inquiry has no jurisdiction over persons or evidence in Russian and therefore cannot proceed to examine those persons/evidence without Russian cooperation.

 

Where the accusation is that the killing of Skripal was a State sponsored killing, it is not unreasonable to expect the Russian authorities to act to obscure their crime.

 

I do not and I have not argued that Israel forces acted illegally or that a Israel, a democratic nation governed under law, would act to hide or confuse the truth surrounding the legal actions of its forces.

 

Acting legally they have nothing to fear from an open and transparent inquest into the killing by Israeli forces of this man.

[BestB]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Everything the Israeli courts need to conduct an inquest into the killing by the Israeli Miltary of a man at the Border Fence is within the jurisdiction of the Israeli Courts.

 

The court can call the soldier(s) who killed the man before the court and ask him/her/them to explain what particular threat this individual presented that necessitated him being killed.

 

The courtcan call the military officers to explain how that action was within the rules of engagement.

 

The inquests into killing of Skripal in the UK proceeded as far as possible to the exclusion of witnesses/persons that are in Russia. 

The UK court of inquiry has no jurisdiction over persons or evidence in Russian and therefore cannot proceed to examine those persons/evidence without Russian cooperation.

 

Where the accusation is that the killing of Skripal was a State sponsored killing, it is not unreasonable to expect the Russian authorities to act to obscure their crime.

 

I do not and I have not argued that Israel forces acted illegally or that a Israel, a democratic nation governed under law, would act to hide or confuse the truth surrounding the legal actions of its forces.

 

Acting legally they have nothing to fear from an open and transparent inquest into the killing by Israeli forces of this man.

Oh I see now. Because it’s Israel then your previous positions no longer apply????And a new set of rules is applied backed up by a few dozen explanations no matter how irrelevant or useless .

 

carry on.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, BestB said:

Oh I see now. Because it’s Israel then your previous positions no longer apply????And a new set of rules is applied backed up by a few dozen explanations no matter how irrelevant or useless .

 

carry on.

No, my reasoning has not changed.

 

I’ve explained very clearly my views and I have been very clear that I do hold or express a view that Israeli Troops acted illegally.

 

Quite the contrary, I assume they acted legally and with good cause and that having done so have nothing to fear from an open and transparent inquest into the killing of this man by Israeli forces.

 

Carry on!