America's image worsens under Trump

[timendres]

My vote was an "anti-Hillary" vote, not a "pro-Trump" vote. I believe that, had the Democrats run any viable candidate other than Hillary, they would have won the White House.

 

However, once Trump was in office, he did have real potential. He still does have potential. But his ego has been his worst enemy. He needs to focus, rein in that ego, stop running his mouth, and execute his vision over the next two (likely to be his last) years. I am hoping he accomplishes some things worthy of mention.

 

And classifying his followers as moronic, racist, bigots is not really fair. Of course, those do exist, but they are not the majority. What you have is a large section of the US who believe the Federal government has gone off the rails, and they are praying for some leadership. When compared to Hillary, Trump looked like the Messiah. And this is the problem. The US has not provided the American people with any real leadership to elect in ages. The parties are failing the people by not offering them real leadership to elect.

 

But many posters are right about one thing. Americans, in general, need to grow up. We have gotten weak minded and weak in the spine over the past 30 years. You can't bitch and moan about losing jobs to China, then turn around and complain when you have to pay more for American made products, or tariffed imports. You can't beg the government to spend trillions you don't have to manifest some dreamworld that will never exist, then complain about the mountain of debt created. You can't sit around ignoring the political process while you play XBox, then complain that you have no good choices on election day. You can't complain about politicians playing politics in the media, when you turn around and consume that very content with the fixation of a dog in heat. The days of the US standing head and shoulders above the rest of the world, while sitting on our collective @$$es, are gone. It is time we get back to work. And that work should start with adhering to the concept that made us great to begin with - individual freedom. We need to lead by example - by electing good, responsible leadership, by minding our own house and playing by the same rules we demand everyone else observe, by promoting freedom in other countries but not imposing it, and by ending our manipulation of governments and economies around the world. Respect is earned, and we need to start earning it again. That's not on Trump. That is on US.

[riclag]

13 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

I know that America was not the one getting screwed with NAFTA, but with someone like Trump,  that must be what he believes and I guess some people believe every word he says. Ugly American has nothing to do with looks but does speak of character etc.

Don't know what country your from ,I believe him on the old NAFTA . I lost my trucking job and so did many members of the largest union in the USA,the Teamsters Union, Google-"why teamsters lost big time to nafta".More restrictions on USA intermodal trucking operations  as opposed to very little for Canadian and Mexican .

It wasn't just trucking jobs either.Many manufacturing jobs where lost to  global outsourcing. I voted Democrat  all my life until PT came along with his agenda ,America First.

   I'm not happy that most of Europe hates America because of PT. I suspect that many,not all hated America before PT.

I seen a chance for a non politician billionaire to make a difference! I gave up on politicians expecting everything but never delivering. I heard him talk about  those  vacant factories at his rallies ,where many of the companies went out of business or moved,it was so true.

 I suppose I'll be voting for him or someone like him  that echo's ,to keep America Great! 

Edited October 2, 2018 by riclag

[anon7867763]

I'll give him nul points, he's a psycho maniac feeding his own ego. America deserves better.

Edited October 2, 2018 by johnsnapo
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[garyk]

What ever anyone says about Trump. The fact is the stock market is off the charts, the unemployment is very low.

At this point he will be re-elected. So get ready for another 6 years of Trump, if things don't change!

 

[Ulic]

This is only news to Trump and he will never hear it because it will not be reported on FOX.

[Thechook]

America hasn't really had a good image anyway.  I actually like Trump and Australia could do with a good strong leader like him.

[Spidey]

8 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

is there some reason that Thaivisa only posts anti American stories like this constantly?  all anti President Trump and anti America bashing and HATRED 24/7.

 

There are Americans on this forum. How about if Thaivisa bashed the UK 24/7 and give the USA a break.

 

 

When Trump announced his intention to run, I predicted that, if elected, he would be comedy gold, the World's comedians were rooting for him. I too wanted him to win, we all need a good laugh.

 

Initially, that proved to be the case, who can forget the 3 debates with Hilary, the second debate was the best when he staggered on stage, clearly having imbibed too much white powder, pacing up and down, constantly snuffling and having a serious case of verbal diarrhoea. The SNL sketches were pure comedy gold, some of the best comedy ever to come out of the US. The world roared with laughter.

 

Unfortunately, once elected, everything changed. His first task was to undo everything that Obama had done. Not to make America great again but because he had a massive inferiority complex towards Obama after Obama's speech where he ridiculed Trump over his failed birther campaign. Pure vitriol and jealousy.

 

Then he turned his attentions to the World's great institutions, UN, NATO, EU. They proved a challenge to his supreme leadership and he set out to destroy them. The World's view of him changed from comedian to egotistical maniac who posed a serious threat to World peace and order. How could any sane person have elected this nut job? A question that most of the World is still searching for an answer to.

 

On TVF, he and his supporters are constantly vilified. What do you expect? For us to say what smart people the Americans are for electing such a great president? I haven't posted on here for long, but I'm sure that some of the senior posters on here will tell you that there was no such anti American bias when Obama was President and Trump was just a game show host. If it weren't for the effects of Trump, I would suggest that this forum has a pro American, pro Israeli bias. The majority of the more active mods seem to be American. I would say that more Americans posted on here than any other single nationality.

 

I seem to agree with you NCC1701A (crap forum name 555) on most things that you post about, I usually "like" your posts but as a Trump supporter, not so much.

[unamazedloso]

Everyone i speak with think trump is doing or atleast is wanting to do what all others have failed to do or too scared to and he should be given a chance. The image is tarnished because of the constant garbage he has to deal with from stupid whores coming out of the woodwork to simpleton news reporters. The president is human to so let him make the US filthy rich again for the good of the world.

[EVENKEEL]

The big, bad USA isn't picking up the tab for the rest of the world anymore, boohoo. 

[Scott]

Off-topic post reported and removed.  

 

[LennyW]

17 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The big, bad USA isn't picking up the tab for the rest of the world anymore, boohoo. 

That hit's the nail on the head!

[Spidey]

30 minutes ago, LennyW said:

That hit's the nail on the head!

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/donald-trump-youve-been-trumped-too-anthony-baxter-golf-aberdeenshire-documentary-mollie-michael-a7383311.html

 

This is how Trump treated people who are Scottish by birth.

 

This is why many 1000's of Scots signed a petition to ban Trump from Scotland.

 

"Scottish by birth", "A Highlander by the grace of God". Don't make me laugh.

 

 http://bright-green.org/2016/11/05/21-acts-of-defiance-scottish-peoples-10-year-war-against-trump-and-the-politicans-who-backed-him/

 

Watch the full documentary here and learn of the true nature of Scots and the true nature of Donald Trump.

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2018 by Spidey

[LennyW]

13 minutes ago, Spidey said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/donald-trump-youve-been-trumped-too-anthony-baxter-golf-aberdeenshire-documentary-mollie-michael-a7383311.html

 

This is how Trump treated people who are Scottish by birth.

 

This is why many 1000's of Scots signed a petition to ban Trump from Scotland.

 

"Scottish by birth", "A Highlander by the grace of God". Don't make me laugh.

 

 http://bright-green.org/2016/11/05/21-acts-of-defiance-scottish-peoples-10-year-war-against-trump-and-the-politicans-who-backed-him/

 

 

Nope, not even close, nothing more than media frenzy....i lived in that very area and followed it closely every day, some of the crap they made up was laughable.......but clearly the gullible believe such nonsense....same then , same now!!!

[NaamGin]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Posting facts about how "trump" has massively degraded the image of the USA in the world is entirely legitimate and something Americans should learn about if they didn't already know.

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Just like the media glossed over the continuous crimes of Trump's predecessors going back to GHWB.  

 

You know you are over the target when you are taking flak. These people do not want the truth revealed to the people as to just how corrupt they were. It doesn't fit the narrative being fed to the MSM in their 4:00am call every day and with most people getting their "news" from the MSM and social media, what is the point. 

 

[Spidey]

3 minutes ago, LennyW said:

Nope, not even close, nothing more than media frenzy....i lived in that very area and followed it closely every day, some of the crap they made up was laughable.......but clearly the gullible believe such nonsense....same then , same now!!!

 

How many jobs did he promise to create in your community? - 6000.

 

How many jobs did he actually create? - 150.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/trump-fails-to-create-promised-jobs-and-investment-in-scotland-locals-say-a6801466.html

 

"According to documents from UK public database Companies House, the Menie estate golf course has made multi-million pound losses over the last three years. The estate made a loss of £1.3 million in 2014, a loss of £1.8 million in 2013 and a further loss of £1.7 million in 2012. "

 

Great businessman!

[Hummin]

9 hours ago, rtr4 said:

Same can be said about Cnn which totally lost the credibility in my eyes by staging their reports and also heavily biased just opposite to Fox

 

 

The president has long sold himself as a self-made billionaire, but a Times investigation found that he received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire, much of it through tax dodges in the 1990s.

By DAVID BARSTOW, SUSANNE CRAIG and RUSS BUETTNER

Oct. 2, 2018

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

[mauGR1]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

The big, bad USA isn't picking up the tab for the rest of the world anymore, boohoo. 

There must be something to gain in picking up the tab, don't you think ?

USA has no interest in isolating itself.

It takes 2 to tango.

[Spidey]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

The president has long sold himself as a self-made billionaire, but a Times investigation found that he received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire, much of it through tax dodges in the 1990s.

By DAVID BARSTOW, SUSANNE CRAIG and RUSS BUETTNER

Oct. 2, 2018

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

 

It's also said that if he'd conservatively invested that money and sat back and watched it grow, he'd be worth far more than he is today.

 

Yea, great businessman. <Deleted> genius!

Edited October 3, 2018 by Spidey

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

 

It's also said that if he'd conservatively invested that money and sat back and watched it grow, he'd be worth far more than he is today.

 

Yea, great businessman.

Those of us who have been here long enough, have seen stock marked sky rocketing, for then collaps. Sky rocketing stock marked is not positiv trend if you ask me. A healthy stock marked increase little by little every year, adjust itself and continue after some few ups and downs, and not on false prejictions on values that is not real. 

[Spidey]

Just now, Hummin said:

Those of us who have been here long enough, have seen stock marked sky rocketing, for then collaps. Sky rocketing stock marked is not positiv trend if you ask me. A healthy stock marked increase little by little every year, adjust itself and continue after some few ups and downs, and not on false prejictions on values that is not real. 

Also, the stock market showed record rises under Obama. If you follow the trend over a 5 year priod, the rise in the stock market has slowed under Trump. He's just taking credit for Obama's legacy.

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Those of us who have been here long enough, have seen stock marked sky rocketing, for then collaps. Sky rocketing stock marked is not positiv trend if you ask me. A healthy stock marked increase little by little every year, adjust itself and continue after some few ups and downs, and not on false prejictions on values that is not real. 

It should be pointed out that much of the increase in stocks' value was not based on the strength of the economy but on the huge tax reductions given to corporations in the expecations that big stock buybacks would follow at inflated prices. And this is exactly what happened. Remember when the supporters of the tax bill argued that the decreases would boosts investment? Didn't happen. Most of the money went to stock buybacks.

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Also, the stock market showed record rises under Obama. If you follow the trend over a 5 year priod, the rise in the stock market has slowed under Trump. He's just taking credit for Obama's legacy.

I won't say that's a certainty, but it's quite a possibility.

[EVENKEEL]

15 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

There must be something to gain in picking up the tab, don't you think ?

USA has no interest in isolating itself.

It takes 2 to tango.

It usually includes an inflated Bar Tab, Thank You US tax payer.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

It usually includes an inflated Bar Tab, Thank You US tax payer.

We are paying ridiculous taxes in Europe too, to support failing industries and military budgets.

US are not unique in that.

[EVENKEEL]

12 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Also, the stock market showed record rises under Obama. If you follow the trend over a 5 year priod, the rise in the stock market has slowed under Trump. He's just taking credit for Obama's legacy.

If you start from the bottom of the recession, after dumping tons of money into the economy Obama had a nice rise vs. Trump with fantastic numbers during only a 2 yr period.

 

When will you stop giving Obama credit?

[Spidey]

Just now, mauGR1 said:

We are paying ridiculous taxes in Europe too, to support failing industries and military budgets.

US are not unique in that.

 

The UK support for the US in Iraq and Afghanistan, cost the UK billions and the lives of many British soldiers (some at the hands of US "crack" troops).

 

What thanks did we get for that?

[EVENKEEL]

4 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

We are paying ridiculous taxes in Europe too, to support failing industries and military budgets.

US are not unique in that.

Most of the Socialist countries have been doing so for a very long time. Now Trump is trying to break the habit of buying rounds of drinks for the free-loaders.

[Spidey]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

Most of the Socialist countries have been doing so for a very long time. Now Trump is trying to break the habit of buying rounds of drinks for the free-loaders.

The UK is not a socialist country and America has never "bought us rounds of drinks". Quite the opposite.

[InsertNameHere]

On 10/2/2018 at 7:42 AM, irwinfc said:

why single out trump? ALL Americans are to blame for their worsening image. 

 

The only comment on here with some insight lol 

[EVENKEEL]

Didn't mean to imply the UK is or was. Through out the world we're joined at the hip with the fighting. Like it or not we're buddies.